Zantek Posted February 8, 2009 Report Posted February 8, 2009 I beilive that Magic or Alchemy [i]could[/i] be possible, having the right ingredients of science but *scratches forehead* I don't really have a theory for that. Wanna prove me wrong? :lol:
Grido Posted February 8, 2009 Report Posted February 8, 2009 the potion area of magic is certainly possible with science, mixing ingredients is both potions and science casting spells and such there's more dispute about, the common agreement i've heard is that with the majority of spells, as everything requires energy, would likely kill you from exhaustion
GgSeverin Posted February 10, 2009 Report Posted February 10, 2009 I know a plant. You make tea from it, drink and you lock your self in toilet for 10 hours. Is a cleaning stomach potion? Is a poison? Bad use of tobaco? I snap my fingers few people are turning their heads toward me. Am I a (ok weak) magician? Oh I'm powerful I can make you read this post!
Zantek Posted February 11, 2009 Author Report Posted February 11, 2009 [quote name='GgSeverin' post='25044' date='Feb 10 2009, 10:41 PM']I know a plant. You make tea from it, drink and you lock your self in toilet for 10 hours. Is a cleaning stomach potion? Is a poison? Bad use of tobaco?[/quote] May you give me te name of this plant?
GgSeverin Posted February 12, 2009 Report Posted February 12, 2009 Magic is secret stuff. My magic can harm the world and I'm not yet so powerful (wise) to make it better. If you come as an aprentice few years maybe I'll learn you that tobaco is not for tea.
Perlesvaus Posted February 13, 2009 Report Posted February 13, 2009 I think this question is too broad...
Zantek Posted February 13, 2009 Author Report Posted February 13, 2009 [quote name='GgSeverin' post='25079' date='Feb 12 2009, 09:45 AM']If you come as an aprentice few years maybe I'll learn you that[u] tobaco is not for tea[/u].[/quote]
Zantek Posted February 22, 2009 Author Report Posted February 22, 2009 [quote name='Perlesvaus' post='25188' date='Feb 13 2009, 09:15 PM']I think this question is too broad...[/quote] Mabye, mabye not- I just wanted to hear your opinions. *whispers* constructive critisizim! :lol:
Burns Posted February 22, 2009 Report Posted February 22, 2009 i don't think that magic is possible, but i think that there are things we fail to understand... like, casting fireballs and stuff, is a bit unlikely, though not totally unimaginable, but you hear of might-be-healers every day... i think there is a magical part of the world that can't be described with equations and rationalism, and is therefore discarded by the 'rational human', but i think doing so is just another part of fearing the unknown... IMO: Harry Potter: good book, but the magic is bullshit, Healing through positive thinking: good book, too, but with magic that actually works^^
Dark Posted February 22, 2009 Report Posted February 22, 2009 Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke, "Profiles of The Future", 1961 (Clarke's third law)
Kragel Posted February 27, 2009 Report Posted February 27, 2009 [quote name='Dark' post='25821' date='Feb 22 2009, 12:21 PM']Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.[/quote] this goes with more than just tech for example if i rub a couple of stones together and create electricity(lightning) is this magic ? or a greater understanding of the properties of the stones than most have ..... or .... is that greater understanding the magic ... people have often argued magic and weather is is good or evil and people have done the same with many secrets through out time.... think back to the dark ages when the "church" took over and burned anything they did not understand were the sciences and information in those materials magic or a higher understanding of natures workings ... example if we were to go back in time say 2000 years and we mixed up some simple black powder would we be practicing magic ? anyone from the time we were in would believe we were even if we tried to explain it to them if they could not honestly understand or worse if only a few could understand then what .... those few would be "witches" too then too think of things that are being uncovered all the time showing they ancient men know far more then we once thought anyway this is my 2c Kragel The Metal Mage
Grido Posted February 27, 2009 Report Posted February 27, 2009 Is Alchemy still considered as magic? Alchemy of course being mixing different things together to get a desired effect, such as ''mixing up some simple black powder'' While it has been in the past, i don't believe it is so much anymore, as mixing things together is referred rather as Chemistry than Alchemy these days. What i perceive to be classed as magic would be things that cannot be accomplished in such a way by other means, it is an extension of the body, energy flowing through you, ready to be defined by your will into the action you want
Kragel Posted February 27, 2009 Report Posted February 27, 2009 thats the point grido baking , cooking chemistry all of it are in some ways magic
Grido Posted February 28, 2009 Report Posted February 28, 2009 but those are not defined by my description of magic as i see it that i put in my previous post, personally i believe that Alchemy has always been a branch away from Magic itself and not one in the same anyway
Dark Posted February 28, 2009 Report Posted February 28, 2009 Actually, Grido, a person who loves the task at hand does indeed pour their personal energies, knowledge and will into their work. A baker doesn't just cook/bake bread, they create something "magic" each time they experience the act. I have always held that a "spell" is just a prayer. No more. No less.
Grido Posted February 28, 2009 Report Posted February 28, 2009 putting your personal energies into something isn't what i mean, as it's not a literal transfer of energy, which is what i mean. my concept of magic would be something along the lines of ''i have 32 units of energy for magic, such an such a spell requires 14 units of energy for the spell..'' not quite like that, but it's easiest to describe it like that and that the energy can perform your will, without anything else needed
Zantek Posted March 2, 2009 Author Report Posted March 2, 2009 [quote name='Grido' post='26025' date='Feb 27 2009, 09:42 PM']Is Alchemy still considered as magic? Alchemy of course being mixing different things together to get a desired effect, such as ''mixing up some simple black powder''[/quote] From what I've heard, Alchemy is breking down a substance, then reforming it into something else. Meh, Full Metal alchemist is an anime anyways
Gridalthea Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 I don't think magic is like how it's shown on TV and movies. According to Aleister Crowley's definition, magic is "the science and art of causing change to occur in conformance with will." It's a very empowering skill, worthy for study.
Atrum Poeta Posted March 2, 2009 Report Posted March 2, 2009 Magic?!?! I will write couple of words, you won't understand it, I'll tell you couple of things, you may believe in them. Maybe you wont know, but if you became a believer then the words spoken will became magic~~~
Root Admin Muratus del Mur Posted March 3, 2009 Root Admin Report Posted March 3, 2009 Magic is not possible or impossible, magic exists, its possible or impossible to understand it or deny it. Before asking yourself if magic its possible i suggest you ask yourself what magic is first of all.
Tzaroth747 Posted March 3, 2009 Report Posted March 3, 2009 I'll define magic as I understand it, but to do that I need to define a few other terms as well: Consciousness: The sum of a person's experience, as rooted in their identity. Willpower: The amount of fortitude and strength of a person's ability to create change in the world. Magic: The act of using one's willpower to create change in consciousness, be it personally, or of other people. With this definition, magic is very real, and can be a mundane day-to-day activity. Telling a good joke and making someone else laugh, could be an act of magic. Remembering a time you were sick, focusing on the feeling of sickness, and recreating it physically in your body is also an act of magic. Concentrating on another person, while holding this sick feeling in yourself, with the aim to infect the person with the sickness, would be an act of black magic. And to the doubters of such a projection actually being possible, I will say here that I've done it. With enough focus and intent, many strange changes in consciousness (and the physical reality that mirrors it) can happen. Willpower is the key to magic, and consciousness is the element that allows it to happen.
SageWoman Posted March 8, 2009 Report Posted March 8, 2009 Why do you science geeks have to think formulas and complex stuff? Magic is all around you. It is in a laugh, the gentle breeze, the look of love in a man and womans eyes. Knowing when to change your route and miss getting caught in bad traffic accidents. THAT is magic. To snap ones fingers and say a few words is EASY. Cause and effect, that is HARD. Magic is a matter of how one thinks and then acts. It can be Light and it can be Dark. It can even be Colorful. Magic is not complicated. It is all in ones mind. Mur knows. The Imagination Principal is a start and as children, we know how to manipulate it. It is as we get older and get told to be sensible and logical that Magic disipates. I believe firmly this is why Mur created Magic Duel. So we all could reclaim the magic lost in our mundane human real life worlds.
Phantom Orchid Posted April 9, 2009 Report Posted April 9, 2009 What is the significance of the mythology of Science, in all its reductionist totality - refusing to acknowledge magic? To discover the consequences all you have to do is take a cold, hard look around you. Blessings, Madame Phantom Orchid
Kragel Posted April 27, 2009 Report Posted April 27, 2009 [s]Natur[/s]al Chem[s]istr[/s]y = Alchemy everything around us is magic what is magic it is everything think of this famous quote "Because of your little faith, For truly I say to you, If you have faith the size of a mustard grain, You will say to that mountain transfer from here to there,' and it will transfer, and nothing will be impossible for you." so think about that for a second with Faith and Belief ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE so why are there ones among you who still have to ask if it is... while still refusing to beleive and simply asking how it is. if you want to define magic first define life, faith, belief, and imagination. if you can not see the magic in all these things then you have no faith and magic will never be accessable but if you can see how a cook, or a metal smith, by combining things they have a better understanding of to make a greater outcome than just the sum of the parts is in every way "magic" (that is the wrong word but its the one we all use) then you will no longer have a need to ask if there is magic but will see how nature, science, and life are magic and only wish to seek the understanding of them. are not man and woman magic creatures every time they give birth in so becoming more than the sum of their parts ? as do all creatures .... anyway again this is only my 2c Kragel The Metal Mage
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