No one

This is for all types of players, and is basicaly a part of the factions system but presented outside of it for now. If the voting goes to NO, it will be left for later when factions will be done, if its YES, it will come sooner and integrated with factions later.

I am thinking of a page where each rpc would have one entry available to enter:

Quest name
short description (250chars)
rewards given
Area where quest giver can be found (not exact location)
Other?...


Maybe a filter on mp level, age, xp, whatever, to display the quest announcement only to players fitting the requirements. Problem with filters is that i want new players to see available quests within their first 3 days, not after month (beginner quests, later to be related to factions)

The permission to announce quests could be granted also via a wishshop feature so that pwr can use it too.

Please also make suggestions, not only votes.
(for example what fields structure you think best, other things that could go well with this possible feature)

Oh c'mon dst, it's pretty simple. Though perhaps you've thought of it and aren't thinking of it as an exploit.

guy, your ideas of exploits are very different from those of the rest of the world...
it's not always an exploit when someone kicks you butt

no one's rules are quite clear, and as long as you play according to the rules, you are not exploiting anything...

just one thing you forgot: include that all rits have to be set just before the fight

Ok, do i think Lightsage should be allowed to return? I would say Yes. While what he did is pretty nasty and dumb on his part (especially the repeat?? Cmon dude!), I believe there must be something the creative community of MD can come up with better than a permanent ban. I'm definately not in favor of his actions, but if you all remember last time he cheated in heads, Mur gave all those affected another shot at heads plus they received the rewards. I just don't feel hurt or affected by his cheating strongly enough to want him gone. He knows alot about MD, and on more than a few occasions has been very helpful. If he would quit abusing his powers, i know he would be an asset to the game and its players.

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wait a moment...

No one, i value your opinion, but i _dearly_ hope that Mur has such proofs and just doesn't want to show them off at the moment, becasue if Light did only gather heads with one account, the ban would be totally unreasonable, and Mur doesn't make such decisions lightly...

i assumed it to be clear that Light used more than one account to play in this contest, and mur took this as reason to ban him, because if Light just uses his accs one after the other to win the contest on fair terms, 'tis absolutely wrong to ban him... seriously, you cant ban people because they are better than the rest O_o
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I don't blame mur or LS, I just say that, as I know , LS is NOT guilty of what he is accused of.

I will discuss with both of them (not only about this) and I will post the result here (yes, even if mur states his opinion).

wait a moment...

No one, i value your opinion, but i _dearly_ hope that Mur has such proofs and just doesn't want to show them off at the moment, becasue if Light did only gather heads with one account, the ban would be totally unreasonable, and Mur doesn't make such decisions lightly...

i assumed it to be clear that Light used more than one account to play in this contest, and mur took this as reason to ban him, because if Light just uses his accs one after the other to win the contest on fair terms, 'tis absolutely wrong to ban him... seriously, you cant ban people because they are better than the rest O_o

Excuse me, but ... I see no facts here. Really.

I know what he wanted to do (win HC).
I know that he didn't wanted to use his main char (just as many other alts won before).
I know that he had a REALLY STRONG policy on not using his alts.

But what I don't know is ... did he gave heads from his main char to the another ?

Really , please explain me what are YOU arguing here ?


What I really don't know is who was pissed on kask winning this HC ? We all know that above this "alt abuse" that we hear more and more , there is another kind of abuse : power (no quotes here).

I know what I know, I know what you say, I know the guy and I play this game for quite a while. So, until I see some real evidence that he helped this kask char with his alt ... I consider him NOT guilty.

PS: the only mistake I see here is that he tried to win HC on MP5 (and not MP3 as other alts).


Anyway, LS, I am with you.

let me put this very simply, and i'd like to point out first that i do like Lightsage, and got on with him whenever we chatted in game

regardless of what he did, Lightsage did something which he had previously been warned about, that if he did again he would get banned, and he did it again, and he got banned

i see no complications in that, no confusion, to me it's very simple, that as much as i liked him, as friendly, nice or helpful he may have been, he should remain banned as that was the punishment that was stated he would recieve before he committed the act

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[font="Verdana"]FACTS:
[list][*]He has cheated in (at least) two previous HC's
[*]He was warned that should he continue along that path, he would get banned.
[*]He (and his alts) got banned/warned due to cheating in this latest HC.
[*]Stopping him from competing in the HC, or removing reward from it would not affect him as he could then just use a different alt.
[*]This punishment is not exclusively for Lightsage, under the same, or similar circumstances, the punishment would be the same.[/list]

The following are personal statements:
[list][*]The statement that "nobody was competing, it needed spicing up" doesn't count for anything, we have HC's every few months in which nobody competes, doesnt mean cheating is needed.
[*]"nobody was harmed" doesn't count for anything. Me robbing a bank is still against the law even if i dont hurt anyone (extreme i know, but the point stands).
[*]Banning all the accounts is perhaps the only thing which might make him realise what he has done on numerous occaisions was wrong.
[*]There is no justification in joining late and cheating because otherwise people would accidently win. Things don't need to be "spiced up".
[*]Stating things like "if he doesn't get unbanned i'm leaving MD!" doesn't help. At all.
[*]"He had a well-developed char." Even if someone has the best developed role in the game, perfection in rp, and they do something they're told previously will get them banned, they should still get banned.
[*]Winning the HC in this mannor is for personal benefit, the character that places in the HC gains from it.
[*]Banning is appropriate punishment because there is no other punishment which would affect him in the same way as that.
[*]Cheating is not enthusiasm for the game.
[*]Other people, they get warned, they learn, and don't do it again.
[*]Just because you're able to cheat, doesn't mean you should.
[*]A stat reduction as punishment, he would just regain the stats, and quickly.
[*]The rules are not selectively enforced, they're just enforced upon those that ignore them.
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Grido, your points are more confusion and handwaving over the real issues here. We're talking about banning a char, and some alts, not banning a player. You seem to mix the two. I don't agree that removing a main char is appropriate. But that's what is at issue here. The player is still in the game as Mur said he's allowed new accounts. The char this poll concerns did not in any way gain from the HC, and couldn't have done as he'd won it in the past.

Let's be clear on what we're voting for. Lightsage the char in no way benefitted from any action in the Heads Contest. Lightsage's player is accused of using alt accounts to benefit other chars. So the punishment in question is for not only the alts but also the main developed char of this player to be banned from the game. Mur has said the player however is free to play another account.

I object to this poll because it too much must reflect the experiences people have had with a char who as part of his role is not always nice. I'll admit my own bias as I've a char very close to Lightsage, and know another side of him well. Nonetheless I don't think anyone can deny the contributions he's made to the game. We all get to take some advantage of the results of bug and rit testing, even if occasionally we are victims of it too. My perspective is that this is a rare player who also makes a contribution as a role-player. Losing a well-developed char from the game entirely imo is too severe a punishment for a crime of using alts in an HC, which we all know many people have done. I agree there should be consequences, but those should be weighed on the chars that participated and with respect to HC, not to the rest of the game. In this case, there's too much collateral damage with this action for innocent players such as myself who've chars developed in the game, in role-play, very much in connection to Lightsage the char. Mur is allowing new chars for this player, but the consequence for my chars in game remains.

I voted no. Cheating is cheating, especially when you're caught.

If he makes an alt and does it again, worse punishment

I'll vote yes. He's a long-time player, and the crime itself is something that a LOT of other people do unpunished before. I agree that he should get a heavy punishment especially cause he did a repeated offense (creature deletion/stats reduction, something like that), but I think a permanent ban is a bit too harsh. That;s just my humble opinion, though.

I voted "No".

He cheated, he was warned. He cheated twice, and was punished.

Mur have spoken.