vanish of ve

[Ary Endleg]

i found interesting thing, part of current personal ve tends to vanish under certain circumstance and i failed to find anything about this
 
recipe for this is roughy as follows: have your creats almost dead, have some amount of personal ve, attack somebody with random rit on 0%, if everything went good your random rit has less than 301 ve, lose the fight, after fight you will notice that some of your personal ve even though it wasnt used in fight disappeared
 
heres info so far
[spoiler]
try 1
926 base p-ve
630 after fight p-ve
296 lost p-ve
in this fight i only had one barren soul alive with 80 ve
 
try 2
580
302
278
barren with 50 ve
 
try 3
2 fully healed barrens so ve was above 301, hence no personal ve (p-ve) change
 
try 4
341
198
143
2 barrens together having 61 ve
[/spoiler]
all battles against same player who had same ritual this part from last battle log would suffice since everything is same except ve amount
 
[spoiler]... Kross Luos WINS!

Creature Experience reward for Ary Endleg - Losing player
No creatures survived the fight for this player, no xp reward

Creature Experience reward for Kross Luos - Winning player
Aramor Warrior recovers 5 Vitality
Hollow Warrior recovers 65 Vitality
Aramor Warrior recovers 5 Vitality
Dark Archer recovers 15 Vitality
Dark Archer recovers 15 Vitality
Aramor Warrior recovers 5 Vitality
No creatures survived the fight for this player, no xp reward
Winner gets won fights counter incremented!
Loser gets humiliated, loss fights counter incremented!
There was no stat bonus in this battle.[/spoiler]

 

as you can see there is no mention of this mysterious disappearence of p-ve and i am unsure but it looks like other player didnt even gained any heat while he should have gained 61 heat and yes he has no honor issues, he has Honor: 4599

 

i just want to know why does that ve vanishes, cause is obviously fight with less than 301 ve which results in loss, but then again that personal ve wasnt asigned into fight since slider was at 0%, and it aint mentioned anywhere that this would happen, why is that? and where the heck that p-ve went? as much as i see other player didnt got any heat

Edited October 28, 2013 by Ary Endleg

[Burns]

If your rit randomizes, your slider setting doesn't matter, because you don't fight with your ritual anymore. The system gives you a randomized ritual, including randomized influence setting.

Look on the 'influences' tab to see how much it assigned for you.

[Ary Endleg]

you are right... it does assign random influence BUT that ve thats allegedly assigned according to randomized influence DOESNT appear in combat. my creature still has same ve he had before fight, 80 or 50 or what ever you can see in my examples above. so p-ve from randomized influence isnt added inside combat. now why is that? bug?

[Ary Endleg]

actually i just tested fight outcome of won fight under such condition, that ve still disappeares even if you win under such condition

 

to me it makes no sense that if influnce gets randomized it takes your ve but doesnt puts it into battle

 

and this time i tested another thing. i used single barren soul with 11 ve put slider on 100% in combat log influence went random BUT all of my p-ve was added to barren which mean 127 so 138 total ve he had. now interesting part :) after combat i had 70 p-ve left. random influence assigned was 45% so thats 57 ve, so i lost wrong amount of ve

 

this is obvious bug, in case like this lets assume my p-ve was like 100k and i use this thing i could feed somebody with 100k heat and after fight still have lets say 50k left. in short one can actually use none existing vital energy (actually the one that shouldnt exist in first place, because it was already used)

 

conclusion: random influence on 301 rule is bugged

[Rophs]

I'm 99% sure about this but I'd like a second opinion.

 

Let's say that your ritual is five level 1 heretic archers set to weaken all at 200/400 ve and your opponent has the same ritual, you have 2000 current ve, and attack at 100%

The archers will each be at 600/400 ve during the entire fight and take no damage, then after the fight the excess ve from the archers will be added back into your ve pool, so you will have a net loss of 1000 ve.

[Kyphis the Bard]

Your ritual would end up having 1K ve, so would be used. Needs to be lower.

[Ary Endleg]

re read my post

 

i said that your ritual must go random because of 301 ve rule, thats first

 

secondly, in your example above your dont lose 1k ve it gets transfered to your archers

 

ok, let me try to re-explain

 

if you have bearly alive creatures and you need to have some amount of p-ve. now you attack somebody (pretty sure that it works the same on defense) and your ritual goes random because of 301 rule. what happens in combat is following your creatures enter fight with c-ve which together is less than 301 ve hence it went all random including slider. according to how much slider went random lets say it went random to 50%, in this case your p-ve would suffer loss of 50%, that ve would vanish, it wouldnt be included inside combat!!! but it should have been. now what happens instead is that if you put slider on 0% no p-ve gets added to creats in combat and if you put slider to 100% all your current p-ve gets added inside combat to your creats.

 

do you get it? my ritual goes random and i set slider to 100% i get fully killed and yet i am still left with some random % of my p-ve while instead i should be at 0

 

bug is that inside combat it uses amount of influence you chose before fight and not the random one it should have been used, but yet it does deduct random % of influence assigned by random ritual from your ve regardless of the fight outcome

 

also i dont have tokens and cause of my beginner stats and my creature choices i cant test how this affects stats and tokens, but my money is that you can control how much stats/tokens are used inside combat with slider even though it should be random influence in case like this

[Dolomich]

do you get it? my ritual goes random and i set slider to 100% i get fully killed and yet i am still left with some random % of my p-ve while instead i should be at 0

 

bug is that inside combat it uses amount of influence you chose before fight and not the random one it should have been used, but yet it does deduct random % of influence assigned by random ritual from your ve regardless of the fight outcome

 

also i dont have tokens and cause of my beginner stats and my creature choices i cant test how this affects stats and tokens, but my money is that you can control how much stats/tokens are used inside combat with slider even though it should be random influence in case like this

 

I'm not sure that I get it, but if you use 100% of your ve, all your regeneration points are added to your crits, right ? So it can explain that you gain back some ve at the end of the fight, even if you lost all before.

 

For the lost ve that you should keep, I don't know...

[Ary Endleg]

if you use 100% and your ritual goes random, see burns post, influence gets randomized, yet in reality it doesnt

it uses how much you set it to, so in this example it uses 100% instead of what should have been random

 

after fight your personal ve is effected by loss of how much influence went random, regardless of what happened in fight

 

regeneration stat has nothing to do with those things because personal ve is in question not creature ve