Frosty

I now have a rather sick image in my head

Ohh dear Chewett, i dont think anyone is that stupid

Ohh dear Chewett, i dont think anyone is that stupid

I now have a rather sick image in my head

Just to remind everyone that homophobic comments are not acceptable and can lead to harsh punishments. You are allowed to have your own opinions but we dont want to hear them here.

In addition please try and can keep the swearing the an absolute minimum. There are minors on the board and we would like to keep it relatively clean.

One member has just received a temporary ban for both of these.

Again if you wish to debate these two points, please do so below.

On the subject of cowardice, I think threatening a woman with physical violence is that. I think a guy that is in the military and thinks he is quite buff is even worse.
Infact threatening anyone with physical violence because you feel you are equiped to deliver is not exactly brave in my book. A soldier trains to fight and hopes never to have to. Shame on you, you should know better.

Again, dst, you use the word coward where it does not apply. I am beginning to think that you are indeed the coward. You think it's brave to say what's on your mind? On the internet? Where there are no real repercussions? Think again, you're just some lonely woman sitting at her computer all day with nothing to do but cause trouble.

As for Mods behaving like children? Mods are in a position of authority(how ever little it may be). People in authoritative positions must act like people who are in charge, otherwise, who will respect them and listen to what they say? Out of all the Mods on this forum, I respect Grido the most. By far. Why? He acts like a mature member of our community. I have never seen him loose his temper and post something that he later regretted. And if he has, I didn't read it, or don't remember it.

No, you didn't use bad words. I couldn't care less if you used every curse word known to mankind.
Whether or not it is true, or a lie, what you say sometimes is just plain harassment. You target the same person over and over again, launch at them your very own brand of hatred and then watch with joy as they flip out. You always provoke people. Or you go searching for things people do to give your life meaning.

Anyone with eyes can see that you are a spiteful woman. No one appreciates that.

Btw, thanks for responding to my Report. I knew you would read it and respond.

PS: If you ever have enough gall to prove to me that you are not a coward, please, do so. And I don't mean behind a computer screen where you have absolutely no chance of physical harm. Try doing what I do, and then talk to me about cowardice.

For quite a while now (including today, yes fenrir, I am talking about your report) moderators have been pointed fingers at for expressing their opinions. Since when are we not allowed to say what we think? Since when should we refrain from speaking our minds just because we are mods? Why should we have less freedom then the normal players? Huh?


Did I used bad words? If yes, please provide the print screen or the place where I did that.
Did I say something that is not true? If yes, please come with proofs.
In case you feel like I abused my powers, please BRING proofs!
All you do is whine and accuse and point fingers but NEVER bring proofs! And then you whine some more when you are sent away for the lack of proofs.
You insult mods and then you whine when you are punished. And you scream "mod abuse"!
Get over it people! Play the game, obey the rules and in case you don't want to follow the rules don't be cowards and assume the responsibility!

I shall make a counter claim for harassment, slander, and invasion of privacy.

Good luck dst, I have a real lawyer on my side.

I, dst, am suing fenrir. I am suing him for slander, harassment and threats.

I have sent my petition and part of the print screens already. If necessary, I will post them here also.

But for the moment it is not the case.

I want this thread to be just an announcement. Please don't comment in here. Not now. Since I am directly involved I will not moderate the thread but I will ask the other mods to keep this clean.

Thank you!

[quote name='Chewett' date='12 January 2010 - 06:03 PM' timestamp='1263337387' post='52595']
I purposely didnt post on the forum that we demoted you because i would have thought that would have ruined your reputation more.

But if you dont mind i shall post why we removed you here and now.

Here is the story on that front. Then i shall comment on other such things.

This is directly copied from the post i made in the moderator section about fenrir. With no omissions, the comments made are my own initial ones and are only the first post. I will not post what moderators posted after for it was Chatham House Rules. They can post if they wish to.

[b]Closing topics without reason:[/b]

This is about one specific topic. I received a complaint from a user that Fenrir was moderating his topic unfairly. So i investigated and cleared the topic up. here is what i found in that topic.
After The user bumped the topic, where the last post was around a week old, he posted.

Now i dont believe there was anything wrong, and it was just a plain bump. Considers some users bump topics daily...
Then after a different user asked the question and the person who complained replied he posted:
[u]
[Bumps are just plain spam! Something to which you are so adamantly against. They do not do anything besides reactivate dead topics. If anyone wants your creatures, they can use the search function to find it. Should I bump topics just so people can read them over again?][/u]

I was uneasy with this on multiple levels.
Firstly he was merely answering a question, something about accepting silver or something (since it wasnt stated in the post)
Also, in this section, all the closed topics are finished, which would mean it would likely be forgotten.

Overall, i felt this was just fenrir being a little too officious. But after talking with the user it seems that Fenrir didnt like him because he didnt sell his shade to fenrir.

When i asked his if this was the case fenrir said it was most not and that he didnt want a "alt abusers shade" and then proceeded to rant about how the user was an alt abuser and it was against his morals.
Which made me believe that it was more likely he closed it because he didnt like the user.
[u]
[I like him perfectly fine. I was not annoyed that he wouldn't sell it to me, because my offer was to low compared to Eiggers. I did not "rant" about him abusing alts. Infact, I think I made only one comment about it.][/u]

[b]Reposting Someones WTB offer:[/b]

He reposted someones entire "WTB several crits" post, and even left the title of the post the same. More than that, he also then edited his post when the original user edited his.
To me this is something that is just plain rude and not something a Section Mod should do.

[What? Are you serious? Because I was to lazy to rewrite absolutely everything he wrote? And because my post saying that I wanted the same creatures and to pm me if they didnt like their offer? How is that wrong?]

[b]Thread Hi-jacking:[/b]


As a moderator he has deleted such posts, but here he makes them, I removed it but i dont think that moderators should be hijacking threads when he deletes posts of other people that do that.

[That is another one of your lies with no proof. I rarely ever deleted posts unless it was just spam.]
[u]
[If you wish so badly to have your Mods to have a squeeky clean rep, and not do anything questionable, why is dst still a Mod? She does nothing but attack people.][/u]

[b]MD Auction:[/b]

He removed a tonn of posts from it and then posted under it:


While he has every right to do this, and was probably helping. We all know that any topics that Mur is organising should not be changed in any way. [Was only trying to help keep it clean. I had misread the post Mur later made.]
Removing posts may also be considered an abuse of power as he may have removed posts from people he didnt like (i didnt check before remerging it) [u][That is not true. In anyway. Infact, most of those people I do not know, let alone dislike.][/u]
Mur posted two posts above that he was unsure what to do, whether to delete low bids, or something else. From this i would have hoped he would have left it until Mur had decided. [u][If you look at the time stamps of my deletes, you would see that they occured during/before/ or immediately after.][/u]


As you can see there are the reasons we demoted him, amoung others such as general attutuide[My attitude is a problem...? Again... please look at dst. ], And the investigation into his moderatorship started a couple days *BEFORE* the argument with Dmik in GGG. This investigation was made after several people complained how he was running the section. And i shall just quote one small section of the pm i sent to him.

"If you wish to see a collection of posts and comments on them, you can ask for them, for it is not fair to know what we have judged you on, But i will ofc remove the names, under Chatham House Rules." [u][Sorry, but this was poorly worded and I took it to mean that you would not tell me what they said.][/u]

If you want to discuss this. Then as i told you, there are many ways that you can discuss your demotion. But unless you want to make another topic, your demotion is nothing to do with your problem about dst.

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[b]Now lets look at your post[/b]



What "nuisance" are you referring to? do you mean she does things you dont like? Please be more specific





How little you know. If you knew anything about this issue you would know that both of them are equally to blame. Dst is angry at shoeps so she berates him. shoeps is angry at dst so he swears at her. Please dont assume that because you dont know what happened, means it doesnt matter. You are taking it massively out of context.

And, when was the last time you have seen her bitching about Shoeps? Every couple of weeks? have you even been playing the last few months, Shoeps stopped playing so it seems a miracle that she has been attacking him.
[u]
[Try looking at todays Player Logs. Enough said.][/u]

May i see the list? will you publish it? And again, since you know nothing of Shoeps and dst do not make general comments that show your ignorance of that topic. Find another more apt argument that fits. [u][I actually know quite a bit. As I have had several lengthy chats with Sheops about it.][/u]



Now im getting worried, im probably going to be on her blacklist because i said its half her fault, you know what? i dont care because she is merely one person. I dislike a few poeple in MD, but since its a GAME they cannot do anything to hurt me. And if you are a insulted by her calling you a "coward" then she has won, and you are letting her have her saticfaction. [u][I was being sarcastic, I am sure you can realise that. I don't care if she called me a coward. Its the fact that she has no idea what Bravery is that annoys me.][/u]



oh, i see, you mean this post you made? [u][Yes, exactly.][/u]



It was made on the Topic of what is "sexually explicit". And your post was rude and offtopic. that is why it was deleted. And again, if you had an issue with that, you could have brought it up. Not kept it as "blackmail" material as it seems you have now. [u][How can I bring things up against one of your Mods, when you turn a blind eye to absolutely EVERYTHING THEY DO.] [/u]



i was there fenrir and your ideas were clouded, and it did seem like you were claiming that, So i am not surprised that Dmik thought you were saying that. Although i hoped you weren't. [u][Not even close. Your memory must be going. We weren't even talking about how the holocaust did or did not happen. We were on a TOTALLY DIFFERENT topic. I commented on Dmiks rude outburst about how he would kick my ass if I even claimed that it didn't happen.][/u]



As i have said in the pm i sent you, and i will publish it if you wish to portray that i was not crystal clear that if you didnt understand i could send you infomation if you required it. I also did send you what you asked for, but you didnt even bother replying.

again, i will requote part of the pm i sent you

[b]"If you wish to see a collection of posts and comments on them, you can ask for them, for it is not fair to know what we have judged you on, But i will ofc remove the names, under Chatham House Rules."[/b]

You did not ask for them, so if you were unclear then it was your fautl for not asking for them. [u][Because I realised it would not get anywhere. You had your mind set and you would not see the errors of you ways. Everytime I try convincing you of something, you always dismiss it. You made a mistake.][/u]



And as i said in my pm to you, You can post what you want as long as it complies with the rules, However the lies you have posted need massive corrections.
[/quote]

I purposely didnt post on the forum that we demoted you because i would have thought that would have ruined your reputation more.

But if you dont mind i shall post why we removed you here and now.

Here is the story on that front. Then i shall comment on other such things.

This is directly copied from the post i made in the moderator section about fenrir. With no omissions, the comments made are my own initial ones and are only the first post. I will not post what moderators posted after for it was Chatham House Rules. They can post if they wish to.

[b]Closing topics without reason:[/b]

This is about one specific topic. I received a complaint from a user that Fenrir was moderating his topic unfairly. So i investigated and cleared the topic up. here is what i found in that topic.
After The user bumped the topic, where the last post was around a week old, he posted.
[quote]Please do not spam your own topic.

Use the edit function.[/quote]
Now i dont believe there was anything wrong, and it was just a plain bump. Considers some users bump topics daily...
Then after a different user asked the question and the person who complained replied he posted:
[quote]Stop spamming topics to get them active again. If people want any of your creatures, they will use the Search Function and find all the topics related to that criteria.

I am closing this topic, as it has no need to be open.[/quote]
I was uneasy with this on multiple levels.
Firstly he was merely answering a question, something about accepting silver or something (since it wasnt stated in the post)
Also, in this section, all the closed topics are finished, which would mean it would likely be forgotten.

Overall, i felt this was just fenrir being a little too officious. But after talking with the user it seems that Fenrir didnt like him because he didnt sell his shade to fenrir.
When i asked his if this was the case fenrir said it was most not and that he didnt want a "alt abusers shade" and then proceeded to rant about how the user was an alt abuser and it was against his morals.
Which made me believe that it was more likely he closed it because he didnt like the user.

[b]Reposting Someones WTB offer:[/b]

He reposted someones entire "WTB several crits" post, and even left the title of the post the same. More than that, he also then edited his post when the original user edited his.
To me this is something that is just plain rude and not something a Section Mod should do.

[b]Thread Hi-jacking:[/b]

[quote] I am offering any/all my creatures for the Hidden Creatures as well. If you don't like xxxxx offer. PM me. ;D[/quote]
As a moderator he has deleted such posts, but here he makes them, I removed it but i dont think that moderators should be hijacking threads when he deletes posts of other people that do that.

[b]MD Auction:[/b]

He removed a tonn of posts from it and then posted under it:
[quote]I have gone through the thread and deleted posts with no value(Ie offering to delete your stats for a creature), and I will continue to do so when I see other offers such as 1 silver for the Dark IV.[/quote]

While he has every right to do this, and was probably helping. We all know that any topics that Mur is organising should not be changed in any way.
Removing posts may also be considered an abuse of power as he may have removed posts from people he didnt like (i didnt check before remerging it)
Mur posted two posts above that he was unsure what to do, whether to delete low bids, or something else. From this i would have hoped he would have left it until Mur had decided.


As you can see there are the reasons we demoted him, amoung others such as general attutuide, And the investigation into his moderatorship started a couple days *BEFORE* the argument with Dmik in GGG. This investigation was made after several people complained how he was running the section. And i shall just quote one small section of the pm i sent to him.

"If you wish to see a collection of posts and comments on them, you can ask for them, for it is not fair to know what we have judged you on, But i will ofc remove the names, under Chatham House Rules."

If you want to discuss this. Then as i told you, there are many ways that you can discuss your demotion. But unless you want to make another topic, your demotion is nothing to do with your problem about dst.

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[b]Now lets look at your post[/b]

[quote]For as long as I can remember, dst has been just as much a nuisance to the general MD public as certain other individuals. The names Death Ray, and redneck come to mind. She may not be a nuisance in the same way, but she is still a nuisance none the less. I use the word nuisance as a kind substitute for other words which could be applied.[/quote]

What "nuisance" are you referring to? do you mean she does things you dont like? Please be more specific

[quote]I would like to bring to light her constant hunting of "prey". Those she considers weak, stupid, or different. For no other apparent reason other than for her own self satisfaction that she is better than others. Whether or not she is, is up for debate. Not only does she hunt these "prey" she chomps down on their hind quarters until they can do nothing but limp on for months. If they are so lucky as to be able to walk after the initial attacks, she then sinks her teeth into their throats. For instance, her attacks on Shoeps. I do not care what he did, or why she attacks him constantly, but it is not acceptable to see these instances brought up every few weeks when she can't find another prey to attack. [/quote]

How little you know. If you knew anything about this issue you would know that both of them are equally to blame. Dst is angry at shoeps so she berates him. shoeps is angry at dst so he swears at her. Please dont assume that because you dont know what happened, means it doesnt matter. You are taking it massively out of context.

And, when was the last time you have seen her bitching about Shoeps? Every couple of weeks? have you even been playing the last few months, Shoeps stopped playing so it seems a miracle that she has been attacking him.

[quote]She made it her life's ambition to see his game life ruined, and unfortunately, it appears as if she succeeded. That may or may not be the case, but the fact remains that her goal was to make Shoeps hated by the general population by making a personal conflict public because she could not win otherwise. Again, unacceptable. He is not the only one she constantly harasses. I have a list of people she makes regular attacks against, and it isn't right. [/quote]

May i see the list? will you publish it? And again, since you know nothing of Shoeps and dst do not make general comments that show your ignorance of that topic. Find another more apt argument that fits.

[quote]Her attitude towards anyone that does anything but tread lightly around her is deplorable. If you so much as argue with her, she will call you a coward. If you so much as win, watch out, for you will be put on her "black list". [/quote]

Now im getting worried, im probably going to be on her blacklist because i said its half her fault, you know what? i dont care because she is merely one person. I dislike a few poeple in MD, but since its a GAME they cannot do anything to hurt me. And if you are a insulted by her calling you a "coward" then she has won, and you are letting her have her saticfaction.

[quote]I had recently posted something about her comments of calling an individual a coward on the forum. What happened? She deleted and removed the post because she found it "insulting". As well as threatened to have my warn level increased to the point that I will have a Moderator review everything I post. [/quote]

oh, i see, you mean this post you made?

[quote]Speaking of cowardice, dst. You have the bravery to sit behind your computer in a warm comfy home and call others cowards. Have you ever been fired upon by others who wish you dead? How about fight for your life while several people decide whether or not they should kill you?

You are nothing but a cynical woman. The is another word for it, but I already know you will ban me or something out of anger(like usual). Deal with your problems, stop projecting them onto others.

Oh, and You would not have the testicular fortitude to do any of those things, let alone say that to my face. So basically, keep your yap shut for once.[/quote]

It was made on the Topic of what is "sexually explicit". And your post was rude and offtopic. that is why it was deleted. And again, if you had an issue with that, you could have brought it up. Not kept it as "blackmail" material as it seems you have now.

[quote]I believe dst is once again at hand. The night prior, I was having a heated debate with Dmik King(If forget exactly what the initial topic was about but towards the end Dmik King was claiming I was claiming the Holocaust did not happen... when I wasn't talking about it. Tried clarifying it but he would not listen because he was so angry.) and a few others. [/quote]

i was there fenrir and your ideas were clouded, and it did seem like you were claiming that, So i am not surprised that Dmik thought you were saying that. Although i hoped you weren't.

[quote]And as an attempt to attack me once again, she decided that I was no longer fit to moderate the CTC Section. (I really don't care if I am the CTC Mod or not. It does not bother me.) So, dst and Chewett, notified me several days ago that I was demoted for reasons still unclear. [/quote]

As i have said in the pm i sent you, and i will publish it if you wish to portray that i was not crystal clear that if you didnt understand i could send you infomation if you required it. I also did send you what you asked for, but you didnt even bother replying.

again, i will requote part of the pm i sent you

[b]"If you wish to see a collection of posts and comments on them, you can ask for them, for it is not fair to know what we have judged you on, But i will ofc remove the names, under Chatham House Rules."[/b]

You did not ask for them, so if you were unclear then it was your fautl for not asking for them

[quote]I am here to call dst out. Make a valid arguement. Do not spew insults and insinuations. Make valid arguements as to why you seem fit to do this.

Anyone else is welcome to comment on it, after dst has responded.

[Mods: Please notice that there isnt a single insulting word, swear word, and this is not a heated response to something she did recently. I let a few days pass before I decided to write this so I could write it without being rash.][/quote]

And as i said in my pm to you, You can post what you want as long as it complies with the rules, However the lies you have posted need massive corrections.

Pip, I speak the truth so others may see the truth. To change if need be.

Dst does it out of personal vindication.

I want DST to stand up, and to change. For her to stop this public hunting of others.

No one should be subject to her harassment. It isn't right.

Edit: To those of you who are giving All of these negative remarks? And no reasons given? Do you disagree with what I am saying? Or are you just to immature to see reason?

For as long as I can remember, dst has been just as much a nuisance to the general MD public as certain other individuals. The names Death Ray, and redneck come to mind. She may not be a nuisance in the same way, but she is still a nuisance none the less. I use the word nuisance as a kind substitute for other words which could be applied.

I would like to bring to light her constant hunting of "prey". Those she considers weak, stupid, or different. For no other apparent reason other than for her own self satisfaction that she is better than others. Whether or not she is, is up for debate. Not only does she hunt these "prey" she chomps down on their hind quarters until they can do nothing but limp on for months. If they are so lucky as to be able to walk after the initial attacks, she then sinks her teeth into their throats. For instance, her attacks on Shoeps. I do not care what he did, or why she attacks him constantly, but it is not acceptable to see these instances brought up every few weeks when she can't find another prey to attack.

She made it her life's ambition to see his game life ruined, and unfortunately, it appears as if she succeeded. That may or may not be the case, but the fact remains that her goal was to make Shoeps hated by the general population by making a personal conflict public because she could not win otherwise. Again, unacceptable. He is not the only one she constantly harasses. I have a list of people she makes regular attacks against, and it isn't right.

Her attitude towards anyone that does anything but tread lightly around her is deplorable. If you so much as argue with her, she will call you a coward. If you so much as win, watch out, for you will be put on her "black list".

I had recently posted something about her comments of calling an individual a coward on the forum. What happened? She deleted and removed the post because she found it "insulting". As well as threatened to have my warn level increased to the point that I will have a Moderator review everything I post.

I was also demoted from my job of being a Section Moderator for the CTC Section. The reason being? I closed topics that were inactive, and merging posts without notifying the poster when they were spamming their topic with bumps. Why is this a reason for demotion when I had been faithfully maintaining the most active section in the forum for nearly 8 months?

I believe dst is once again at hand. The night prior, I was having a heated debate with Dmik King(If forget exactly what the initial topic was about but towards the end Dmik King was claiming I was claiming the Holocaust did not happen... when I wasn't talking about it. Tried clarifying it but he would not listen because he was so angry.) and a few others.

Dst intervened and started her usual act of trying to prove herself superior to others. I, in no way, claim that I am better, nor worse. When her arguments were being questioned, she resorted to her childish behavior of name calling and dismissing my questions about her arguement as being "stupid".

And as an attempt to attack me once again, she decided that I was no longer fit to moderate the CTC Section. (I really don't care if I am the CTC Mod or not. It does not bother me.) So, dst and Chewett, notified me several days ago that I was demoted for reasons still unclear.

I am here to call dst out. Make a valid arguement. Do not spew insults and insinuations. Make valid arguements as to why you seem fit to do this.

Anyone else is welcome to comment on it, after dst has responded.

[Mods: Please notice that there isnt a single insulting word, swear word, and this is not a heated response to something she did recently. I let a few days pass before I decided to write this so I could write it without being rash.]