Aelis

i can confirm that mallos has sent me HUNDREDS of flowers. i have not personally used them yet for a wreath, however, the effort has been a steady practice over the time i was awake

Claim 1: this was part of a larger quote that was mostly sarcasm mixed with talking up Ledah's love for mischief. Perhaps one of my favorite accomplishments, killing Aeoshattr was a targeted message that didn't require language to get the point across. The point was taken immediately, the Necrovions thought they had a monopoly on death, and I showed them that wasn't something they should use lightly. My main point was not actually that they were killing, as I killed as well, rather the manner in which they procured their targets. They were selling their killing power for monetary gain, which I took major issue with, as it in my view results only in indiscriminate/senseless and widespread murder. Ledah had very little to do with the plan if I did tell him about it, actually it was one or two other non caretaker players who I mostly decided to confer with about it, before ultimately requesting Phantasm for a use of his kill tool which he obliged.

Claim 2: My idea was we could transfer the Caretakers into being a Necrovion alliance under her claim to the throne which I have even since the disbanding of Necrovion seen as legitimate, much like how I still see the Caretakers as a legitimate alliance through its own untimely and perhaps just as preposterous disbanding. In doing so we could have opened up the land again, though proven not to be required. I didn't speak much more about this idea than I did in that quote. I would not have been doing that because I want to be a part of necrovion, I much prefer the east or even MDA, but because of the connection the Caretakers has to death which I have seen Necrovion represent more aspects of, including housing the land of the dead within it. Also due to my preference to be altruistic, specially to my friends.
"Caretakers have a love for the end of things. Sometimes the end of things do not come as fast as they would like, so they….hasten things."

Going to reiterate this quote because it has always stuck with me and one of the main reasons I joined the Caretakers, but I see it not so much as we need to cause the end, but that the end is something we fixate on. I was not too long before joining the Caretakers a mortuary driver's assistant, I have brought dead people from their homes and hospitals to the morgue. Reviving the dead is not something I am capable of. This is to say that my idea of what the Caretakers are has never been about life or rebirth or some sort of revival.
Caretakers would be something more like a caregiver for those who are alive and a caretaker for that which isn't. The distinction is that we provide support to people, and provide continuity to everything else. So the "mostly true" part wasn't sarcasm, I do think we shouldn't be going around killing people, causing death, but to preserve it where possible. When it's not possible, we ensure that the status quo, if you will, remains in balance.
Yes my activity has been lacking this year, but this whole year essentially has been less than ideal for me, I didn't have a phone for a period and am currently homeless in a shelter, among some other stuff, so I have much less time to do things this year. So I have to apologize to Mur and Chewett who I have obligations for and anyone else who might've been hoping to see me around.
But overall I see removing an alliance as similar to removing roles or tools from people, that it should be done sparingly with good reason, not just because they are inactive, as often it will just rob the realm of what could have been had they still had the chance to do what they wanted. So I will say now that this is a good chance for us Caretakers to do what we want now instead of doing what we were "meant" to do.

Mallos' post here touches on something very important.

A LLM was used to gather information based on what it has available: text in chat logs, forum posts, item uses, and game technicalities.
While the information it pulled is very impressive, it shows that there are gaps in what it says, and the experience of the players.

We are human players with ideas, thoughts, opinions and creativity. Not just an agglomeration of text in logs, item uses and game technicalities.
I find it very worrying that the involved human players were seemingly not contacted before making such a big decision.

If we are to be reduced to text in chat and game technicalities without being able to explain ourselves and our reasoning before judgement is made, we are not judged as human players.

"Mur has given specific reasons for disbanding the Caretakers: no revivals by its members over the last year, no flowers-for-revival cases, and guild tools being lent outside the alliance. If that account is incomplete, then the missing work should be brought forward. Being active and fulfilling the guild’s purpose are not necessarily the same thing."

The account is definitely lacking. The page says "Revives and kills: the game's own record of every revive and kill item and clickable, all years."
When a wreathe made from flowers is made, that is usable for revives. It is a one time use consumable. If I gave that consumable to someone else, the revive obviously never gets registered to me.

I had gathered thousands of flowers in the past to make the wreathes, all before the marigold flowers revive method was added, which I did talk with Azull some about as he was in the process of adding a new method for reviving, as I was concerned that players could not revive themselves and how tedious the only method other than a permanent revive item was.
The aspect of gathering a byproduct requires that I give the flowers to others in the process. As a result, I have never actually held a revive tool myself even for a moment. I am not a quester, I don't have access to plethoras of wish points, which I would certainly use if I could to obtain a revive tool as it's the main type of tool I want.
So yes, I don't have any revives to my name.


But that is not my main concern, to revive people. Gathering the flowers is something I did because there was an implied goal for the Caretakers to help people revive, though it is not something that has been instructed to us or something we set out as a goal for ourselves. It is something the dead see on their own profile as they are dead to "contact" the Caretakers for how to revive, not for a free resurrect that we are burdened to perform. As for how many times I have been contacted, perhaps none or only a few times, but you wouldn't see how many times and neither would you see how many times I have contacted the dead players.
My concern was with the dying process itself but I will not elaborate that here on this topic as it is better fit elsewhere. But short to say that I gathered the flowers in a period where there were more murders and kill tools available than the periods previous to that, and mostly stopped when the self revive was so efficient that using a wreathe is practically a complete waste, and really only recently has this problem of people being murdered become rampant again.


Short aside, still over one hundred thousand trees set on defense, you can find me idle at the GoE if you need them.

First of all I want to express my utmost sadness and indignation concerning recent events. What could have been a beginning of a new exciting chapter - ended in an unexpected and in my oppinion pointless event of disbanding. I admire how Caretakers stand proud and dignant amidst of it all. That shows me, that badge or no badge - Caretakers are more than alive. They understand that end of things inevitably means new beginning.
As for the new path - I would propose you take a broader look at the concept of caretaking itself. In its broader meaning is caretaking - process of maintaining, managing and securing something. Starting from there you can choose a direction that fits you most. You could for example focus on maintaining of values (material vs immaterial), maintaining of balance in broader sense or some aspect of it. Whatever it is - you have my support.

I have been thinking about a possible direction for the Caretakers, particularly in light of their historical association with death and preservation. Rather than treating these as separate responsibilities, I think they can be brought together through the idea of memory and what remains after loss.
Death in the realm is rarely permanent. People, alliances, even lands may wither only to return many years later. What is lost in the process may therefore be something subtler and more delicate: a role, a relationship, a place, a practice, a memory, or simply the way something once was.
I have proposed a new alliance statement to the Grand Duke and now I would like to make it public and hear from you. I believe this could be a good direction to move beyond the focus on death that has defined much of the Caretakers' identity for so many years.
I would welcome your thoughts, objections and suggestions. Let us see what it stirs.

For historical purposes, I would invite everyone to read what I proposed here when the alliance was without a leader. I dare anyone to say we haven't worked towards what is written here. Do note that the proposal was explicitly titled "A New Path" and was approved.
Then comes someone who only keeps track of changes when it suits them, and chooses to disband everything we have built because of technicalities. They say there were no revivals. I say a land was revived (and not at the click of a button). Since when MagicDuel has become so literal?
I tried to reason and be polite, and what I got in return was the opposite. This is very unfortunate and it certainly says more about the other party than about our merit as Caretakers.

For historical purposes, I would invite everyone to read what I proposed here when the alliance was without a leader. I dare anyone to say we haven't worked towards what is written here. Do note that the proposal was explicitly titled "A New Path" and was approved.
Then comes someone who only keeps track of changes when it suits them, and chooses to disband everything we have built because of technicalities. They say there were no revivals. I say a land was revived (and not at the click of a button). Since when MagicDuel has become so literal?
I tried to reason and be polite, and what I got in return was the opposite. This is very unfortunate and it certainly says more about the other party than about our merit as Caretakers.

I would like to add some historical context.

The Caretakers were founded at a time when the dead mechanic as we know it did not yet exist. The only way to die was during a torch contest, and you would be revived automatically afterwards.

The Caretakers have also never been servants of the dead.
I will quote Phantasms original proposal:
To all great sick and twisted caretakers, life wouldn't be complete without a little death and mayhem. Darkness would be their cloak. Death would be their sword. Fate would be their mind.And
Caretakers have a love for the end of things. Sometimes the end of things do not come as fast as they would like, so they….hasten things.The later in particular being relevant.

If anything, under Aelis the Caretakers have returned to their original purpose and him and the other Caretakers being punished for it is a great injustice.

For historical purposes, I would invite everyone to read what I proposed here when the alliance was without a leader. I dare anyone to say we haven't worked towards what is written here. Do note that the proposal was explicitly titled "A New Path" and was approved.
Then comes someone who only keeps track of changes when it suits them, and chooses to disband everything we have built because of technicalities. They say there were no revivals. I say a land was revived (and not at the click of a button). Since when MagicDuel has become so literal?
I tried to reason and be polite, and what I got in return was the opposite. This is very unfortunate and it certainly says more about the other party than about our merit as Caretakers.

For historical purposes, I would invite everyone to read what I proposed here when the alliance was without a leader. I dare anyone to say we haven't worked towards what is written here. Do note that the proposal was explicitly titled "A New Path" and was approved.
Then comes someone who only keeps track of changes when it suits them, and chooses to disband everything we have built because of technicalities. They say there were no revivals. I say a land was revived (and not at the click of a button). Since when MagicDuel has become so literal?
I tried to reason and be polite, and what I got in return was the opposite. This is very unfortunate and it certainly says more about the other party than about our merit as Caretakers.

For historical purposes, I would invite everyone to read what I proposed here when the alliance was without a leader. I dare anyone to say we haven't worked towards what is written here. Do note that the proposal was explicitly titled "A New Path" and was approved.
Then comes someone who only keeps track of changes when it suits them, and chooses to disband everything we have built because of technicalities. They say there were no revivals. I say a land was revived (and not at the click of a button). Since when MagicDuel has become so literal?
I tried to reason and be polite, and what I got in return was the opposite. This is very unfortunate and it certainly says more about the other party than about our merit as Caretakers.

Was anyone doing much anything in the last year? According to that logic everyone should be disbanded.

For historical purposes, I would invite everyone to read what I proposed here when the alliance was without a leader. I dare anyone to say we haven't worked towards what is written here. Do note that the proposal was explicitly titled "A New Path" and was approved.
Then comes someone who only keeps track of changes when it suits them, and chooses to disband everything we have built because of technicalities. They say there were no revivals. I say a land was revived (and not at the click of a button). Since when MagicDuel has become so literal?
I tried to reason and be polite, and what I got in return was the opposite. This is very unfortunate and it certainly says more about the other party than about our merit as Caretakers.

The Caretakers have been dissolved. There seems little point in letting the tea go cold as well.
Before announcing this gathering, I want to acknowledge those who have spoken in support of the alliance and its members. Thank you for remembering the care you received and the work you witnessed.
I know there is anger and hurt surrounding recent events. An invitation to tea cannot settle those concerns, nor do I ask anyone to set aside legitimate objections. I would simply like to give us an occasion to gather, remember, and decide for ourselves what we carry forward.
You are welcome if:
You were a Caretaker
You received care from us
You witnessed our work
You are inclined to share a table
Bring a memory, an amusing story, or a thought about something worth preserving. Quiet company is equally welcome.
There will be:
No judging of the alliance or its end
No prizes, pledges, or recruitment
No expectation that attendance implies allegiance or position in ongoing disputes
Room for affection, disappointment, and laughter
Compassion for different perspectives
I ask only this:
Leave personal attacks outside. We need not agree to sit together.
Location: Plains of Liberty, Lands of the East
Date and time: 08th November 2026, 19h EET (server time)
To attend: Reply with your availability
The alliance may be gone. We can still put the chairs in a circle.
— Sephirah Caelum
Tea party Log:
Original speech:

I'll kill him for free. Donate the gold to the TKs.

As announced here I will claim the position of leader of the Dead rebellion.
While the other thread talks about the why, here I will explain the how.

Leader of the Dead Rebellion
As leader of the Dead rebellion I will remain dead until justice has been served, and well beyond that. I will claim Berserker's Charge as the headquarter of the rebellion, as it has been my home for many years.

Sharing of flowers and revival
As such I will donate any marigold flowers I have to the dead.
This service is open to anyone who needs it, friend and foe alike. Just like I have never discriminated in the past.
In cases of grave injustice I will ensure instant revival. For this I will work with the Caretakers and others to ensure swift action.
I am still exploring the new Land of the Dead as we speak, but so far it seems that the new revival mechanism is a less sophisticated version of the old one. One of the big issues I see so far is that it severely punishes people who die for the first time while benefitting those who have died before. Therefore I will favour those who have not yet explored the new land when sharing flowers.
Marvolo has been the first to receive this service, I am sure many more will follow.

Protection of the land and its resources
Evidently the tyrant has failed to protect his land. Therefore I shall seek alliances with the other lands to protect it instead. More about this will follow, but be warned that locations might be cursed.

A bounty on the tyrant's head
If Blackshade Rider truly wishes to serve the dead he will be able to do so as one of them. Therefore I will offer 2 gold for anyone who takes his head. While this is not a big sum, this offer will cover the cost of the tool and then some and stands until further notice.


More details will follow in the coming days I thank @Muratus del Mur for offering support to my role in the Dead, even if I do strongly condemn the slander surrounding it. I hope we will be in contact shortly about how to further this new role

Samon was dead on my request, his death was in direct service and help to me. I chose for him to be dead at that moment. His Death was not a counter to his oath.
Your forced revival was the part that was in direct counter to my request and service, and while not intentional i'm sure, you did so without full knowledge or consideration that their might be another reason he was dead at that moment.
As someone that is meant to be a voice of the dead, you did the worst possible thing you could have done, and did not listen.

So over a entire decade what exactly have you even done for the dead? other than be dead?
I find this hilarious considering i have told many time and time again there is no rule of the dead and that there is not meant to bed. Not a single time in game or outside of game have i ever onced claimed i am king of the dead. an i still do not claim such
this is extremely false. Anyone that has shown interest in the dead i have always been more than happy to inform them and help them where needed
this one you speak of when i revived you with one of my tools. you are a necrovion and it is sad you choose to be dead instead of helping the queen you swore an oath to including being part of the TW alliance
no lies have been spread :)
ah you speak of the pit pat me and Syrian had, but i guess you didnt hear that me and her came to an agreement and that i formally apologized to her for my actions when you wanted to call me names and say i was delusional
Ah yes you speak of the voting links giving ap to the dead and the bounties as well. Well if you actually were around when the dead system was being reworked with me, Azull, and fyrd then you would know that they were Originally a way that was suggested use for the dead to get to far away scenes that would otherwise be completely impossible to get to for needed marigold flowers. But again if you spent the time to actually learn how the dead originally worked during those times then you would know this is not an exploit or abuse. it was intended
what exactly has the care takers done for the dead in the past decade? Nothing. They have done more killing than helping the dead unless its someone of their own.
Ledah has done nothing but kill not help the dead
mallos hasnt even bothered to help the dead he just sits idle 90% of the time
Sephirah has done some well roleplay for the dead, but has rarely been seen actually in the dead
You again what excatly have you done for the dead?
Aelis, before the recent invasion you supported i have not once seen you care to help the dead or show interest
Now lashtal i can not say anything bad about helping the dead. though he could not revive he did offer kill contracts to take revenge/ justice against a player who killed you. And he wasnt even a care taker for this period of doing that

Also this part {{{ The one alliance that has truly consistently cared for the dead has been destroyed under slanderous accusations.}}} Again the caretakers have not done really anything for the dead in the past decade and have mainly done more killing than anything. Caretakers.... Pfff more like death bringers

For this part {{{- The meticulously placed marigold flowers have been uprooted and seemingly randomly scattered across a new land.}}} Absoulutly yes they were uprooted and refitted for the dead. I see no issue in this as this was mainly @Muratus del Mur decision . I dont have the power to do that myself

This is sad that you want to make such demands to me and @Muratus del Mur . Mur of all people know how much work and effort and volunteering i have put into the dead. So again i ask what exactly have you truely done for the dead other than be dead? As for Aelis and the caretakers the outcome is of their own doing. maybe you missed the announcement where @Muratus del Mur stated he launched and official investigation. the disband of the caretakers actually had nothing to do with me and was murs decision based on his investigation.

who and when was it ever said they are possessions. I think you may be delusional in thinking this

Samon,
My offer to help you was sincere, and it remains so. Care for the dead should not depend on allegiance to their keeper, and keeping a graveyard does not make its inhabitants anyone’s possessions.
Mur has given specific reasons for disbanding the Caretakers: no revivals by its members over the last year, no flowers-for-revival cases, and guild tools being lent outside the alliance. If that account is incomplete, then the missing work should be brought forward. Being active and fulfilling the guild’s purpose are not necessarily the same thing.
However, I do not agree with Mur that a lack of effort over the past year warrants dissolving the guild. It warrants addressing that failure, setting clear expectations, and giving its members an opportunity to restore its purpose, not necessarily ending it altogether.
As Master Craftsman of the Maker’s Circle, I believe there is value in restoring something that has fallen into disuse. A guild’s history, knowledge, and purpose should weigh in that decision alongside its recent shortcomings. Restoration still requires people willing to do the work, but I would rather see that opportunity offered before the guild is dismantled.
That does not dismiss your accusations against Blackshade. Reviving people does not excuse mistreating them, just as mistreatment by Blackshade would not, by itself, establish that the Caretakers fulfilled their role. These are separate matters, and both deserve answers.
I cannot speak in the name of the realm, nor am I declaring the Maker’s Circle’s allegiance to this rebellion. I speak for myself: the dead deserve care, their wishes deserve respect, and those entrusted with serving them should be accountable for how they do so.
Seigheart
Master Craftsman of the Maker’s Circle

I, Samon, in name of the people of the realm, hereby officially declare an open rebellion of the dead against the tyranny of graveyard keeper Blackshade Rider.
In this post I shall explain the why. Here I will explain what this will mean for the dead in practice.

As many of you know I have spent more time dead than anyone else in this realm. Over the last decade the days I have been alive are few and far between. The dead are more dear to me than anything else in the realm. I have also been the most outspoken opponent to a king in the Dead.
Then why, you might ask, was I there during the protest in the graveyard?
After being appointed graveyard keeper it quickly became clear that Blackshade does fancy himself king of the Dead and does not condone any detractors.

The accusations
A short list of Blackshade Rider's many transgressions in the run up to the protest are:
Countless unprovoked insults to many different people, in particular, but not exclusively, when they showed interest in the Dead.
Involuntary resurrections
Silencing over minor disagreements
Spread lies about his detractors
Threatened the existence of his Necrovion neighbours when they offered cooperation
Shared that he used an exploit to gain more Marigold flowers than he should. This exploit has since been fixed. See: https://magicduel.com/page/Announcement/view/6725
Furthermore Blackshade Rider falsely claimed that he is the only person to care about the dead, despite there being a plethora of people that have been intimately involved with the dead.
First and foremost the Caretakers, especially Aelis, Mallos, Sephirah, Lashtal and, until very recently, Ledah and Myself
Aside from them, whenever I died I would immediately receive offers of help from Syrian, Seigheart, Fang and many others.
And in the past there have been too many more to name all of them.

The protest and its aftermath
Both his behaviour, his violent possessiveness and the appearance of unfair advantages created a lot of anger among the people. So much so that something happening became an inevitability.
This caused 22 people to gather on the day of the protest. Virtually everyone who was awake at the time.
While there were many jokes being made, the sentiment behind the protest was dead serious. My hope was that this would cause some reflection by those who's actions caused this.
The opposite appears true.
In the aftermath:
- The one alliance that has truly consistently cared for the dead has been destroyed under slanderous accusations.
- The meticulously placed marigold flowers have been uprooted and seemingly randomly scattered across a new land.
Not a single shred of self reflection has been shown so far by those who created the situation that led to the protest.

The rebellion
This is why I, in name of the people of realm, see no other option than to start an open rebellion in the Dead until Blackshade Rider has been removed from his position as graveyard keeper and some of the most harmful changes to the dead have been reversed. Finally I demand apologies from both Mur and Blackshade to Aelis and the Caretakers. They have been the most active alliance in MD by far over the past 2 months and I will not stand for this slander.
I will only support Blackshade to retake his position if he shows he can deal respectfully with both the living and the dead and injustice has been rectified.

Praise the shades.
Samon

P.s. While the blame for some of this lays with Mur, there will be plenty of opportunity to discuss that in another thread soon.

No extreme numbers for this one, just pure horror.
A lesson in how to mess up your primordial. Looks like I gotta go all in with this one since there ain't no fixing this mess.

There were some trials and tribulations along the way...
But is this streak devilish enough for The Mark of the Beast?

a single item with over 9000 uses!

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