for those who care about the truth

[Shemhazaj]

So I've stumbled upon a conversation that took place and was made public.

Since the person who had that conversation doesn't want to talk to me in person, (and it already was made public) I believe some words are due here on the forum.

 

anyway, here's what I'm referring to:

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[12/01/14 12:59] Kyphis: (zzzzzz..... I sleep from 13:00:00 ST until 22:00:00 ST.... zzzzzzz)
[12/01/14 23:45] :*Mya Celestia* stomps over to the bar
[12/01/14 23:46] :*Mya Celestia* snatches a mug from the bar and throws it at the wall
[12/01/14 23:54] :Valoryn ducks as soon as he enters the quarters
[12/01/14 23:54] *Mya Celestia*:Shattered Illusions!!! He went to Shattered Illusions!!!
[12/01/14 23:54] :*Mya Celestia* throws another mug
[12/01/14 23:55] Valoryn: *ducks again* That he did...
[12/01/14 23:55] *Mya Celestia*:I didn't want to believe it *she chokes*
[12/01/14 23:56] *Mya Celestia*:I knew in my gut he would that jerk
[12/01/14 23:56] Valoryn: *stands again* Me neither. *hugs Mya* But it happened...
[12/01/14 23:56] *Mya Celestia*: *hugs Val tightly* I feel so betrayed
[12/01/14 23:58] Valoryn:You tell me... *sighs a little* He guided me in my first steps in this realm. I had him as high as a mentor. Now, I don't know what to think anymore...
[12/01/14 23:58] *Mya Celestia*:He
[12/01/14 23:58] *Mya Celestia*:He's essentially gone to the enemy.
[12/01/14 23:59] *Mya Celestia*:He couldn't have hurt us any more than he did joining them
[12/01/14 23:59] Valoryn: *nods* I know.
[13/01/14 00:01] Valoryn:But breaking all the mugs won't change that.
[13/01/14 00:01] *Mya Celestia*:He's lucky I don't have a killing item or he'd be dead
[13/01/14 00:01] *Mya Celestia*:Not that it would matter because his precious dst would just revive him
[13/01/14 00:03] Valoryn: *nods* That wouldn't change anything either.
[13/01/14 00:03] *Mya Celestia*: *sighs* I know. I'm just so angry.
[13/01/14 00:03] *Mya Celestia*:And he'd know just how angry I am
[13/01/14 00:04] Valoryn:I understand.
[13/01/14 00:04] *Mya Celestia*: (now I get how Obiwan felt when Anakin turned)
[13/01/14 00:05] Valoryn:If it makes you feel any better, you can keep throwing mugs at me. (Yes, same here too.)
[13/01/14 00:05] *Mya Celestia*: *shakes her head* It's not your fault.
[13/01/14 00:06] Valoryn: *smiles a little* I know, but sometimes it helps set the feelings that overwhelm us free.
[13/01/14 00:08] *Mya Celestia*:I'm still thinking killing him but I can't do it myself so it wouldn't have the same feeling.
[13/01/14 00:09] Valoryn: *nods in understanding* I don't think it would change anything. Not for the better, at least.
[13/01/14 00:10] *Mya Celestia*:No, it likely wouldn't. *sighs*
[13/01/14 00:11] *Mya Celestia*:Once the emotion burns off, I'll be ok
[13/01/14 00:12] Valoryn: *smiles* I know.
[13/01/14 00:12] *Mya Celestia*:At the moment, I want to beat him with a club until he's a pile of mush.
[13/01/14 00:14] Valoryn:I admit I was feeling the same way when I first saw him with that badge, a few days after our Yule ceremony.
[13/01/14 00:14] Valoryn:Now I pity him. And sometimes, pity is a stronger feeling than anger or hate.
[13/01/14 00:14] *Mya Celestia*:Pity him? Why?
[13/01/14 00:15] Valoryn:Because his roots proved to be weak and frail and that's a very bad thing for someone who calls himself a druid.
[13/01/14 00:19] *Mya Celestia*:He spits on the druids with this
[13/01/14 00:20] Valoryn: *nods* He does.
[13/01/14 00:21] *Mya Celestia*:The coward told me he was stressed out and couldn't handle the pressure in Loreroot any more.
[13/01/14 00:21] *Mya Celestia*:What pressure? I did everything!
[13/01/14 00:22] *Mya Celestia*:Couldn't be leader of the Guardians. Like he did anything there either.
[13/01/14 00:22] Valoryn:That's how I interpreted his words as well (in both the alliance chat and the forum) .
[13/01/14 00:23] *Mya Celestia*: *shakes her head* I should have known....I should have seen this coming long ago.
[13/01/14 00:23] *Mya Celestia*:I knew he was friends with her. He has been for a long time.
[13/01/14 00:24] *Mya Celestia*:Now he's in an alliance that won't care what he does
[13/01/14 00:25] Valoryn:I had a feeling he would leave, since last summer. Pure gut instinct and nothing more. I couldn't have imagined he would have joined them though.
[13/01/14 00:31] *Mya Celestia*: (I have to go make something for supper. thanks for listening)
[13/01/14 00:32] Valoryn: (No problem. I'm going to bed now, since I need to wake up early for work tomorrow, but if you need anything, I'm here.)

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First things first. I resigned from my positions and left Loreroot because of REAL LIFE pressure and tiredness. I don't see how that makes me a coward or a jerk. I simply had no time or will to keep up to date with land issues, votings, events and such.

It's also untrue, that I did nothing as land leader. Loreroot gov tags, Silvan Watch item and tags, negotiations with Council about reviving CoE are just few things I was working on. But that's not important really. As I said that was not the reason I quit. My personal life made it impossible to work further on that and other assignments.

You might wonder why not just resign from leadership and remain part of the land? Voting system is one of such reasons. Inactive (and I already missed some votes) players, especially those with huge land loyalty (over 1100) greatly lower chances of successful vote. Didn't want to drag the land down.

 

With my time limited I still didn't wish to leave MD. Have quite a few friends here, even if some proved to be rather fragile.

With my balance issues and relatively little fighting now I felt it necessary to be in an alliance. There are very few alliances that are neutral to any of the main lands. Without internal structure.

I fail to see how joining such alliance is joining an enemy. I do know that Mya dislikes dst, but personal dislikes are, well, personal.

SI never was hostile towards Loreroot, and even dst personal issues have ended after a deal I made (as a part of Consul work) with her stopped both her and No One's resource depletion.

There are also less important reasons why I chose SI.:

"My mind got absent, troubles from different realm weary me. My illusions have shattered. I shall step down into the shadows and quietly wander the realm"

 

I never was and never will be Loreroot's enemy. Even if you call me names and "pity me".

Leaving Loreroot was not easy to me. All my active time in MD was dedicated to the land. In good and worse times.

But what's really depressing is that people who had issues with my actions didn't even try to talk to me.

And whatever you say, I still am a druid that walks a shaded path.

[Bashaw Steel]

the feeling of betrayal is often mixed with feeling of disappointment

especially when it comes to person to whom we expect alot from..

however, even more often, it has little to do with truth

as that person sometimes "cant" not "want to" keep up with what we expect

 

i say this because i knew shem from before

and while i understand mya and val, their pain of "losing" someone dear to them

its only matter of time before anger pass and more iconic feeling take its place:(

it is good idea to carefully chose words in meantime so you wont feel bad afterwards..

[dst]

Their pain was Shem coming to MY ally. That's it.

[Mya Celestia]

It appears Mya is not allowed to have emotions.  She walked into the awards, saw something that upset her and went home to deal with it. 

 

It was a conversation between Valoryn and Mya.  He was the only one in the realm Mya spoke to about it.  One person outside was who -I- spoke to.  The rest I (or Mya) didn't speak to because I was going to speak to you, as you had asked -after- my mood panel.  This log was -before- you said anything to me.

 

Was it the best?  Of course not, but who thinks well when they are upset.  I don't see how dragging this to the forum will help anything.  I wasn't going to make it public.  Silly me to think it wouldn't end up here.

 

The one I spoke to outside told me to step away for a few days.  I did and came back to this.

 

I'm sorry things got too much for you to handle, Shem.  If I could have fixed your outside world, I would have.  You've been important to me for a long time.  I guess I didn't tell you enough.  I'm more sorry that you felt this was the way to handle it instead of "in person" like you'd said in your message in game.

[Eagle Eye]

No emotion but my heart don't know how it feels

I understand about shem.

Shem is shem you can do anything you want

Sadly to hear misundestanding because we love you

[dst]

So mya is allowed to have feelings but Shemhazaj is not?

Good to know.

 

As for "his precious dst"  you are right. I will protect him as much as i can. The same way I do with all my ally members and all my friends in MD. If you have a problem with that then you need to search some qualified help.

[Eagle Eye]

I love them both

For the best of all go for it

What the best did you feel good

[Nimrodel]

It appears Mya is not allowed to have emotions.  She walked into the awards, saw something that upset her and went home to deal with it. 

Of course Mya can have emotions... But Mya is the face of loreroot. Did you remember that? Mya was also meant to be a loyal friend. Did you remember that? Mya was supposed to carry the title 'Empath of Loreroot'. How did you empathise? Heh. In the end... It became clear that your gut feeling never allowed you to trust Shem. You always thought he did nothing and was worthless when one of the main reasons loreroot stood strong after Firs' departure was Shem's presence amongst a bunch of dunderheads. Shem was a jerk? Mya was a jerk for saying all that about someone who had been loyally serving loreroot all this time. Who was with loreroot ready to support it the most when they were making a joke of themselves everywhere. Hell call me a traitor of you want. One of the main reasons I left loreroot was because i couln't stand the council. Shem stayed back. Mya had the nerve to say he didn't do anything?

There are many more things I can talk about Mya, because before this incident I actually cared for you people. After reading this, I suggest you learn to remember your post and your role. Instead of speaking all that about someone who was loyal and breaking their heart, instead of expecting them to be civil when you were positively barbaric yourself, instead of having two faces, try to live up to your role. As for shem, dst isnt the only friend he has.


all references here have been made to the character Mya Celestia.

anymore discussion i'll keep it private. Edited January 15, 2014 by Nimrodel

[Kyphis the Bard]

(whoops, the downvote on Mya was accidental. Didn't intend on giving any change to rep there)

 

Shem: I'm not exactly a loud voice for Loreroot, and few outside Loreroot would even normally count me as one of them. I don't know you as well as some others do, but I have had many occasion to watch what you do.

 

I count dst as a friend, although I *definitely* don't agree with a lot of the stuff she does. Certainly in the past she has caused a lot of grief to Lorerootians, and she often acts as though she can't stand the groupthink of Loreroot, but I know that while she can be stubborn and self-righteous, she is also usually fair. I see a lot of the squabbles that she gets into with other people, but I don't see it from her side or their side. And I don't let an argument where she was wrong and might have hurt someone or something I care about stop me from defending her when she is in the right.

So I want to congratulate you on your choice of alliance. I remember the sorts of things you have done in the past from within loreroot, and I know that you will continue to do your best for the realm as a whole from your new position.

 

Loreroot has its flaws, as does every land - every person. I am sad, sadder than I can easily express, to see you depart from it; but I am glad, far gladder than I am sad, to see that you are still in the realm.

 

I wish you luck in your new alliance, may you be as effective there as you had been through your long history in Loreroot.

[Shemhazaj]

I started the topic since the conversation log was made public and I felt I needed to comment it.

Mya also explained her point of view (which is understandable, emotions make people act rash)

I believe no further public comments are necessary. I'd like to request mods to close the topic.

thank you.