Creature Id Poker

[Fyrd Argentus]

Creature-ID Poker

This is a gambling game where you challenge other players to come up with winning poker hands from their creature ID's.

To play:
1. Identify yourself in your public log as a CID Poker player.
2. Find another player you think you might beat.
3. Challenge them, and get agreement on terms
-- What stakes? ("For honor", 1 SC, a bird, whatever)
-- Exclusions (Known champions, for instance)
4. The Play:
-- Challenger reveals a "hand" of 5 digits from one creature ID first.
-- Defender concedes or reveals a better "hand".
-- Challenger may reveal an even better "hand" and so forth until one party concedes.
5. Loser pays off the winner with agreed wage
-- Be prepared to prove you have the ID you claim if challenged
-- Fraud is punishable per game rules
-- Cheaters also risk public humiliation and a bad rep that will haunt them forever.
6. The hands, from best to worst are:
-- 5 of a kind
-- 4 of a kind
-- Full House (three of one kind, two of another)
[b]-- Straight (run of 5)[/b] <--- CHANGE!
-- 3 of a kind
-- Two Pair
-- Pair
-- Highest Card (note 0 represents a "10" and is high).
7. Reputation – I fully expect it to get around who has winning combinations. These should be posted in this thread, so that they may be excluded either explicitly, or by saying "nothing already posted".

Edited August 10, 2010 by Fyrd Argentus

[apophys]

Could you explain what exactly constitutes a straight flush? From what I understand, 680921 would be one, by having 89012 in it. (I do not have this creature; it's just an example)

[Fyrd Argentus]

In cards, a straight-flush is a run of numbers with the same suit (e.g., 3 thru 7 of hearts). I have not calculated the odds for CID Poker, so if this catches on, and we learn more, we might have to redefine the hands and call it just a regular straight (with value less than 4-of-a-kind).

Examples: ID 680921 would not be a straight-flush. Rearranged it would be 1-2-6-8-9-10 which is NOT a run of 5 numbers. This would just be "10 high". Zero is strictly a 10, and does not come before 1.

With 650234 you could make a straight-flush, that being 2-3-4-5-6 and discard the 10.

Edited August 9, 2010 by Fyrd Argentus

[Grido]

I don't think i intend to play this but just to clarify for others;

is 0 high, but 1 low? because in theory the lower the number the better value it has as it's harder to get, an ID of 11111 for instance is older than an ID of 99999, and so imo should be valued greater, but from what i interpret of what you've said the values (low to high) would currently be; 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0

clarify?

[Nex]

the idea itself could be interesting, but i see a couple of problems (possible solutions provided):

- static "cards". once you have a creature with the highest hand, why should you play anything else? each player calling the kind of creature the other player has to use could work though. but still too static for my gusto...

- no suits. unless you use, say, the first 2 digits (even/even, even/odd, odd/even, odd/odd) to indicate suit, you couldn't get a flush or straight flush. your example would actually be a straight, which is ranked just above three of a kind.

- another reason older creatures would be weaker. if there is no reglementation for it (for example, use only the first 5 digits from left to right) a 5 digit creature would be weaker than a 6+ digit creature.


EDIT: variations could probably make it a bit more interesting. the above would be a kind of 5 card draw... without actual drawing. i don't see how stud variations could work, for lack of face down cards, but maybe you have a nice idea for that.

Edited August 10, 2010 by Nex

[apophys]

I thought the ace can act as a high card or a low card in a straight. I find this to be correct. But on examination of wikipedia, it tells me that the ace does not wrap around in a straight, i.e. cannot be both high card & low card at once.
(I remembered a championship-winning hand mentioned on TV, 5 4 3 2 A straight flush)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poker_hands#Straight

For example, 5 4 3 2 A and A K Q J 10 are valid straights, but 3 2 A K Q is not.

Sometimes a wraparound straight is used as a valid hand, but this is nonstandard.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_standard_poker_hands



I would intuitively think that the 0 is like the ace, acting as a 10 normally, but if needed could act as a 0 instead.

So, for clarification, are you going to use the 0 as exclusively 10 or let it act as a 0 in a straight, like an ace would? (i.e. which ranks do you cut out, Q K A or J Q K?)



I suppose that, to make older creatures better, the nonexistent extra digits could act as a wildcard. (i.e. dark ID 1000 would be a five-of-a-kind)

Edited August 10, 2010 by apophys

[Fyrd Argentus]

I have never heard of Ace low in poker (gin-rummy yes, but not poker). But in this game, a 0 digit is a 10 and only a ten.

Besides, we don't want the straight to be too easy, or it shouldn't beat 4 of a kind. I still worry if that's the case.

Edited August 10, 2010 by Fyrd Argentus

[Fyrd Argentus]

@Grido - Yes, digits represent 1 through 10. I think it would tremendously confuse people to try to reverse. Most of my creatures start with a 6, and as pointed out, the oldest creatures may only have 5 digits. More slots is an unavoidable advantage. I don't think favoring older creatures would be a good thing.... And calling a 1 an ace would exempt it from being in a straight....

@Nex - Once a "killer" card is found, I expect the victims to post that fact here, and future battles with that person reference that card as an "exclusion". But, if you think you can beat that card, you offer to play without the exclusions, and see what the opponent will bet.

In all cases, you don't want to reveal your best cards until you have to. It's sort of like playing "chicken".

Regarding suits - my original treatment is as if there is only 1 suit so every hand would be a flush. Not consistent. Okay, then...

CHANGE: straights are straights, not straight-flushes. (this does undervalue straights vs. true odds, but what the heck... let's follow poker rules here.)

Edited August 10, 2010 by Fyrd Argentus