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Amoran Kalamanira Kol
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"Because no one was specific."

I said nothing so far , but here it is : in this game everything more then touch on shoulder / head with no weapon ... it should not exist.
There are other chats that are more private then this.

Amoran: consider that this game really gives a lot of liberty, as in other games, all the parties involved in "discussions" with sexual conotations would have had the IP banned from the very first notice no questions asked.


oh well, i guess that I was specific enough

Please do not reply to me as I will not read this topic again , it makes me sick just thinking of it

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That would be a bit to harsh. A kiss to cheek or forehead has nothing sexualy in it. Nor has a kiss on the hand for example. Or holding hands.
There are many chars around with "romantic" releationships and as long they are romantic about it, I personaly dont mind at all it adds the depth to the characters. Love can be a very innocent and in its basis is. Besides, if one char can hate another char and therefore can "torture" or hunt etc it (in rp sake) then it is only natural that one char loves another char. Otherway the balance would be disturbed.
If those two chars would go as far as describe how they tear clothes from eachother and further into, well, then I would be bothered.

Look at this way: It is nothing wrong if a child see how his/her parents kisses, hug or hold hands BUT you will most certanly not bring it in the bedroom when... ahem.

Just personal opinion, thank you.

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I was never insane to "catch" you on the wrong foot and use rules against any of you. The explicit content thing is most certenly something you would know when you do it. If its hard for any of you to make a difference what is explicit sexual content and what is not..then i am sorry to say but then its something very wrong with your appreciation system.

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[quote name='Muratus del Mur' date='10 January 2010 - 01:48 AM' timestamp='1263088125' post='52353']
I was never insane to "catch" you on the wrong foot and use rules against any of you. The explicit content thing is most certenly something you would know when you do it. If its hard for any of you to make a difference what is explicit sexual content and what is not..then i am sorry to say but then its something very wrong with your appreciation system.
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With what Muratus del Mur wrote, everything that should be said is already said, I believe.

As for "brutality" mentioned by Phantom Orchid. Well, it is not suitable for kids but they are still allowed to watch for example Terminator or if I go further on even the cartoons these days have brutality in them (and they had it even before with that cat Jerry and the mouse). It is a real-life-wold-wide problem... what is appropriate and what is not. The ones that should realy take care about to what content a kid is exposed are parents and not an online community. But that subject is completly different topic anyhow.

Thank you.

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I won't defend explicit RP, which to me is nothing more than smut - and I would know because I did a [u]lot[/u] of it... but never before I came to MD. I won't say it is "romantic RP" or anything else. It is smut. I regret that it offended some people, and I consider it wrong on my part to have given offense. I think Mur has gone above and beyond the call of duty to create a private room in the MD world, and it is quite clear he has been lenient with things he personally dislikes.

When I came to MD, almost nobody roleplayed and RP was generally ridiculed or treated as burdensome. You, dst, like to say you never roleplay at all. Why you would bother to play a game self-described as an RPG is an interesting question to me, but in my opinion your claim that you do not roleplay completely invalidates you as a judge of what differentiates good roleplay and bad, or of what is roleplay and what is not.

dst, you like to speak of cowards and hypocrites. That is amusing. Put your cards on the table, then. There are people you would like to see banned, so just say so. Don't bother masquerading behind rules and regulations. And remember, if you will, the time when a decided majority of the community wanted to see YOU banned... over matters far more serious to a gaming community than explicit language or bad roleplay. You still bear that stigma, and I, for one, have not forgotten why.

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[Moved to the appropriate topic]

And not to be totally offtopic: why is this topic opened anyway? You're telling me that you have no idea what the difference is? See Tarq? This is pure hypocrisy. Now you have a place where you can do all those stuff. Why complain? Cause you have rules to enter there? Cause you don't have always the key? Or cause you cannot do it whenever you want because this time you might be banned?

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The topic was opened because I have reason to believe that the rule concerning 'sexually explict roleplay' could very well be twisted to get certain people banned.

Do I know the difference? Of course I do, I've been roleplaying for 10 years in just about every way imaginable including Renaissance faires.

But who is to say someone will not waltz in on a random couple and suddenly exclaim that a hug is sexually explict or a kiss is sexually explict?

That is the reason this topic was made, do you need me to make it clearer Dst?

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Common sense is enough, and if you don't have that, like Mur said, there is certainly something wrong in your mushy little fella in your head. No need to argue over a different topic and/or personal dislikes in this thread, if you want to do so, create another thread and deal with your issues in there.

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[quote]Common sense is enough, and if you don't have that, like Mur said, there is certainly something wrong in your mushy little fella in your head. No need to argue over a different topic and/or personal dislikes in this thread, if you want to do so, create another thread and deal with your issues in there.[/quote]

Lazarus, some people don't even have common sense in MD. If they do, they certainly hide it well.

The point is, the rule can be twisted to fit another person's belief on what is "inappropriate." It can be used as a tool to get another person banned and to be honest, I have every reason to believe that some people in the MD community will do just that.

So I ask for someone to be specific, since we are going to be limited in what we can roleplay, on what is considered inappropriate.

Edit: Because Dst deleted her post, I fixed mine.

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I woke up early with the bad mood, and next thing i see after server crash is some ppl still being confused about this rp explicit thing. So here is my answer, again..

- Tarq, you say you did that a lot but never before MD? Thats very interesting for me to understand why, what makes MD different? The lack of rules? its people? Jonn warned me long ago that md is turning into a dating site and i laughed. Its an interesting MD-effect so to say.

- I'm sorry but if common sense is not enough, placing a clear rule for all to read that would detail what kind of fluids or detailed positions and actions are to be considered explicit and forbiden, would be as wrong as the action itself. Imagine you read rules on a site that tell you what kind of sex is forbidden and with examples. That would make you think other forms of sex are allowed and that would make it even more wrong.


- I am _very_ openminded when it comes to a lot of things, thats why you have a room with no memory and not a ip ban (some). If i wanted to make a rule to ban someone, that rule will be explicitly to ban that person :D I have no shame in reinforcing my dictatorship powers over MD, and some of you should have figured that by now. People cant ban one an other (or md would be empty by now), so it will still be me to decide when complains will come.



I feel a certain frustration in this topic, some are upset this is no longer accepted, some are happy they can finaly hunt down others.None of you should be upset or happy about it. Those that do it cant be upset because they were not supposed to be CAUGHT in the first place, and those hunting can't be happy because their opinion about what is wrong in rp does not coincide with mine.

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[quote name='Muratus del Mur' date='10 January 2010 - 01:50 AM' timestamp='1263109829' post='52383']
- Tarq, you say you did that a lot but never before MD? Thats very interesting for me to understand why, what makes MD different? The lack of rules? its people? Jonn warned me long ago that md is turning into a dating site and i laughed.
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I would have to say the people... the women who were my 'partners' encouraged it, by varying degrees. The first one 'showed me the ropes' of it, and I was totally corrupted after that (I don't blame her, though... I was willingly corrupted). Out of respect for their privacy, I won't name these women here in the forum.

I had previously handled this form of RP much, much less explicitly and through different media. I have been a GM of tabletop RPGs almost as long as I could read, and I have run many romance threads (sometimes playing a woman... when you're GMing a tabletop game, you're the whole world except for the player-run characters). I never really got my "kicks" from it, though, because the people involved were friends, many of them married or otherwise attached, and we kept it at a very sort of "respectable" level.

In MD, though, it's always been pure smut, and the women involved have all seemed to enjoy it. Reading the rules and regulations many times over, I DID try to keep it in remote-ish places and tried not to offend people. Again, I'm not trying to justify or excuse what I did, and I am very aware of the fact that you could easily have banned me but did not. I intend to repay your kindness by keeping this sort of thing out of your game.

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I can't help to tell this Tarq...woman are guilty for all bad things man do :D:D:D (for the good things too, but for the point here i will ignore that:P). Don't worry, i have great respect for you Tarq, you are an example for many, but you might be a little..way too influencible by girls, and thats not good, in general i mean.


Indeed i noticed compared to other games that MD has a huge feminine population. Most games are played by 80% guys and 15% woman (where is 5%, guess). In MD, i don't have stats for sure but i believe woman population is HUGE. Not sure what made them register or stay more .. interesting.

I was not blaming anyone. I know a lot of things, trust me. I could point out a few people, ban them, and everything would be solved, untill next time. The private room is something that is NOT fully dedicated to sex. Maybe...maybe...some will actualy use it for something else than sex rp.

Years ago I had in mind something that now maybe will be done. A room, where the people inside have no name, nobody knows who is who..something like Player1 Player2 instead of their names. Chat would be tottaly private, no records. I was thinking it to be called the madhouse, a place where you can say anything, at all, without fearing the other person will use it against you later. Some need to talk, some need to listen. For example i talk with the taxi drivers about stuff i dont talk with friends, because i know that taxidriver will not remember me, will not judge me, will just listen and share an opinion. Its amazing how usefull it is to put my thoughts in order.

I can't wait to explore a bit more the possibilities behind usable items. :D:D I allready have in mind how to create professions!! It can be also used to combine items, like raw materials into something else, or to give you ap,vp,ve, or anything else once a day, ..there are endless options. This feature is as important as the spells, trust me.

Also limited cast spells can be assigned to items, so you could have like magic tomes that will allow you to cast a spell, but once you give away that book you will no longer have it.

I am not sure yet how abusable it is yet.

I think the next kind of item will be something like a healing stone, that will recharge your cretures (ALL)but just once every 4 days or so.

I talk again too much and think of too many things at once , arggg....

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I don't think MD is that bad (yet). I remember playing Puzzle Pirates, which seemed to be marketed mainly at people below 18 and some 'girl' offered herself for one gold coin an hour... if you play the game, without any skills, you still earn ten times that an hour.

I also think these kinds of 'RP' have a snowball effect. Many people wouldn't have thought about roleplaying adult things, but once they see others do it and notice that they like it, why not try them yourself? It is the internet, almost total anonymity.

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Rule no :3454548748787.....9: Explicit sex should not be Rp-ed in any location in MD etc etc etc....

As far as i can remember no other online game( and i have tried a few) allows you to adress your opinions to the creator of the Game. i;m sure he/group of entities is/are in total myst and you don;t know anything about him/them. as you do here. You just accept the rules and play the game if you like it. You don;t start arguing about the meaning of the words in that rule just to stretch it;s meaning or to free you guilty conscience.

So my opinion : this discussion is pointless. If you want to know what Explicit sex means get a dictionary!

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[quote name='Muratus del Mur' date='10 January 2010 - 12:50 PM' timestamp='1263127801' post='52408']
I can't help to tell this Tarq...woman are guilty for all bad things man do :P:D:D (for the good things too, but for the point here i will ignore that:P).
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We are yes. :P

[quote name='Muratus del Mur' date='10 January 2010 - 12:50 PM' timestamp='1263127801' post='52408']
Indeed i noticed compared to other games that MD has a huge feminine population. Most games are played by 80% guys and 15% woman (where is 5%, guess). In MD, i don't have stats for sure but i believe woman population is HUGE. Not sure what made them register or stay more .. interesting.
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The 5% are from 6th planet in 10th galaxy etc. Kidding... Probably 5% are those inbetween.
But personaly I registered because I was eager to try something new and different. I stayed because I like what I see. Thats for short.

[quote name='Muratus del Mur' date='10 January 2010 - 12:50 PM' timestamp='1263127801' post='52408']
Years ago I had in mind something that now maybe will be done. A room, where the people inside have no name, nobody knows who is who..something like Player1 Player2 instead of their names. Chat would be tottaly private, no records. I was thinking it to be called the madhouse, a place where you can say anything, at all, without fearing the other person will use it against you later. Some need to talk, some need to listen. For example i talk with the taxi drivers about stuff i dont talk with friends, because i know that taxidriver will not remember me, will not judge me, will just listen and share an opinion. Its amazing how usefull it is to put my thoughts in order.
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That is a very good idea, in my humble opinion. Maybe that way things could be wented out on that specific place and thus improving the overal mood. Anyhow, I think I would actual use it to rant and thus later play my "wanna-be-good and kind and sweet" char better, ha!...

[quote name='Muratus del Mur' date='10 January 2010 - 12:50 PM' timestamp='1263127801' post='52408']
I can't wait to explore a bit more the possibilities behind usable items. :D:D I allready have in mind how to create professions!! It can be also used to combine items, like raw materials into something else, or to give you ap,vp,ve, or anything else once a day, ..there are endless options. This feature is as important as the spells, trust me.

Also limited cast spells can be assigned to items, so you could have like magic tomes that will allow you to cast a spell, but once you give away that book you will no longer have it.

I am not sure yet how abusable it is yet.

I think the next kind of item will be something like a healing stone, that will recharge your cretures (ALL)but just once every 4 days or so.
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To all this I have to say a YEY! And I will add that majority of people probably stay because you are actualy making changes, talking about your ideas and so on. It shows that you care for the "game" and thus we care also (well, ok, I can not speak for everybody obviously). Think about is as a projection in psychology.

[quote name='Muratus del Mur' date='10 January 2010 - 12:50 PM' timestamp='1263127801' post='52408']
I talk again too much and think of too many things at once , arggg....
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No you dont, and no you dont. (You would have to be a woman for that :rolleyes: )

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The problem as I see it is simply this. We all have different morals and beliefs. In some societies and religions women don't go out in public unless covered head to toe. Yet in MD such restrictions don't exist. To some people the naked form is obscene and pornographic, yet some of the greatest paintings involve nudity and indeed some MD avatars even portray nudity. Its pretty much impossible to define what is sexual behaviour beyond perhaps the actual act itself. Kissing for example was mentioned. Personally I wouldn't find kissing as sexual. Infact people kiss in public in my country all the time. Its not against the law here. Granted it might be in other countries, but it aint here. Holding hands is also done and not against the law, although I believe it is frowned upon if not outright forbidden for a man and woman to do so in public in some countries. Oddly enough its ok for men to do it on the basis that men are just being friends. I guess if you happen to be gay in such a place you have one over on all the hetrosexuals :rolleyes:

Anyway, there is now a place where people can go to be 'intimate' or indeed just go to have a chat privately. You shouldn't automatically assume that people using such a service are using it for anything naughty either.
So can we just drop this topic and move on please? There are plenty of other things we can complain about in RP anyway. Like bad language spammers and people that are immune to everything and the people that can fire lightning bolts from their rear end, not to mention the people that don't like muffins! Seriously, whats up with that?

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A room in which two strangers can talk to each other already exists:

omegle.com

And... yes... most often you'll find people looking for sex. But every once in a while there is someone who honestly wants to talk.

Awi

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[quote name='Firsanthalas' date='10 January 2010 - 02:02 PM' timestamp='1263153767' post='52451']
The problem as I see it is simply this. We all have different morals and beliefs. In some societies and religions women don't go out in public unless covered head to toe. Yet in MD such restrictions don't exist. To some people the naked form is obscene and pornographic, yet some of the greatest paintings involve nudity and indeed some MD avatars even portray nudity. Its pretty much impossible to define what is sexual behaviour beyond perhaps the actual act itself. Kissing for example was mentioned. Personally I wouldn't find kissing as sexual. Infact people kiss in public in my country all the time. Its not against the law here. Granted it might be in other countries, but it aint here. Holding hands is also done and not against the law, although I believe it is frowned upon if not outright forbidden for a man and woman to do so in public in some countries. Oddly enough its ok for men to do it on the basis that men are just being friends. I guess if you happen to be gay in such a place you have one over on all the hetrosexuals :blink:

Anyway, there is now a place where people can go to be 'intimate' or indeed just go to have a chat privately. You shouldn't automatically assume that people using such a service are using it for anything naughty either.
So can we just drop this topic and move on please? There are plenty of other things we can complain about in RP anyway. Like bad language spammers and people that are immune to everything and the people that can fire lightning bolts from their rear end, not to mention the people that don't like muffins! Seriously, whats up with that?
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A major reason why I think that the sexually explict thing got way out of hand is because of the many cultural influences that exist in MD.
For example, I don't find sexual content offensive simply because I find many forms of sex beautiful. I find nudity to be a beautiful thing that displays freedom of an individual and I more often than not do not care if I'm nude in the same room with someone. (Unless it bothers said person.)

You can call me morally damaged or a negative influence if you want, but I do romantic role play, and yes.. it IS role play, and I am not ashamed of it at all, I have no reason to be. I find it to be a beautiful expression of emotion, fictional or otherwise, and it doesn't bother me in the least to do it unless the other person involved takes it a step too far and breaks character. Its sickening when I see two people doing such role play when its very obviously clear that they can't distinguish between what is real and what is not.

I'm going to admit that I've done this kind of role play before in my younger years, but not in a very long time.
I will make an effort to keep it out of the game, because again.. there are many influences in MD and some things, no matter what age, simply offend people. Complications can arise in many different ways from sexual content in general. (The rape fiasco is an example of what happens when another person is deeply offended from this type of thing.)

The subject is sensitive to some, so yes. Agreed, it should have been kept from the game a long time ago, and in many ways I'm glad that it is now, however once again I would be lying if I said I was entirely pleased with the events that lead up to the banning of such role play from MD.

Thats my two cents, we can close the topic now if anyone wants to do it.

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