Mp3

[Burns]

[quote name='Redd' date='27 January 2010 - 06:02 PM' timestamp='1264611731' post='53480']

[color="#FF0000"]First, MP3 is exciting. Everyone has the same exp limit, so they all have the shot to being the top. Tactics determines the strongest. Same goes for MP4.[/color] As the game develops, more tactics are also learned, therefore more opportunity to make stronger MP3 ALTS. Thats why MP3s get stronger.

Second, as Chewy told me the other day, 'some people tries to own the lower MP levels because they think they won't last in MP5'(Or something like that)
Unlike in MP5, having the right crits in MP3 will basically sum up the whole equation of being strong. (This has some SCARY excemptions, though) So [color="#FF0000"]if a person has access to strong crits and thinks he won't survive in MP5 anyway, he settles in the lower MP levels to redeem his and his drach's proud arses.[/color]
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To start with, i want to stress that i have no troubles whatsoever with people creating mp3-alts to see who's better at the min-maxing game AS LONG AS THEY KEEP THAT TO THEMSELVES.
Then, here's the question: if there is no limit, where's the point? the whole cap-thingy has been lead ad absurdum with xp-free wins, and when there is no maximum to get out of it, it's no minmaxing... so, in my opinion, it's not even an interesting game, it's just 'who spends more time at his computer'. But i guess that's up to you to decide.

Access to big creatures? I'd laugh, but it's actually rather making me cry when i hear that kind of things. The concept of the xp-cap is stopping you from getting actually strong creatures on mp3, if you think a rit with three drachorns is the end of the food-chain, why, then you'd probably better stay on mp3, anything else would shatter your illusions.

And just so it doesn't look as though i created that topic for nothing, here's what lady dawn says in response to that:
[quote name='LadyDawn' date='27 January 2010 - 07:52 PM' timestamp='1264618349' post='53486']

[color="#FF0000"]As far GGG thing goes... I am training in there, naturaly. If I wouldnet then my future would be... bleak. [/color]

I do have one good word about GGG training tho... and that is, that even if some of you find it as "easy gaining stats" I still beg you to differ. You need to dedicate yourself to be at that same spot for countless hours, to do countless battles and to have patience to do it considering that it is extra boring. So fine, it is easy to gain stats but at same time it is not. You still need to work hard, maybe even harder, considering the fact that some already benefited from it. [color="#FF0000"]So in order to stay at least slightly competive you need to work your ass off[/color] (sorry for the word).

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Obviously the grinding-elite doesn't manage to keep their tiny competition to themselves, no, they drag every newcomer into it by showing off their strenght and making people think that they need that kind of attack stat to play. Here's a newbie seeing one thing: 'OMG, that grasan attacks all and has 500 attack, i can't ever even think of beating it unless my attack is at least the same'

How is she supposed to know that a grasan with infinte attack gets smacked badly by various strategies? She can't know about them yet, the creatures are almost completely unavailable on mp3, to her, a creature with more attack than VE is simply unbeatable.

And then she goes on to think 'Holy Hell, if that's what i need to play on mp3, what would mp4 be like? How can i ever compete with them? I have to start grinding, too...'

How would she know that mp4+ offers ways to defeat insanely overpowered crits in an instant? Let alone ways that are really easy to walk upon, not some barely thinkable pro-stuff nobody but a few find out about...

So, yeah, i understand your point, you invested a whole lot of time into strategies that would be compeltely useless on mp5, so you won't advance, but don't give people the impression that a lot of attack would be necessary to successfully fight in MD.

Edited January 28, 2010 by Burns

[Redd]

Just to make it clear, I am not a fan of this MP3 owning thing. The only thing I like about MP3 is ritual building. So I won't change my stand on MP3 being an exciting tactics battlefield. Sadly, tokens ruin that thought. I don't mind strong crits, they're not that scary.
Secondly, I write mostly based on observation, so if someone thinks I give wrong info, please do tell.

[quote]Then, here's the question: if there is no limit, where's the point? the whole cap-thingy has been lead ad absurdum with xp-free wins, and when there is no maximum to get out of it, it's no minmaxing[/quote]

Why train stats for months when you can get a token by using 1cred? And your stats are worthless during HC anyway. This is the trend for most MP3 alts.
Personally, stat grinding at MP3 is a total waste of [a lot of] time. It will only lead to frustration.

[quote]it's just 'who spends more time at his computer'.[/quote]

Assuming that my statement about stats and tokens are agrreable, I will add that training principles is not very time consuming. I think that reason is good enough for someone struggling at MP5 to settle at lower MPs.
Actually, setting my statement aside, that might truly be the reason for low leveling. Because they can't beat people like you who spent much more time in front of the computer than them.


BTW, won't all this all be futile if your target audience won't state their side? How will you know if they're even listening? I've seen a lot of tokened MP3 alts, but never heard of even one person defend them. So I do hope they speak up.

[Burns]

If you want to be the best, then why go for beating ants if you could be beating giants?
We get bored of grinding eventually, you know... not much reason to do it from some point onwards...

There'll always be someone who can beat you, whether you are on mp3 or on mp5 is no difference for that.
But there is a difference in whether newcomers notice that everlasting struggle or not.

[Jester]

Once you get to certain level combat becomes mostly luck based, which is annoying to say the least. The aura's in MD are too messed up for there to be much strategy to it. If you really think about it though, is there any reason to go MP5? Torches is based on MP level and doesn't have rewards yet, not to mention hardly any people to fight. You can quest on MP3 and get WP just as easily as MP5, you can role play just the same and if you're strong (or even if you aren't) you can join an alliance. I personally don't see there being much motivation at all.

[Shadowseeker]

Well, there's still the question of grinding effectivity. Surely GGG is one way, but not the best.

That, and that the chapter3 is the biggest reason if you asked me.

[LadyDawn]

Dear sir Burns, the newby that you quoted did not linger in mp3 and has advanced to mp4 some time ago. I did not step my foot at GGG at mp3. Just to get that straight.

So basicaly, I am sorry but your thoughts about how I might think at mp3 are inacurate.

Thank you.

Edited January 29, 2010 by LadyDawn

[Pipstickz]

He's not saying you think a certain way, he's saying any MP3 could think that way.