Auras/Bonuses (Creature Boost, Skill Drain, Vitality Drain, Freeze & Antifreeze) & Tokens: Availability, Order & Opportunity Value

[Tal]

using sw, sharps and lr archer, against eon. gave me a few wins/vics.

and some close call losses.

at first glance sw seems to be working good enough with some rit building/tweaking to grab a victory.

[Ary Endleg]

Can you tell us how does SW aura work with creatboosts? Any synergy?

[Tal]

from memory

 

1sw, 1 imp, 3 sharp, 1 lr archer.

against eon's

2 rein, 3 anni imps, 1aramor

 

both at 100% I killed his rit.

 

lr archer did 3M damage, my other crits did around 130k damage.

seems it stole quite a bit of stats which in turn got boosted.

 

only thing I don't know if eons boosted aramor stats get stolen too.

if so, a boosted crit can actually work against you against a sw/ts in defence

 

edited:changed imp to aramor.

thank you for the pointing out the mistake eon.

Edited October 11, 2014 by Tal

[powle]

if he was the defender then his boost aura should get applied after your auras.

[Tal]

I know.

Ill test later if boosted stats can get stolen too.

[powle]

also you could test if the amount of stats you steal gets lower if (at least some of) your boosts get aplied before skilvampire aura

[Tal]

made some edits to my prior post.

 

@powle.

if you provide the crits with different amount of initiative boosting tokens.

so to make sure my sw/ts is a bit faster then some of the boosting crits, and some of the boosting crits are faster then the sw/ts

I can test it.

otherwise, slim chance of me testing it out.

[powle]

well it would be enough if you could make sure that the first time sw/ts aura goes first and the second time it goes last. if the difference in the amount of stats you steal is really big then it means that boosts increase creature stats imediately and thus make skillvampire steal much less (this is what would make sense to me, but things don't allways work like i would suspect). if it is true it means you have to give special attention to the order of auras when you try to use skillwamp in combination with boosts.

[Ary Endleg]

Testing shows that auras go in order of creature with lowest ID. Same thing happens when two or more creatures have same initiative value, the creature with lower ID goes first.

[powle]

interesting :) i never suspected ID to be of any importance in a fight

[Tal]

so we just need to find a ts/sw that has an id lower, between and a higher id then the boosting crits.

[Ary Endleg]

 

If the TS' boost is solely based on the absolute difference between the relevant stats in the appropriate slots, the effect should decrease with each boost, as the gap diminishes, making it so that TS cannot ever bring your stats above your opponent's. As they are irreconcilable, which of the aforementioned and the quoted are true?

 

There you have it black on white.

 

[spoiler]Tormented Soul: skillvampire
skillvampire boosts allied creatures by 45.5 attack;28.25 defence;16.5 initiative;16 regeneration;40.5 energeticimmun;18 tradesense;28.5 briskness;28 power;16.5 luck;1.5 herbalism;3 waterhandling;-28.5 volition;
Tormented Soul: skillvampire
skillvampire boosts allied creatures by 34.75 attack;21.75 defence;13.25 initiative;12.5 regeneration;31.5 energeticimmun;13.5 tradesense;22.5 briskness;21 power;13.5 luck;1.5 herbalism;3 waterhandling;-21 volition;[/spoiler]

Edited October 12, 2014 by Ary Endleg

[Azthor]

Skill Drain: whether the TS or the SW variants, it is only circumstantially useful if your ritual's attack template (target and ability) have some advantage over your opponent's. In most real situations, that means having an overall inferior ritual with some measure of chance of defeating your opponent's, based on your creature's comparative VE and which creatures are frozen, as well as in what order.

 

Vitality Drain: the same as Skill Drain on the account of VE and Freezing. According to Burn's, furthermore, Vitality Drain is unable to make a meaningful difference against a properly arranged angien ritual. More useful in short (alliance) fights than otherwise.

 

Creature Boosts: could be potentially readjusted, though, again, from Tal's tests, the numbers seem to be relatively in tandem. The more valuable creatures are not properly superior in damage, but rather, superior in having other special abilities, or allowing for more slots to be occupied with those creatures that have the aforementioned abilities. Applies after tokens. Information on order relative to other auras pending.

 

Aura order: pending information on order for multiple auras coming from a single creature. Otherwise, it is believed the creatures trigger their auras in the order of their ID, with the older ones doing so first.

 

Token order: pending information on internal order. Otherwise, they take place before auras.

 

Initiative order: as per the creatures' respective initiative values, unless the values are tied. In that scenario, they act based on their ID, with the oldest creatures acting first.

 

Antifreeze & Blooddrop2 tokens: allegedly currently non-functional, as they apply before Freezing takes place. If Freezing remain as they are, were they functional, they'd radically alter combat in favor of tokens.

 

Please, check the veracity of the above statements, bringing up new information where relevant. If it would incur into a spoiler, merely note the relevant information is imprecise, and that to explain why so would be a spoiler.

 

Of note to this thread: http://magicduel.invisionzone.com/topic/7142-combat-balance/ (read the entire thread, not just the opening post).

 

On the account of Freezing, which, it has been demonstrated, impacts all of the above, refer to: http://magicduel.invisionzone.com/topic/15763-reducing-the-power-of-freezes/.

 

All opening posts have been updated.

Edited November 1, 2014 by Azthor

[Ary Endleg]

Vitality Drain: the same as Skill Drain on the account of VE and Freezing. According to Burn's, furthermore, Vitality Drain is unable to make a meaningful difference against a properly arranged angien ritual. More useful in short (alliance) fights than otherwise.

 

I think this is fine as it is, even if it can't make "meaningful" difference, this aura has it's value elsewhere. Mainly in heat dropping as well as controlling your balance.

 

On the side note about tokens, I've noticed a few more tokens doing something "additional" than what they are described to do.