Yrthilian

I would very much like to do this, Chewett, since editing is my profession. I have no experience with the wiki however.

hmm intresting but i can see both sides of the argument.
EON sorry but your attitude is a big issue in this that i can see.

in game yrth wants vengence on you but after all you are the evil one in his eyes.
out of game and from what little i see of you talking sorry but i cannot respoect someone whom is so blantly obnoxious
and has a whole mighter then thou attatued.

Out of game i have no issues with you hell i dont care much for what you have to say and i have never had to interact with you.

in game you where given a role to manage and run and make fun. 3/4 people playing in the BHc one of them beeing you
how is that not setting yourself up for winning? you are by far stronger then most in game and cause a lot of damage.
a compition of just3/4 is not a competition. that is far to few and putting your self in is fine but doing it and gaining
from it is just pure abuse of what you are suppose to be doing.

If you are serious about walking away it just shows to me how you did not actualy care about running the BHC
and now that the council took a trust point (that so far i see as a valid thing to do) you throw the rattle out of the pram.
so far the picture i see of you is of one whom is a spoilt brat.

I wish i could say something nicer but i cant as in game i see you as a bully and so far out of game well i already said
what i see.

Ether way walk away to me it is best that you do.

All i see is people moaning and not actualy suggest much to reslove thing and making treath
sorry but i though Awi you better then silly things like that. i start loosing respet of thoes
the complain and do nothing it is just sad

hmm intresting but i can see both sides of the argument.
EON sorry but your attitude is a big issue in this that i can see.

in game yrth wants vengence on you but after all you are the evil one in his eyes.
out of game and from what little i see of you talking sorry but i cannot respoect someone whom is so blantly obnoxious
and has a whole mighter then thou attatued.

Out of game i have no issues with you hell i dont care much for what you have to say and i have never had to interact with you.

in game you where given a role to manage and run and make fun. 3/4 people playing in the BHc one of them beeing you
how is that not setting yourself up for winning? you are by far stronger then most in game and cause a lot of damage.
a compition of just3/4 is not a competition. that is far to few and putting your self in is fine but doing it and gaining
from it is just pure abuse of what you are suppose to be doing.

If you are serious about walking away it just shows to me how you did not actualy care about running the BHC
and now that the council took a trust point (that so far i see as a valid thing to do) you throw the rattle out of the pram.
so far the picture i see of you is of one whom is a spoilt brat.

I wish i could say something nicer but i cant as in game i see you as a bully and so far out of game well i already said
what i see.

Ether way walk away to me it is best that you do.

All i see is people moaning and not actualy suggest much to reslove thing and making treath
sorry but i though Awi you better then silly things like that. i start loosing respet of thoes
the complain and do nothing it is just sad

hmm intresting but i can see both sides of the argument.
EON sorry but your attitude is a big issue in this that i can see.

in game yrth wants vengence on you but after all you are the evil one in his eyes.
out of game and from what little i see of you talking sorry but i cannot respoect someone whom is so blantly obnoxious
and has a whole mighter then thou attatued.

Out of game i have no issues with you hell i dont care much for what you have to say and i have never had to interact with you.

in game you where given a role to manage and run and make fun. 3/4 people playing in the BHc one of them beeing you
how is that not setting yourself up for winning? you are by far stronger then most in game and cause a lot of damage.
a compition of just3/4 is not a competition. that is far to few and putting your self in is fine but doing it and gaining
from it is just pure abuse of what you are suppose to be doing.

If you are serious about walking away it just shows to me how you did not actualy care about running the BHC
and now that the council took a trust point (that so far i see as a valid thing to do) you throw the rattle out of the pram.
so far the picture i see of you is of one whom is a spoilt brat.

I wish i could say something nicer but i cant as in game i see you as a bully and so far out of game well i already said
what i see.

Ether way walk away to me it is best that you do.

All i see is people moaning and not actualy suggest much to reslove thing and making treath
sorry but i though Awi you better then silly things like that. i start loosing respet of thoes
the complain and do nothing it is just sad

hmm intresting but i can see both sides of the argument.
EON sorry but your attitude is a big issue in this that i can see.

in game yrth wants vengence on you but after all you are the evil one in his eyes.
out of game and from what little i see of you talking sorry but i cannot respoect someone whom is so blantly obnoxious
and has a whole mighter then thou attatued.

Out of game i have no issues with you hell i dont care much for what you have to say and i have never had to interact with you.

in game you where given a role to manage and run and make fun. 3/4 people playing in the BHc one of them beeing you
how is that not setting yourself up for winning? you are by far stronger then most in game and cause a lot of damage.
a compition of just3/4 is not a competition. that is far to few and putting your self in is fine but doing it and gaining
from it is just pure abuse of what you are suppose to be doing.

If you are serious about walking away it just shows to me how you did not actualy care about running the BHC
and now that the council took a trust point (that so far i see as a valid thing to do) you throw the rattle out of the pram.
so far the picture i see of you is of one whom is a spoilt brat.

I wish i could say something nicer but i cant as in game i see you as a bully and so far out of game well i already said
what i see.

Ether way walk away to me it is best that you do.

All i see is people moaning and not actualy suggest much to reslove thing and making treath
sorry but i though Awi you better then silly things like that. i start loosing respet of thoes
the complain and do nothing it is just sad

hmm intresting but i can see both sides of the argument.
EON sorry but your attitude is a big issue in this that i can see.

in game yrth wants vengence on you but after all you are the evil one in his eyes.
out of game and from what little i see of you talking sorry but i cannot respoect someone whom is so blantly obnoxious
and has a whole mighter then thou attatued.

Out of game i have no issues with you hell i dont care much for what you have to say and i have never had to interact with you.

in game you where given a role to manage and run and make fun. 3/4 people playing in the BHc one of them beeing you
how is that not setting yourself up for winning? you are by far stronger then most in game and cause a lot of damage.
a compition of just3/4 is not a competition. that is far to few and putting your self in is fine but doing it and gaining
from it is just pure abuse of what you are suppose to be doing.

If you are serious about walking away it just shows to me how you did not actualy care about running the BHC
and now that the council took a trust point (that so far i see as a valid thing to do) you throw the rattle out of the pram.
so far the picture i see of you is of one whom is a spoilt brat.

I wish i could say something nicer but i cant as in game i see you as a bully and so far out of game well i already said
what i see.

Ether way walk away to me it is best that you do.

All i see is people moaning and not actualy suggest much to reslove thing and making treath
sorry but i though Awi you better then silly things like that. i start loosing respet of thoes
the complain and do nothing it is just sad

hmm intresting but i can see both sides of the argument.
EON sorry but your attitude is a big issue in this that i can see.

in game yrth wants vengence on you but after all you are the evil one in his eyes.
out of game and from what little i see of you talking sorry but i cannot respoect someone whom is so blantly obnoxious
and has a whole mighter then thou attatued.

Out of game i have no issues with you hell i dont care much for what you have to say and i have never had to interact with you.

in game you where given a role to manage and run and make fun. 3/4 people playing in the BHc one of them beeing you
how is that not setting yourself up for winning? you are by far stronger then most in game and cause a lot of damage.
a compition of just3/4 is not a competition. that is far to few and putting your self in is fine but doing it and gaining
from it is just pure abuse of what you are suppose to be doing.

If you are serious about walking away it just shows to me how you did not actualy care about running the BHC
and now that the council took a trust point (that so far i see as a valid thing to do) you throw the rattle out of the pram.
so far the picture i see of you is of one whom is a spoilt brat.

I wish i could say something nicer but i cant as in game i see you as a bully and so far out of game well i already said
what i see.

Ether way walk away to me it is best that you do.

All i see is people moaning and not actualy suggest much to reslove thing and making treath
sorry but i though Awi you better then silly things like that. i start loosing respet of thoes
the complain and do nothing it is just sad

hmm intresting but i can see both sides of the argument.
EON sorry but your attitude is a big issue in this that i can see.

in game yrth wants vengence on you but after all you are the evil one in his eyes.
out of game and from what little i see of you talking sorry but i cannot respoect someone whom is so blantly obnoxious
and has a whole mighter then thou attatued.

Out of game i have no issues with you hell i dont care much for what you have to say and i have never had to interact with you.

in game you where given a role to manage and run and make fun. 3/4 people playing in the BHc one of them beeing you
how is that not setting yourself up for winning? you are by far stronger then most in game and cause a lot of damage.
a compition of just3/4 is not a competition. that is far to few and putting your self in is fine but doing it and gaining
from it is just pure abuse of what you are suppose to be doing.

If you are serious about walking away it just shows to me how you did not actualy care about running the BHC
and now that the council took a trust point (that so far i see as a valid thing to do) you throw the rattle out of the pram.
so far the picture i see of you is of one whom is a spoilt brat.

I wish i could say something nicer but i cant as in game i see you as a bully and so far out of game well i already said
what i see.

Ether way walk away to me it is best that you do.

All i see is people moaning and not actualy suggest much to reslove thing and making treath
sorry but i though Awi you better then silly things like that. i start loosing respet of thoes
the complain and do nothing it is just sad

hmm intresting but i can see both sides of the argument.
EON sorry but your attitude is a big issue in this that i can see.

in game yrth wants vengence on you but after all you are the evil one in his eyes.
out of game and from what little i see of you talking sorry but i cannot respoect someone whom is so blantly obnoxious
and has a whole mighter then thou attatued.

Out of game i have no issues with you hell i dont care much for what you have to say and i have never had to interact with you.

in game you where given a role to manage and run and make fun. 3/4 people playing in the BHc one of them beeing you
how is that not setting yourself up for winning? you are by far stronger then most in game and cause a lot of damage.
a compition of just3/4 is not a competition. that is far to few and putting your self in is fine but doing it and gaining
from it is just pure abuse of what you are suppose to be doing.

If you are serious about walking away it just shows to me how you did not actualy care about running the BHC
and now that the council took a trust point (that so far i see as a valid thing to do) you throw the rattle out of the pram.
so far the picture i see of you is of one whom is a spoilt brat.

I wish i could say something nicer but i cant as in game i see you as a bully and so far out of game well i already said
what i see.

Ether way walk away to me it is best that you do.

All i see is people moaning and not actualy suggest much to reslove thing and making treath
sorry but i though Awi you better then silly things like that. i start loosing respet of thoes
the complain and do nothing it is just sad

[quote name='Rhaegar Targaryen' timestamp='1339651987' post='114696']
Wow wow wow people. We can argue a lot of council's decisions, but this one was spot on.
They presented some problems regarding BHC:
-Lack of people competing
-Conflict of interests due to Eon participating in a contest which rules he forms

All they did was point that out and offer few suggestions (and decrease a trust point from Eon, but he would have had them more left, and it's kinda deserved, because of the mentioned points and the general discontent of the public).
As soon as he got that, he rage-quits.
It is Eon's job to make the BHC work, it's not his private property.

Sure, we all understand Eon's "uneasiness" regarding council's lack of doing/fixing things, but it's the case with all of us, not just with him. There's even an urban myth that Dst and Eon get all of their requests done!

Okay, you don't like the council, but be objective.


Edit: We all know Mur is absent for quite some time, and we don't know for how much longer will it be the case. The authority of MD at the moment is the council, they are supposed to make sure things work, so, change certain details if things are going wrong in some situations. Eon hiding behind "Mur said so" and "Mur is my captain" mask is not that elegant at all.
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If it was just expressing concerns it would be alright.. but taking a trust point is a form of punishment.. for stuff in which I believe Eon is not at fault at all. He can't really have done anything regarding the lack of contestant, and he's only done things he was told to/allowed to after all. Taking a trust point here was a mistake in my opinion; I don't see which "trust" have been broken.

I agree with Eon, respect... but I also feel that there is also a big task ahead, to get more souls in MD, and keep them. I do not agree with the way the council acts again, but I welcome the attempt to try to make things better.

Yes, we can laugh at the struggle to make the realm better. We can punish the few remaining veterans. We can leave... but it doesn't help I think. We need to build.

This council decision is absolutely absurd. Particularly the part about the Council overriding Mur; that I find simply laughable.



Regarding BHC, the only reason I don't enter is that the entry fee is quite steep, with not much chance of a return on your investment (particularly for me, having only 1500 attack and pretty much tokenless).
If it was free like the regular HC, or cost a renewable resource (like fenths), I'd be participating in every single one.


I find it very sad for Eon to be resigning, because in my humble opinion he managed it well. Most importantly, he won his contests fairly, without abusing his powers, and I respect that.

What a sad moment for MD. Thank you Eon for all of your effort to make this realm more exciting. Although I never participated, I am grateful for all of your hard work at organizing and running the BHC.

The clock is ticking Council. You know, even though ours aren't official or in an announcement, we keep trust points for YOU too. And you're running just about empty.

Awi

I'm resiging from my BHC position. I decided to post why, and show how the council and I don't see eye to eye when it comes to my position.

This is an email from them and my response to them.

If you feel like reading it, first read the council's email at the bottom. My responses are at the top.

Feel free not to post, what you have to say really means very little to me.


"> We didn't reply previously as you deemed to start the contest without
> hearing back from us."

Which according to the creator of MagicDuel, Mur, I had every right to. We've spoken about my BHC role many times in the past, and none of you apparently have any idea what he has told me.

"The BHC's with skilldamage are run too regularly."

From my coversations with Mur I was given the impression that skilldamage is supposed to be rewarded for every BHC. If I remember correctly skilldamage is suppose to make the "Strongest" player weaker over time, because no one will want to train with the person. Had I never recieved skilldamage I'd be about 5-10 times stronger than I am now, meaning my attack stat would be in the tens of millions. Kind of makes sense, although I'm also not willing to join little training groups, so that also has put a damper on my training in the past. Also, every BHC in history has given skilldamage so it's very easy to believe that's how it's supposed to go.
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"Rewards of the BHC should be appropriate to the contest being
> run, Skilldamage is an exclusive ability right now and not to be given
> out lightly. This contest in which participation was minimal and without
> effort exerted by the players was undeserving of skilldamage as a
> reward. Instead it was a contest in which you effectively set yourself
> up to win again and receive additional skilldamage which is
> unacceptable."

Are you people really that stupid? I set myself up to win it again? What proof do you have that I specifically set it up to win skilldamage again? Oh, that's right, you don't have any, you're just assuming that's what happened. Yeah, you guy's are perfect examples of people who shouldn't be leading MD. You people obviously know nothing and yet make assumptions based on no real proof.

Like I just stated, I was under the impression every BHC was supposed to give skilldamage as a reward. How could I have known there was going to be such a low turnout? Oh, that's right, I couldn't have known that. I set up the sign ups, I can't force people to join this.

From what I hear, a lot of people were just too busy in real life at the time to sign up and give it much of an effort, so they decided not to sign up at all. Another group of people don't sign up because their weak and don't feel they have much of a chance in these competitions.

Skilldamage? Seriously, why the hell would I care if I gain more skilldamage or not? I had 93 skilldamage and then it went up by 20. The effects of skilldamage are supposed to be capped at 100, so in essence I gained 7 skilldamage points. It turns out it's not actually capped, but I figured Mur was still working on putting the cap on it, therefore it would soon enough just be capped at 100. So you think I threw this thing just for 7 skilldamage stats? I get 6 just from a single shop reset.

Lets also take a look at my battling history over the past I don't know, 5 months? Take a good look at how little I battle. Why would I possibly care if I gained a few more points in skilldamage if I often don't even attack the same person more than 5 times in a day? Hell, i doubt I usually attack the same person even three times a day now. I even look at Ignnus sometimes and say "screw it" before deciding to just go idle instead of attacking him.

So answer me this, where do you people get off saying that I effectively set this up just so I could win it and gain more skilldamage? Skilldamage is pretty damn worthless to me, and despite what other players might say, I have no ability to see into the future. There's not only no proof, but there is also no motive for me trying to set this up so I could specifically win, at least when it comes to skilldamage. I didn't have the golden medal yet, but I'll tell you in the next few sentences how little I cared whether I won this thing or not.

Guess how active I was during this entire BHC. You done guessing? I was active between 3-8 percent of the time. Do you realize how incredibly easy it would have been for people to beat me in this? GoE,SendtoMur'sgate (whatever that spell is called), Lighthouse, tea, alliances, cooperation. i could have been beaten so damn easy it's ridiculous. Lightsage actually came to my location in the east when I was sleeping and gave me his ball of heads through Roleplay. The few times I actually got sent to the GoE was when I had just gotten home and was checking my computer. Bummer for Seig on that one.

You can even ask Lightsage or Shadow about it. I mentioned to both during the competition that I was leaving to go to some parties. That's what I do. I'm not interested in staying around sitting at the computer all day, and I especially wouldn't give MD that much attention. My MD addiction is buried in the past.

"You quoted that Mur asked you to run BHC's every X months. Do not do
> that. The purpose of your role is not to run BHC for the sake of running
> it."

Mur told me to run side events every two months and a BHC every four months. I said "No," because I thought that was too soon for a BHC, so I decided to throw them every six months. 6 months gives people plenty of time to train and get their stuff in order, and I don't consider it that short of a time period. I was willing to go a little farther than Mur wanted, but I won't go that far.
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"> Mur gave you permission to do what you want with the BHC. That means
> doing anything within reason. It also means you are fully responsible
> for anything you do. As BHC organiser it is your job to source rewards
> and deal with the whole of the BHC accordingly. This means that if you
> want a reward from us you must contact us, and get it approved before
> announcing it. If you announce it earlier without our approval we may
> deny it. We know the relative worth of all the creatures in MD whereas
> you do not have access to this information. If you announce
> items/creatures before our approval we shall assume you are giving them
> out yourself. In addition, it is your job to give out the rewards once
> we have given them to you. Before announcing a BHC you must email us the
> details of any special rewards you want to issue that need us to issue
> them to yourself and then await a confirmation of our agreements on the
> details of it. For this reason we advise you provide us details more
> than the 5 days prior to the event you emailed us this time. If your BHC
> does not need support from us then you can run it as fast as you like."

I was told that if he was ever unreachable when I was going to throw a BHC I could email the council the details and that was it. I specifically asked along the lines of, "Do I have to wait for them to get back to me before throwing the BHC or side event?", and I was told that I didn't have to wait.

You guy's weren't informed of that? Too bad, you're the council, you should already be informed of this stuff. It's not my problem that you leaders don't have your stuff together. Trust me, I'm not the only player who thinks of you guy's like that.
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"> We also ask you (as we believe you have already been asked) not to
> participate to win the BHC, we feel you should not participate to win as
> you cannot fairly judge and be a member of the contest. People should
> not be complaining about your authority in BHC, which they do have a
> point to complain about if you are running in it and disqualifying
> people. Although, in ignnus case, we did remove him from a location as
> well, so we agree entirely with your action here. As was intended you
> can still compete in the contest for fun and to make the contest more
> challenging. If it is necessary we will, but we hope that in future you
> manage the contest better so that we do not ever have to mechanically
> implement it so that you physically cannot win the contest if you
> compete in it."

I was told I could participate, so I do. I have no memory of being told not to compete to win. I value Mur's words over everyone else's anyway, so it wouldn't really matter. Also, this is supposed to be a contest to determine the best of the best right? If I'm not breaking any of the rules I set in place, you should allow the others to compete against the best of the best. I'm not going to just compete to compete. I'm not going to compete without any chance of me being able to win whatsoever, that means I automatically lose, and someone who isn't the best falsely receives a medal for being the best, only because one of the very best couldn't compete. Why don't we just rename the competition to HC2 and give everyone medals already.

I can't fairly judge and be a member of the contest? Have I ever broken any of the rules I set up for the competition? Let's see... nope. I don't go into restricted locations, do anything that prevents me from being attackable, or anything else I ever put in place that could have possibly altered the competition in an unnatural way.

When I was accused of once being unnatackable because an Elu was popping up on my def I immediately gave it to DST.

I believe the majority of people feel I've been fair when it comes to dealing out punishments for any of my events. The people who getr punished obviously aren't too happy, but what I notice in chat tends to show me that people agree with my decisions.

I don't see any reason I wouldn't be able to participate when I hold myself to the same exact rules as everyone else. Seems like your just caving to pressure from others.
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"> This BHC participants merely sat around and didn't fight to win, this
> is ridiculous to happen in the BHC, it should be a battle of the best
> fighters and not of who can sit in the Tribunal the longest. Do you
> think it would be better if the fighting was more compact? Do you think
> you could be given any tools to make BHC better?"

Aww... simply adorable. That fantasy will never happen. People can win the BHC over and over again, therefore weaker fighters and decent fighters won't believe they have any chance of beating the elites, meaning you lose a big bunch of possible fighters right there. Real life gets in the way so sometimes that cuts out some major players as well. You know what's left? Often 10 players or less. Do you know how many of them are actively fighting in the BHC? 3-6 usually. Other players tend to get bored and go do something else. At the end of the day a head contest is still a head contest. It's the HC, but anyone can participate and possibly win. You want it to be statless? Alright, but it's not really going to be the best verse the best is it? The best have now been weakened 10000 fold. It's like all their grinding was for nothing. It always makes me laugh when people say "Eon should throw an HC for each different land". Do they realize how few people there are in other lands? Do they realize things would probably play out between people who generally get along well? I can imagine Loreroot's right now... "Nimrodel gives all heads to Shem, Lorerootian gives all heads to shem, Lorerootian gives all heads to Shem." We already know who the strongest is, and I highly doubt they'd really fight against each other, let alone in high numbers. I havebn't noticed Shem playing much anymore, but I'm pretty sure they'd do the same for some other Lorerootian, The same goes for all other lands. At least with my land cup event an entire land could have tried to work together and help their champion win. I saw Nimrodel giving Shem a bunch of heads, so they knew how to work together and win. I thought more people would have tried to ensure their lands champion won but I guess I was wrong about that, although it was a far better event than one would be if it was just for a single land.

People could have gotten me out of the tribunal or gotten to me very easy. It's called cooperation, along with a bunch of other things. People were either too lazy, too stupid, or they didn't want to get first place.

I like making events compact, but I like giving BHC fighters the freedom to go almost anywhere. I believe a lot of strategy can be used for chasing others, and I like to have that in the BHC. I do enjoy compact fighting, although I think it would also less sign ups overall. Who wants to be stuck in a little zone with me or anyone else like me? Weaker players at least figure they can get my heads and try to make a run for it.

No tools really come to mind. Like I said ealier, a BHC or event is basically an HC. The main difference is that they often have themes, or they have very, very small twists to them, like more points to the second stage, a longer second stage, or more head hills/head hill at a different spot. Not to mention they used to have great prizes.
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"> For your mismanagement of the BHCs to date, we have decreased your
> Trust Points by 1 and we will be removing the skill damage awarded. We
> will give you the rewards for the other participants as these issues do
> not concern them and have not come about as a result of anything they
> have done."

I'd accept that from Mur, although I don't think he'd say the same and I wouldn't really agree with him. I don't accept it from you people.

My mismanagement? I've managed the way I was told to.

You dislike the low turnouts? Like I've said a few times and I'll say again, and probably again... The BHC is essentially the HC. How does the saying go? If you put lipstick on a pig it's still a pig? People bitched and moaned for another HC that they could participate in and they got it. Now no one really cares for it. I don't believe people were so blind they didn't see this coming.

You don't like the prizes I announce? Too bad, I try to do things close to what Mur has told me to. When I asked him for a GG drach for the clash of the lands side event he said something along the lines of "Okay, but that would be too small of a prize for the BHC." GG=pretty rare. pretty rare= too low for the BHC= I guess I have to go higher. Simple to understand, no?

I don't agree with the punishment obviously.

I take it you would have rather me done nothing while Lightsage idled in the MDA for an easy victory? Yeah, that's much better.


"> In regards your enquiry about use of items during your BHC, we will not
> be mechanically blocking their use. This gives you greater flexibility
> to make the contest harder or easier or even just more or less
> complicated for the participants. It is up to you to implement any rules
> for your contests and to enforce those rules.
> "

I look forward to seeing you guy's throw a competition where Seig uses his cloak the entire time. Maybe you guy's will understand how things work in MD once you start getting bitched at for allowing something so abuseable to be used.

I wouldn't kick anyone out of the contest simply because Seig, or anyone else for that matter, cloaks them and makes them unnatackable. That would be pretty ridiculous.
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"> The above email overrides everything Mur has previously told you, none
> of what he asked holds greater than the above email. If there are any
> issues with things you feel should be kept the same, please comment as
> we would like your discussion on this"

No matter what, even if you bought this game from Mur and are it's new owners, I would still value every ingle thing Mur has told me over you. I respect Mur, and I have zero respect for you. You people take forever on things that could be handled incredibly fast. I've given you solid proof on many occasions and yet you took over a month to handle most issues. You refused to even get back to me about the shared tool hoarding, or maybe it was before the council rotation, and I had to go above your heads and talk to Mur to have things handled. I know Mur was slow, but didn't he get a council together so you guy's could handle things a bit faster than he could? If you guy's can't handle the simplest things in a timely manner you should probably just step down and let people who can actually get things going in MD get the chance to do just that.

Oh, and don't worry about reducing my trust points by one. You can take them all, I resign from the position, and I promise to watch from a distance so I can watch how the number of active players in your BHC ends up dwindling down over time.

You guy's can feel awesome being on the council all you want, but keep in mind, you're the council for MagicDuel. When I put it that way it sounds a hell of a lot less impressive, doesn't it?

I'll be posting this on the forum so people know why I've resigned.


> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 21:48:55 +0300
> From: contact@magicduel.com
> To: x
> Subject: Re: BHC
>
>
> Hello Eon
>
> We didn't reply previously as you deemed to start the contest without
> hearing back from us. We have been reviewing BHC and it has been lacking
> in participants. There needs to be more next time if there is going to
> be a Skilldamage reward. We are open as to your comments on how to get
> more players competing.
>
> The BHC's with skilldamage are run too regularly. We have been talking
> between us and are open to a discussion as to how it can be improved,
> but we feel that they should be run less, with more small "fun"
> contests. Rewards of the BHC should be appropriate to the contest being
> run, Skilldamage is an exclusive ability right now and not to be given
> out lightly. This contest in which participation was minimal and without
> effort exerted by the players was undeserving of skilldamage as a
> reward. Instead it was a contest in which you effectively set yourself
> up to win again and receive additional skilldamage which is
> unacceptable.
>
> You quoted that Mur asked you to run BHC's every X months. Do not do
> that. The purpose of your role is not to run BHC for the sake of running
> it. If that was the purpose it would have been an automated contest like
> regular HC, running them statically merely means the number of
> participants will slowly reduce. You could have the signup times be
> delayed so that there is an adequate amount of participants each time,
> and change the contest around. You might think to run small ones for MP3
> or other specific mindpowers. The "main" BHC should be run rarely, once
> for every 3 or 4 times that a smaller one has been run. This is your
> role, but these are some of our suggestions for changes you can make to
> try to help you so as to ensure you balance participation along with
> reward and so that you can run contests of different kinds on a regular
> basis.
>
> Quote: "My job is to throw the BHC, how the winners get the prizes
> isn't my problem."
>
> Mur gave you permission to do what you want with the BHC. That means
> doing anything within reason. It also means you are fully responsible
> for anything you do. As BHC organiser it is your job to source rewards
> and deal with the whole of the BHC accordingly. This means that if you
> want a reward from us you must contact us, and get it approved before
> announcing it. If you announce it earlier without our approval we may
> deny it. We know the relative worth of all the creatures in MD whereas
> you do not have access to this information. If you announce
> items/creatures before our approval we shall assume you are giving them
> out yourself. In addition, it is your job to give out the rewards once
> we have given them to you. Before announcing a BHC you must email us the
> details of any special rewards you want to issue that need us to issue
> them to yourself and then await a confirmation of our agreements on the
> details of it. For this reason we advise you provide us details more
> than the 5 days prior to the event you emailed us this time. If your BHC
> does not need support from us then you can run it as fast as you like.
>
> We also ask you (as we believe you have already been asked) not to
> participate to win the BHC, we feel you should not participate to win as
> you cannot fairly judge and be a member of the contest. People should
> not be complaining about your authority in BHC, which they do have a
> point to complain about if you are running in it and disqualifying
> people. Although, in ignnus case, we did remove him from a location as
> well, so we agree entirely with your action here. As was intended you
> can still compete in the contest for fun and to make the contest more
> challenging. If it is necessary we will, but we hope that in future you
> manage the contest better so that we do not ever have to mechanically
> implement it so that you physically cannot win the contest if you
> compete in it.
>
> This BHC participants merely sat around and didn't fight to win, this
> is ridiculous to happen in the BHC, it should be a battle of the best
> fighters and not of who can sit in the Tribunal the longest. Do you
> think it would be better if the fighting was more compact? Do you think
> you could be given any tools to make BHC better?
>
> For your mismanagement of the BHCs to date, we have decreased your
> Trust Points by 1 and we will be removing the skill damage awarded. We
> will give you the rewards for the other participants as these issues do
> not concern them and have not come about as a result of anything they
> have done.
>
> In regards your enquiry about use of items during your BHC, we will not
> be mechanically blocking their use. This gives you greater flexibility
> to make the contest harder or easier or even just more or less
> complicated for the participants. It is up to you to implement any rules
> for your contests and to enforce those rules.
>
> The above email overrides everything Mur has previously told you, none
> of what he asked holds greater than the above email. If there are any
> issues with things you feel should be kept the same, please comment as
> we would like your discussion on this.
>
> MD Council

hmm intresting but i can see both sides of the argument.
EON sorry but your attitude is a big issue in this that i can see.

in game yrth wants vengence on you but after all you are the evil one in his eyes.
out of game and from what little i see of you talking sorry but i cannot respoect someone whom is so blantly obnoxious
and has a whole mighter then thou attatued.

Out of game i have no issues with you hell i dont care much for what you have to say and i have never had to interact with you.

in game you where given a role to manage and run and make fun. 3/4 people playing in the BHc one of them beeing you
how is that not setting yourself up for winning? you are by far stronger then most in game and cause a lot of damage.
a compition of just3/4 is not a competition. that is far to few and putting your self in is fine but doing it and gaining
from it is just pure abuse of what you are suppose to be doing.

If you are serious about walking away it just shows to me how you did not actualy care about running the BHC
and now that the council took a trust point (that so far i see as a valid thing to do) you throw the rattle out of the pram.
so far the picture i see of you is of one whom is a spoilt brat.

I wish i could say something nicer but i cant as in game i see you as a bully and so far out of game well i already said
what i see.

Ether way walk away to me it is best that you do.

All i see is people moaning and not actualy suggest much to reslove thing and making treath
sorry but i though Awi you better then silly things like that. i start loosing respet of thoes
the complain and do nothing it is just sad

[quote name='Udgard' timestamp='1339656744' post='114708']
If it was just expressing concerns it would be alright.. but taking a trust point is a form of punishment.. for stuff in which I believe Eon is not at fault at all. He can't really have done anything regarding the lack of contestant, and he's only done things he was told to/allowed to after all. Taking a trust point here was a mistake in my opinion; I don't see which "trust" have been broken.
[/quote]

He is supposed to find creative ways to stimulate the community, or at least pause the BHC till there is enough will of the people.
Clearly the council think he didn't give enough effort into analyzing the situation and doing what is needed to secure a, perhaps rare, but good BHC.

Maybe they are wrong, but I don't see the reason for such attitude he showed in his email.

I don't think people really support Eon in this case, they just see him as someone who said all those "nasty" things to the authority they wanted to do all this time.

I personally have a lot of issues with MD's running, council, Mur, all of them, but I don't see an issue in this case with Eon.

hmm intresting but i can see both sides of the argument.
EON sorry but your attitude is a big issue in this that i can see.

in game yrth wants vengence on you but after all you are the evil one in his eyes.
out of game and from what little i see of you talking sorry but i cannot respoect someone whom is so blantly obnoxious
and has a whole mighter then thou attatued.

Out of game i have no issues with you hell i dont care much for what you have to say and i have never had to interact with you.

in game you where given a role to manage and run and make fun. 3/4 people playing in the BHc one of them beeing you
how is that not setting yourself up for winning? you are by far stronger then most in game and cause a lot of damage.
a compition of just3/4 is not a competition. that is far to few and putting your self in is fine but doing it and gaining
from it is just pure abuse of what you are suppose to be doing.

If you are serious about walking away it just shows to me how you did not actualy care about running the BHC
and now that the council took a trust point (that so far i see as a valid thing to do) you throw the rattle out of the pram.
so far the picture i see of you is of one whom is a spoilt brat.

I wish i could say something nicer but i cant as in game i see you as a bully and so far out of game well i already said
what i see.

Ether way walk away to me it is best that you do.

All i see is people moaning and not actualy suggest much to reslove thing and making treath
sorry but i though Awi you better then silly things like that. i start loosing respet of thoes
the complain and do nothing it is just sad

Wow wow wow people. We can argue a lot of council's decisions, but this one was spot on.
They presented some problems regarding BHC:
-Lack of people competing
-Conflict of interests due to Eon participating in a contest which rules he forms

All they did was point that out and offer few suggestions (and decrease a trust point from Eon, but he would have had them more left, and it's kinda deserved, because of the mentioned points and the general discontent of the public).
As soon as he got that, he rage-quits.
It is Eon's job to make the BHC work, it's not his private property.

Sure, we all understand Eon's "uneasiness" regarding council's lack of doing/fixing things, but it's the case with all of us, not just with him. There's even an urban myth that Dst and Eon get all of their requests done!

Okay, you don't like the council, but be objective.


Edit: We all know Mur is absent for quite some time, and we don't know for how much longer will it be the case. The authority of MD at the moment is the council, they are supposed to make sure things work, so, change certain details if things are going wrong in some situations. Eon hiding behind "Mur said so" and "Mur is my captain" mask is not that elegant at all.

Well played Peace

How a ghost should be able to do such hing is dont know
But as you have been told no i will not take this lying down.

I am for one not a coward and i will not run. The fact that there is now a centinal
trying to take a land allaince IS an attack on Golemus the land. By this i would
Hope the MR's will step.

I will admit i am supprised and i fear it might be time to bring some weapons to
to forfront and start destrying the land that decided to cause this damage.

I will also hunt down the spy and i will Kill them out right
Also Peace for do this i will also Kill you and trust me i have the meens
to do so i just choose to hold it close

I also think it time to cause your father a lot of pain remember who holds his
sole.

You now will feel the wrait of the King of Golemus for trying this and for
trying to bring war to the lands in the first place.

[quote name='Rhaegar Targaryen' date='20 September 2009 - 05:23 PM' timestamp='1253463809' post='42164']
hey! let go off Marvolo!
you're supposed to be "allied forces", pre-emptive strike so peace will be assured later on... but instead you're making genocide (torturing Marvolo) and creating a Golemus Empire! Assembly of leaders demands justice!
[/quote]

Is this LR making a statement during a time of war?
are you not suppose to be nutral?

What happens in a time of war happens.
If a prisioner need to be dealt with this will happen.

Golemus and Marind Bell entered into this war for good resion
and it was decided before the necro land gets to powerfull to stop them.
In necro lands become to powerfull we all will suffer.

Yes Golemus is involed again in yet another war i beleve this make 3 in total.
so i guess Golemus have been in every war. But we at least keep to what we say.

well i am on the fence here. To me none of the alliance have really done much.
I know i am not online in game all that much thies days but i do still look to see what is happining.

CoE where unfortunat to have been taken over and for a long while be lower than 3 members
shame that all it takes is a single player to bring the downfall of an alliance. But that is the
mechanics of the system.

I can only suggest that the path Tarq chooses to take be the best one. I dont see why a ptition to the council
would be the way to go. the comunity is not the CoE. I do not wish to undermine the petition but
to me a petition is not action enough to regain ones alliance.

The main issue here is MD has become stale. not much happens alliance dont do much.

Tarq, I really do hope you regain the alliance. I respect you and some of the members and i
believe you would deserve to regain the allaince but action speaks louder than words.

good luck in your fight to regain the badge of your allaince

well i am on the fence here. To me none of the alliance have really done much.
I know i am not online in game all that much thies days but i do still look to see what is happining.

CoE where unfortunat to have been taken over and for a long while be lower than 3 members
shame that all it takes is a single player to bring the downfall of an alliance. But that is the
mechanics of the system.

I can only suggest that the path Tarq chooses to take be the best one. I dont see why a ptition to the council
would be the way to go. the comunity is not the CoE. I do not wish to undermine the petition but
to me a petition is not action enough to regain ones alliance.

The main issue here is MD has become stale. not much happens alliance dont do much.

Tarq, I really do hope you regain the alliance. I respect you and some of the members and i
believe you would deserve to regain the allaince but action speaks louder than words.

good luck in your fight to regain the badge of your allaince

[quote name='Chewett' timestamp='1339068897' post='113893']
It would be interesting to hear other CoE members views on this, i can only assume this has changed since amoran, who i believe is a senior CoE member, has started this pertition. However i know little of the inner CoE structure, so she might just be starting it on her own without permission. again this is just conjecture.
[/quote]

I haven't changed my position on that - I do prefer in-game means to "administrative" fixes. It's a regrettable position for me to take in some ways because I am and have been very busy, but I believe a person should put his money where his mouth is. I plan to work with all the CoE officers to see what kind of solution we can concoct - now that negotiation to get the badge back is no longer an option, we must resort to different means. To me, that's a good thing.

I don't want to undercut Amoran's initiative on this petition, but I don't think popular sentiment [i]alone[/i] should change the way things are in MD. The CoE hasn't been very visible for a while, and that's partly my fault. I hope to show that we are a vibrant and useful element of the community.

[quote name='dst' timestamp='1328688514' post='103790']
Thief? Are you even using that brain you're supposed to have? How dare you call someone a thief simply because that person uses the IN GAME TOOLS?
[/quote]

sorry i had to reply to this comment.
Just because you have a tool to do something does not automaticaly give you a right to go take all resorces from another land you are not part of.
In RL i cannot just go to another country and depelet it of its oil. i have to have a permit and gain rights to go mine for that resorce.
Why should it be any diffrent in MD?

If someone comes to a land a depelets its resorces then yes that land has a right to call them a thief.
as this is what they have done. gone agenst the land law's and that the people whom are of that land feel they have the right to protect
just because there is no reall system in place to stop that does not mean they dont have the right to say it.

You know how i feel about EON and his/her breaking of land laws and trade agreements.
and i was in my right to say what i said. But could not act as no system was there for me to do so.
No i am not moaning i am just pointing that out. I do concider EON a law breaker and a trade breaker.
So to me EON is a crook and that is how i will treat eon.