Myth Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 (edited) Currently, creatures act in order of initiative. If initiative is the same, PHP decides who goes first. Is this second step alright, or should it be changed to something which can be determined, such as slot number, to name one example? Edited September 27, 2015 by Myth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rophs Posted September 27, 2015 Report Share Posted September 27, 2015 In the event of an initiative tie the creatures should be able to act in the following order (creatures with same initiative should follow this order, all others move in initiative order) attacker slot 1 defender slot 1 attacker slot 2 defender slot 2 attacker slot 3 defender slot 3 attacker slot 4 defender slot 4 attacker slot 5 defender slot 5 attacker slot 6 defender slot 6 The attacker's same numbered slot goes first because it makes more sense for the attacker to go first than it does for the defender to go first. Myth 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrian Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 you could also give certain abilities priority over others, so for eg, haoticdamage could be "faster" and be prioritized over damage due to its chaotic and unpredictable nature Myth 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rophs Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 you could also give certain abilities priority over others, so for eg, haoticdamage could be "faster" and be prioritized over damage due to its chaotic and unpredictable nature how do you break a tie between two creatures using haoticdamage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No one Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 Currently, creatures act in order of initiative. If initiative is the same, PHP decides who goes first. Is this second step alright, or should it be changed to something which can be determined, such as slot number, to name one example? I think that someone mentioned that creatures, with identical stats, start in order of their Id meaning that an older creature will start earlier. Can be tested at 0 influence & no tokens with only one type of creatures on both sides and see how they start. That'd be a cool log to see ;) (please attach it if you can do test it)I might be able to join in testing later tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myth Posted September 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 Tests already done. That doesn't happen. The ID order is sporadic at best... I think I have a test log at home with 12 x 0 init creatures. Will check and post it as soon as I can Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrian Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 how do you break a tie between two creatures using haoticdamage? initiative, and then priority to attacker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rophs Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 two attacker creatures are using haoticdamage and have same initiative. what happens? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myth Posted September 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 Well that's rather unfortunate.. looks like I no longer have the actual log. Only notes on it. Here they are: Battle 1 *creatures arranged in ascending ID order Attacker - Asthazar Slot 1 - Barren Soul - ID 842635 Slot 2 - Barren Soul - ID 842636 Slot 3 - Barren Soul - ID 842637 Slot 4 - Water Being I - ID 842638 Slot 5 - Water Being I - ID 842639 Slot 6 - Water Being I - ID 842640 Defender - Sy Slot 1 - Barren Soul - ID 842629 Slot 2 - Barren Soul - ID 842630 Slot 3 - Barren Soul - ID 842631 Slot 4 - Water Being I - ID 842632 Slot 5 - Water Being I - ID 842633 Slot 6 - Water Being I - ID 842634 Action order by Attacker/Defender Slot (AS 1-6 / DS 1-6) AS1 - AS5 - AS4 - AS3 - AS2 - AS6 - DS1 - DS6 - DS5 - DS4 - DS2 - DS3 Action order by ID 842635 - 842639 - 842638 - 842637 - 842636 - 842640 - 842629 - 842634 - 842633 - 842632 - 842630 - 842631 Action order by ID order (1-12) 7 - 11 - 10 - 9 - 8 - 12 - 1 - 6 - 5 - 4 - 2 - 3 Action order by ID order (1-6) for each player 1 - 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 6 - 1 - 6 - 5 - 4 - 2 - 3 Battle 2 *same creatures *defender creatures rearranged in descending ID order Same result. Battle 3 *same creatures *attacker switched with defender *attacker creatures remained in descending ID order *defender creatures rearranged in an order I can't find a word for right now (1-3-5-2-4-6) Attacker - Sy Slot 1 - Water Being I - ID 842634 Slot 2 - Water Being I - ID 842633 Slot 3 - Water Being I - ID 842632 Slot 4 - Barren Soul - ID 842631 Slot 5 - Barren Soul - ID 842630 Slot 6 - Barren Soul - ID 842629 Defender - Asthazar Slot 1 - Barren Soul - ID 842635 Slot 4 - Water Being I - ID 842638 Slot 2 - Barren Soul - ID 842636 Slot 5 - Water Being I - ID 842639 Slot 3 - Barren Soul - ID 842637 Slot 6 - Water Being I - ID 842640 Action order by Attacker/Defender Slot (AS 1-6 / DS 1-6) AS6 - AS2 - AS3 - AS4 - AS5 - AS1 - DS1 - DS6 - DS4 - DS2 - DS3 - DS5 Action order by ID 842629 - 842633 - 842632 - 842631 - 842630 - 842634 - 842635 - 842640 - 842639 - 842638 - 842636 - 842637 Action order by ID order (1-12) 1 - 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 6 - 7 - 12 - 11 - 10 - 8 - 9 Action order by ID order (1-6) for each player 1 - 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 6 - 1 - 6 - 5 - 4 - 2 - 3 Yay! A match! But wait... Battle 4 *different players *different creatures *initiative changed to 12 creatures x 3 *creatures arranged in ascending order (semi for defender) Attacker - Mythrandir Slot 1 - Unholy Priest II - ID 836171 Slot 2 - Unholy Priest II - ID 836172 Slot 3 - Unholy Priest II - ID 836173 Slot 4 - Dark Archer - ID 840124 Slot 5 - Dark Archer - ID 840125 Slot 6 - Heretic Archer II - ID 842036 Defender - Sy Slot 1 - Dark Archer - ID 842290 Slot 2 - Dark Archer - ID 842462 Slot 3 - Dark Archer - ID 842463 Slot 4 - Unholy Priest - ID 823608 Slot 5 - Unholy Priest - ID 823636 Slot 6 - Unholy Priest - ID 823637 Action order by Attacker/Defender Slot (AS 1-6 / DS 1-6) AS1 - AS5 - AS4 - AS3 - AS2 - AS6 - DS4 - DS3 - DS2 - DS1 - DS5 - DS6 Action order by ID 836171 - 840125 - 840124 - 836173 - 836172 - 842036 - 823608 - 842463 - 842462 - 842290 - 823636 - 823637 Action order by ID order (1-12) 4 - 8 - 7 - 6 - 5 - 9 - 1 - 12 - 11 - 10 - 2 - 3 Action order by ID order (1-6) for each player 1 - 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 6 - 1 - 6 - 5 - 4 - 2 - 3 Yay! Another match! [hr] However! That match changes when you distort the number of same initiative cases. For example: 9 x 2 init + 3 x 1 (or 0, can't remember) init. Attacker - (can't remember) Slot 1 - [something=2init] - ID 836171 Slot 2 - [something=2init] - ID 836172 Slot 3 - [something=2init] - ID 836173 Slot 4 - [something=0/1init] - ID 840124 Slot 5 - [something=0/1init] - ID 840125 Slot 6 - [something=0/1init] - ID 842036 Defender - (some alt, can't remember) Slot 1 - [something=2init] - ID 842290 Slot 2 - [something=2init] - ID 842462 Slot 3 - [something=2init] - ID 842463 Slot 4 - [something=2init] - ID 823608 Slot 5 - [something=2init] - ID 823636 Slot 6 - [something=2init] - ID 823637 Action order by Attacker/Defender Slot (AS 1-6 / DS 1-6) AS3 - DS1 - AS1 - AS2 - DS2 - DS3 - DS6 - DS5 - DS4 - AS6 - AS4 - AS5 Action order by ID 841667 - 840222 - 841127 - 841666 - 840221 - 840441 - 840608 - 840607 - 840443 - 842486 - 841317 - 82485 Action order by ID order (1-12) 9 - 1 - 7 - 8 - 2 - 3 - 6 - 5 - 4 - 12 - 10 - 11 Action order by ID order (1-6) for each player 3 - 1 - 2 - 6 - 2 - 3 - 6 - 5 - 3 - 6 - 4 - 5 - basically the slot order above, since they were arranged in ascending ID order - no match with the above 12 x 0 or 12 x 3 init [hr] There isn't much I can determine from these battles. They seem random, although clearly they're not. The ordering mechanism is still a mystery to me. No one 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrian Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 two attacker creatures are using haoticdamage and have same initiative. what happens? initiative, and then priority to attacker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrian Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 edit: im stupid two attacker creatures are using haoticdamage and have same initiative. what happens? prioritize the creature with lowest slot number Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ary Endleg Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 For giving priority based on ability, it would increase coding complexity because current system assumed that players won't have high stats and that creature's own stats would be enough to dictate such plays (read as: 0 init on grasan was assumed it would be enough to make it go last; that's how it's planned slowness is currently implemented). It also wouldn't make any significant impact since it goes after init check anyway, and yet it ain't unique filter. I guess we all agree that creature slot is both logical and best way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Root Admin Chewett Posted October 7, 2015 Root Admin Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 For giving priority based on ability, it would increase coding complexityIv coded worse, MD has worse, lets make a great system and not a compromised one worrying about code complexity :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ary Endleg Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 Indeed but why expand now when current system is still broken, when we are unsure of stability of current system (post fix), when we lack plans and concepts and considerations for said expansion. As I said, if such priority goes after initiative then it has pointless effect in combat from tactical point of view (the same weight/usefulness as knowing the combat action numbers currently is) if it goes before initiative there's a ton of work to do since it would change everything. Current system is good, it just needs those unforeseen holes filled (proper last filter/parameter implemented). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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