Muratus del Mur

i am not sure what is unclear from what i said.

let me put it in a different way, maybe it is more clear. Use your logic abilities to combine what i said and figure it out:

NO NO NO cases
- you can't use md art to make money out of it, resell it for CASH, etc. Cash doesn't mean md credits, creatures or other valuables from within md.
- you can't use md art for non md related things, like for your own non-md related project, etc.
- you can't use md art if you do it in such a way that it affects the storyline, theme, or fundamental concepts in md, or if it is causing intentional confusion. To be more clear about this, i care about what you do with the art too, not only if it is for md or not.
- you can't use md art if i say you can't use it... i thought it is obvious.
- you can't use some of the art, those parts that i consider spoilers.
- Things like artwork libraries, collections of images from md, premium creature or rare creature high level artworks, please don't use them.
- you can do walpapers, just avoid confusion and mention they are done by you, with your own efforts. if you plan to put them public anywhere else than md, i don't want people to think they are official artworks, regardless how good or bad they look.
- you can't use it in anything that tends to look official and is not. For example you can't use md artworks in phone games, regardless if they fit the rest of the rules and you give them for free.

YES YES cases
- you can use md artworks to support things related to your md quests, role, research.
- you can use them for personal use, meaning the product of your work wont be shared, given, sold, traded to others. For example if you want to do yourself a mouse pad with the last level of the marksman, fine with me, just don't let me find out .. because if i do it means it is public use and not private.
- you can trade creations based on md artworks as long as they remain within md and the trade is also within md, not for cash, or other non md things. This has also to fit the no spoiling rule.
- you can use it if i said you can use it. obviously.


it is common sense what i ask. Most of the cases of copyright infringement were solved by a simple discussion, and most were involving people not from md. The things i ask about the artworks use are to protect md's values, to keep it unique and keep its quality level. If i would leave the use of the artworks open to anyone and anything, this unicity would fade and "outsiders" as well as new players will no longer know what is md and what is player made.


I can't say BW has the right to blah bla... he is not my business partner, he has no special permission, he is just a player. What i say here is valid for all.

Regarding this particular case, i have nothing against player made walpapers. If you plan to post them on walpaper sites, or post them on your personal site and brag with md artworks to people that have no clue they are not yours, that is NOT ok. To be more sure everything is fine, whoever does such things, please state clearly that artworks is from md, and not done by you, so that new and unaware people know that and to avoid confusion. If you sell it, be sure to specify that you sell the way you combined, altered, mixed it, not the art itself. Like music and remixes, the dj is still an artist, but he is not claiming he composed the music he used for the mix, just the mix itself.

If you do it for profit within md, its fine with me, as long as profit stays within md boundaries. Using md artworks within md , game or community, is the same as using creatures, or surfing the scenes. If you take it outside md, then it is stealing, unless you do everything possible to make it clear they belong to md, and talk to me about it.


One thing that will make me happy every time and is important, make sure whatever you will create using md art has "MagicDuel" or domain name or MagicDuel Adventure written on it. That way it is clear you didnt used the art for other purposes.


I make a huge difference between md people and people outside md. As a player, i will ask you, talk to you, explain you, listen to your reasons and even allow exceptions based on them when it comes to how you can use the artworks. For example, with the walpapers, i could say ok do them, but then ask you to remove one or the other because they don't fit with md or whatever. I expect you to respect that. As a non-player, md outsider, i will not do that. For people that find these artworks sweet and usable for their own projects, i know only to bite and use any tools imaginable to stop them.

If my answer is still not clear ... please put a more clear question.

i am not sure what is unclear from what i said.

let me put it in a different way, maybe it is more clear. Use your logic abilities to combine what i said and figure it out:

NO NO NO cases
- you can't use md art to make money out of it, resell it for CASH, etc. Cash doesn't mean md credits, creatures or other valuables from within md.
- you can't use md art for non md related things, like for your own non-md related project, etc.
- you can't use md art if you do it in such a way that it affects the storyline, theme, or fundamental concepts in md, or if it is causing intentional confusion. To be more clear about this, i care about what you do with the art too, not only if it is for md or not.
- you can't use md art if i say you can't use it... i thought it is obvious.
- you can't use some of the art, those parts that i consider spoilers.
- Things like artwork libraries, collections of images from md, premium creature or rare creature high level artworks, please don't use them.
- you can do walpapers, just avoid confusion and mention they are done by you, with your own efforts. if you plan to put them public anywhere else than md, i don't want people to think they are official artworks, regardless how good or bad they look.
- you can't use it in anything that tends to look official and is not. For example you can't use md artworks in phone games, regardless if they fit the rest of the rules and you give them for free.

YES YES cases
- you can use md artworks to support things related to your md quests, role, research.
- you can use them for personal use, meaning the product of your work wont be shared, given, sold, traded to others. For example if you want to do yourself a mouse pad with the last level of the marksman, fine with me, just don't let me find out .. because if i do it means it is public use and not private.
- you can trade creations based on md artworks as long as they remain within md and the trade is also within md, not for cash, or other non md things. This has also to fit the no spoiling rule.
- you can use it if i said you can use it. obviously.


it is common sense what i ask. Most of the cases of copyright infringement were solved by a simple discussion, and most were involving people not from md. The things i ask about the artworks use are to protect md's values, to keep it unique and keep its quality level. If i would leave the use of the artworks open to anyone and anything, this unicity would fade and "outsiders" as well as new players will no longer know what is md and what is player made.


I can't say BW has the right to blah bla... he is not my business partner, he has no special permission, he is just a player. What i say here is valid for all.

Regarding this particular case, i have nothing against player made walpapers. If you plan to post them on walpaper sites, or post them on your personal site and brag with md artworks to people that have no clue they are not yours, that is NOT ok. To be more sure everything is fine, whoever does such things, please state clearly that artworks is from md, and not done by you, so that new and unaware people know that and to avoid confusion. If you sell it, be sure to specify that you sell the way you combined, altered, mixed it, not the art itself. Like music and remixes, the dj is still an artist, but he is not claiming he composed the music he used for the mix, just the mix itself.

If you do it for profit within md, its fine with me, as long as profit stays within md boundaries. Using md artworks within md , game or community, is the same as using creatures, or surfing the scenes. If you take it outside md, then it is stealing, unless you do everything possible to make it clear they belong to md, and talk to me about it.


One thing that will make me happy every time and is important, make sure whatever you will create using md art has "MagicDuel" or domain name or MagicDuel Adventure written on it. That way it is clear you didnt used the art for other purposes.


I make a huge difference between md people and people outside md. As a player, i will ask you, talk to you, explain you, listen to your reasons and even allow exceptions based on them when it comes to how you can use the artworks. For example, with the walpapers, i could say ok do them, but then ask you to remove one or the other because they don't fit with md or whatever. I expect you to respect that. As a non-player, md outsider, i will not do that. For people that find these artworks sweet and usable for their own projects, i know only to bite and use any tools imaginable to stop them.

If my answer is still not clear ... please put a more clear question.

i am not sure what is unclear from what i said.

let me put it in a different way, maybe it is more clear. Use your logic abilities to combine what i said and figure it out:

NO NO NO cases
- you can't use md art to make money out of it, resell it for CASH, etc. Cash doesn't mean md credits, creatures or other valuables from within md.
- you can't use md art for non md related things, like for your own non-md related project, etc.
- you can't use md art if you do it in such a way that it affects the storyline, theme, or fundamental concepts in md, or if it is causing intentional confusion. To be more clear about this, i care about what you do with the art too, not only if it is for md or not.
- you can't use md art if i say you can't use it... i thought it is obvious.
- you can't use some of the art, those parts that i consider spoilers.
- Things like artwork libraries, collections of images from md, premium creature or rare creature high level artworks, please don't use them.
- you can do walpapers, just avoid confusion and mention they are done by you, with your own efforts. if you plan to put them public anywhere else than md, i don't want people to think they are official artworks, regardless how good or bad they look.
- you can't use it in anything that tends to look official and is not. For example you can't use md artworks in phone games, regardless if they fit the rest of the rules and you give them for free.

YES YES cases
- you can use md artworks to support things related to your md quests, role, research.
- you can use them for personal use, meaning the product of your work wont be shared, given, sold, traded to others. For example if you want to do yourself a mouse pad with the last level of the marksman, fine with me, just don't let me find out .. because if i do it means it is public use and not private.
- you can trade creations based on md artworks as long as they remain within md and the trade is also within md, not for cash, or other non md things. This has also to fit the no spoiling rule.
- you can use it if i said you can use it. obviously.


it is common sense what i ask. Most of the cases of copyright infringement were solved by a simple discussion, and most were involving people not from md. The things i ask about the artworks use are to protect md's values, to keep it unique and keep its quality level. If i would leave the use of the artworks open to anyone and anything, this unicity would fade and "outsiders" as well as new players will no longer know what is md and what is player made.


I can't say BW has the right to blah bla... he is not my business partner, he has no special permission, he is just a player. What i say here is valid for all.

Regarding this particular case, i have nothing against player made walpapers. If you plan to post them on walpaper sites, or post them on your personal site and brag with md artworks to people that have no clue they are not yours, that is NOT ok. To be more sure everything is fine, whoever does such things, please state clearly that artworks is from md, and not done by you, so that new and unaware people know that and to avoid confusion. If you sell it, be sure to specify that you sell the way you combined, altered, mixed it, not the art itself. Like music and remixes, the dj is still an artist, but he is not claiming he composed the music he used for the mix, just the mix itself.

If you do it for profit within md, its fine with me, as long as profit stays within md boundaries. Using md artworks within md , game or community, is the same as using creatures, or surfing the scenes. If you take it outside md, then it is stealing, unless you do everything possible to make it clear they belong to md, and talk to me about it.


One thing that will make me happy every time and is important, make sure whatever you will create using md art has "MagicDuel" or domain name or MagicDuel Adventure written on it. That way it is clear you didnt used the art for other purposes.


I make a huge difference between md people and people outside md. As a player, i will ask you, talk to you, explain you, listen to your reasons and even allow exceptions based on them when it comes to how you can use the artworks. For example, with the walpapers, i could say ok do them, but then ask you to remove one or the other because they don't fit with md or whatever. I expect you to respect that. As a non-player, md outsider, i will not do that. For people that find these artworks sweet and usable for their own projects, i know only to bite and use any tools imaginable to stop them.

If my answer is still not clear ... please put a more clear question.

i am not sure what is unclear from what i said.

let me put it in a different way, maybe it is more clear. Use your logic abilities to combine what i said and figure it out:

NO NO NO cases
- you can't use md art to make money out of it, resell it for CASH, etc. Cash doesn't mean md credits, creatures or other valuables from within md.
- you can't use md art for non md related things, like for your own non-md related project, etc.
- you can't use md art if you do it in such a way that it affects the storyline, theme, or fundamental concepts in md, or if it is causing intentional confusion. To be more clear about this, i care about what you do with the art too, not only if it is for md or not.
- you can't use md art if i say you can't use it... i thought it is obvious.
- you can't use some of the art, those parts that i consider spoilers.
- Things like artwork libraries, collections of images from md, premium creature or rare creature high level artworks, please don't use them.
- you can do walpapers, just avoid confusion and mention they are done by you, with your own efforts. if you plan to put them public anywhere else than md, i don't want people to think they are official artworks, regardless how good or bad they look.
- you can't use it in anything that tends to look official and is not. For example you can't use md artworks in phone games, regardless if they fit the rest of the rules and you give them for free.

YES YES cases
- you can use md artworks to support things related to your md quests, role, research.
- you can use them for personal use, meaning the product of your work wont be shared, given, sold, traded to others. For example if you want to do yourself a mouse pad with the last level of the marksman, fine with me, just don't let me find out .. because if i do it means it is public use and not private.
- you can trade creations based on md artworks as long as they remain within md and the trade is also within md, not for cash, or other non md things. This has also to fit the no spoiling rule.
- you can use it if i said you can use it. obviously.


it is common sense what i ask. Most of the cases of copyright infringement were solved by a simple discussion, and most were involving people not from md. The things i ask about the artworks use are to protect md's values, to keep it unique and keep its quality level. If i would leave the use of the artworks open to anyone and anything, this unicity would fade and "outsiders" as well as new players will no longer know what is md and what is player made.


I can't say BW has the right to blah bla... he is not my business partner, he has no special permission, he is just a player. What i say here is valid for all.

Regarding this particular case, i have nothing against player made walpapers. If you plan to post them on walpaper sites, or post them on your personal site and brag with md artworks to people that have no clue they are not yours, that is NOT ok. To be more sure everything is fine, whoever does such things, please state clearly that artworks is from md, and not done by you, so that new and unaware people know that and to avoid confusion. If you sell it, be sure to specify that you sell the way you combined, altered, mixed it, not the art itself. Like music and remixes, the dj is still an artist, but he is not claiming he composed the music he used for the mix, just the mix itself.

If you do it for profit within md, its fine with me, as long as profit stays within md boundaries. Using md artworks within md , game or community, is the same as using creatures, or surfing the scenes. If you take it outside md, then it is stealing, unless you do everything possible to make it clear they belong to md, and talk to me about it.


One thing that will make me happy every time and is important, make sure whatever you will create using md art has "MagicDuel" or domain name or MagicDuel Adventure written on it. That way it is clear you didnt used the art for other purposes.


I make a huge difference between md people and people outside md. As a player, i will ask you, talk to you, explain you, listen to your reasons and even allow exceptions based on them when it comes to how you can use the artworks. For example, with the walpapers, i could say ok do them, but then ask you to remove one or the other because they don't fit with md or whatever. I expect you to respect that. As a non-player, md outsider, i will not do that. For people that find these artworks sweet and usable for their own projects, i know only to bite and use any tools imaginable to stop them.

If my answer is still not clear ... please put a more clear question.

In reply to the pm i received from bronzometh requesting my stand about this idea:

It is alt abuse.
what you do is to run this training ground in two locations instead of one. according to the decision on ggg to ban alts found participating in that training ground, this will apply on yours too.
Only way to do it is to have two groups of people , one group willing to stay outside , one willing to do the attacks. However, this is almost doomed to be abused by using alts and not main accounts, so i am afraid it wont work.
Its good you asked, it made it obvious that you do not realise this as an abuse, but it is.

from a philosophical point of view, when someone wins something, someone else loses something. If you put up fske accounts to sustain the losses, that is abuse and law breaking almost in all aspects, from game rules to country laws. It is like making a loan at the bank on a fake name.

In reply to the pm i received from bronzometh requesting my stand about this idea:

It is alt abuse.
what you do is to run this training ground in two locations instead of one. according to the decision on ggg to ban alts found participating in that training ground, this will apply on yours too.
Only way to do it is to have two groups of people , one group willing to stay outside , one willing to do the attacks. However, this is almost doomed to be abused by using alts and not main accounts, so i am afraid it wont work.
Its good you asked, it made it obvious that you do not realise this as an abuse, but it is.

from a philosophical point of view, when someone wins something, someone else loses something. If you put up fske accounts to sustain the losses, that is abuse and law breaking almost in all aspects, from game rules to country laws. It is like making a loan at the bank on a fake name.

people ..what uninformed...my head hurts...do you forget who you are talking to?

Again, the summoned army, was attacked by necro people, OF COURSE IT FOUGHT BACK. It attacked both necro and non necro after it saw that they make no difference anyway and they keep attacking it. So..it didnt attack back only those hiting it, but all, once you showed no kind of support. Except the fights, there was no support in chat, but even worse, you left the general impression you are curious and want to see what will happen with yrth actions. Don't act surprised or revolted now, you should have been that way back then.

The summoned army has no humor, you play games attacking it just to see if you win or not, you might end up complaining on the forum later for the outcome.

in fact...id doesn't set in MD...hmm, i wonder why... )) but i get the point.

You put it better than i could

Rules of the room were stated clearly. All entrances should be payed, I didn't placed the fee value, it is more of a symbolic meaning. However elthans did and it was ...1 silver ..hmm
payment goes to me , and eventually it goes back into md one way or an other. The current fund collector for different purposes is the postman, among other things this is his role, he "collects" payments, packages and such. don't get me wrong, you are not paying ME , you are just placing the currency back into the system.

Elthans defenetly lost any chance of getting anything similar if he returns, but what I was more curious of was how this will turn out and how long it will tAke , I guess now I have an answer.

regarding who should have the keys, I want the experiment to continue, it should be a less popular, but devoted character. No celebrity will get the keys. Player should not have any significant Alts, He should have enough active days, and should show from previous activity that he is involved and cares. I was about to pick someone, but since you showed initiative, let's see who You pick.

The problem with the normal hardvover version is that i need to order more and currently i am out of money. The orders placed here are just a few compared to how many i need to order. Thats why i cant do it right now, but i will do so as soon as i can, and for sure i will do so when the romanian version is done. I am sorry for this delay.

The black cover version can be printed anytime because they are hand made one by one and i dont have a minimum stoc limit, but 41$ is a lot, i know, not my fault.


I will keep this topic updated if anything changes.

If you have any questions at all, you know how to ask.

[b]
UPDATE
printing a new stoc of 5 or 6 of the limited edition (black) one, if anyone else wants one let me know in time. This is valid for international orders too not just Romania. Shipping by normal post should not be to much.[/b]

@Marvolo: DEATH TO THE INFIDELS!
@Princ: bah, obvious things, everybody tries to hide the greatmess of the tomato


*smirks*...

There is an ...APPLE.... on the back of the ipad.....

WWAAAAAHAAA WHHYYYYYYY (((

..

traitors..obey the tomato...
i killyou!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uwOL4rB-go


seriously now... i should send a complain to apple to notify about the tragic flaw in their brand concept and logo. Their products should be red and the logo a tomato...thats so obvious! bah!

Princ..that is actually awsome )

clue 1: give people an answer and they will build the right questions to reach it.
answer 1: i write in red, nothing to do with tomatoes, i was accused of being part of some organization/cult/whatever..refered as god (because [u]in md[/u] i am a god) ..obvious conclusion, i am an evil tomato cultivist.

It is my way of joking about the paranoia of some people, and a way for me to underline my obvious genetic and cultural relation with the holy tomatoes *praise the tomato! - thats me*

From a joke, it turned into a nickname and a habit. Now..if you follow the coincidences, my rat avatar is also red, my book has a circle on it, that looks like a tomato, md has two main colors, black and gold, and an accent color that is red, like the tomato....and tomatoes love music (like all plants but thats irrelevant now)


Thanks Z for the link, it clears it.


p.s. from time to time is good to remind why some things are how they are, before people start to make up other reasons.....

Now, OBEY THE TOMATO OR GET JUICIFIED !

Princ..that is actually awsome )

clue 1: give people an answer and they will build the right questions to reach it.
answer 1: i write in red, nothing to do with tomatoes, i was accused of being part of some organization/cult/whatever..refered as god (because [u]in md[/u] i am a god) ..obvious conclusion, i am an evil tomato cultivist.

It is my way of joking about the paranoia of some people, and a way for me to underline my obvious genetic and cultural relation with the holy tomatoes *praise the tomato! - thats me*

From a joke, it turned into a nickname and a habit. Now..if you follow the coincidences, my rat avatar is also red, my book has a circle on it, that looks like a tomato, md has two main colors, black and gold, and an accent color that is red, like the tomato....and tomatoes love music (like all plants but thats irrelevant now)


Thanks Z for the link, it clears it.


p.s. from time to time is good to remind why some things are how they are, before people start to make up other reasons.....

Now, OBEY THE TOMATO OR GET JUICIFIED !

Once i had a website dedicated to such things, like errors on famous sites, copied sites, and more...so when i saw this one today i thought to share it with you ..

anyone can get a google server error page or something? would be cool.

oh so you wanted to be baned for 5-6 month...means i can take your creatures too? :D

I woke up on the wrong side of the bed....

[quote name='Blackthorn']
As a note outside of character...I am rather dismayed at the poor and neglected condition I have found the game to be in since I returned...I have seen so few new players and even fewer active veterans. Part of the problem as I see it, is due to there being very little to role-play about. I understand Mur that you have a great need to control us for your own purpose...but I still do not understand why. You have Imagination as one of the principles of this realm, but we are told not to express it in this way or in that. The sheer number of Rules is astounding, and to be honest, I do not have the time to keep up with them all. Imagination is about freedom not control. So why so much control and intimidation? I am not writing this to disparage you but to ask in an open an honest way, why? Why can we not just play the way we want, however we want. I have read what you have written about the subject, and more...still I do not understand you or your need to control us. Why do we need kings, or a jail...not that I don't like this one...could use some curtains though, and a window to go with it...? I understand you are behind it all, but I still cannot understand your motives. At least I hope I do not...for I am acting under the assumption that you want the game to succeed. From what I see however, it seems to be dying.
[/quote]

As much as i wish to stay and just look at what the result of this will be, i have to answer when you derail from the subject by using myself and "how bad md became" neverending excuse to "make a point".
If you plan to reply me and continue this rant about how bad my influence is on md, please do so in a separate thread so that we can discuss it without using this side topic to hide the real discussion here, about LR.
[b](mods pls split this if it continues)[/b]



[quote name='Blackthorn']...I have seen so few new players and even fewer active veterans..[/quote]

You will be surprised why. First of all, the financial situation prevents me from keeping any onstant advertisig for md, except on the sites that i own. In better time i would flood the internet with ads, but now i can't.
Second, the few new that come every day, end up in a network of fake friends that slowly start to intoxicate them about how annoying md actualy is and in a day or two they are invited to continue talks on yahoo or other messengers where that imagination you talk about is unrestricted.
Third, and i have to say this even if it will be taken as an official position to a "community driven project", GGG killed it and astral plane took it in a alternate reality...WITHOUT intending to do so at all....(i had to say it)


[quote name='Blackthorn']...very little to role-play about..[/quote]

It is your lack of involvement that creates very little to role-play about. The moment you expect someone to give you something to rp about you can stay aside and watch other players that FIND something to rp about. If you stay outside md, you only see the things that have little to do with rp.

[quote name='Blackthorn']...I understand Mur that you have a great need to control us for your own purpose...but I still do not understand why..[/quote]

You make it sound as if i am some sort of puppet master. If i wanted a puppet theater i had one by now. The things i want to control are the neverending rants and bitching about how bad md is, and the intoxication of new players by a certain group, just because they run out of veteran players to brainwash, ..ooppss...i used same word as you did some time ago.

[quote name='Blackthorn']Why do we need kings, or a jail[/quote]

That answers your previous concern..you need them so you have something to ROLE-PLAY about. You also need them because freedom without order is generally called chaos. Thats actually some peoples problem here, they wants freedom, they want to do whatever they like, but without caring of the others. When they cant do that, they move to separate chats, or go and do it outside of md, then return and complain "how bad md became while they were away"

[quote name='Blackthorn']I understand you are behind it all, but I still cannot understand your motives[/quote]

Of course i am behind it all, didn't you knew that Yrth, Firs, Jester and Lifeline are all my alts? I am the evil tomato trying to controll all lands, its obvious. Md doesn't even exist, its just an illusion. I enjoy waking up in the morning and pull my hair out for whatever new scandal pops up. Seriously speaking, you don't understand my motives? I think you can just say you don't understand my involvement first, then say you don't understand my motives for that involvement. You assume i want to control all, just because the things that happen don't go in the direction you like them to go? This kind of mentality is an educated form of cowardness. Face the facts, handle what is happening, and stop blaming a greater force for it. If I want something in the realm, I do it, i dont need excuses.

Ontopic:
don't mistaken my support to firs and the answers against princ with a persoal friendship relationship or hate or such with any of them. I represent the higher authority the kings rely on. I respect them as leaders, because they earned their throne. I respect their citizens because they mean MD. My only problem is that ONE CITIZEN does not balance ONE KING. A king is a king because the majority of his people elected him for that. I can't allow a king to fail because he doesn't have the support or tools to rule his people and because one or the other abuse this lack of tools. (for example untill now there was no way for kings to punish citizens).

As much as i wish to reply to several affirmations above, i wont because its already to much offtopic.

- "Lets help md, just ask.." - honestly, personal feelings that try me when i read such lines, from you or others, ..i feel like ripping your heads off... I am trying to keep an official stand and be polite , as Mur, but i am kind of empty of anymore politeness now. MD is not an [i]invalid[/i] that needs your help and your favors. The only "help" it needs is to have people that stop pity it and look with superiority as if they know anything about it. MD is a machinery, not even me know everything about it, how could anyone. The people that play it, with or without financially supporting it, those are the ones that really help it. Those that pity it and come from time to time to complain that md needs help, they are the ones that destroy it, by bringing down the moral of others, pretending "they know".

This is not a persoanl attack on you BT, it is a general attack against all of those similar in beliefs with you, including you, because you people pop up from time to time when your friends in md call for your help and then pretend "you know" even if you lost contact with whats going on for a long time, prefering to stay in your own version of what you think its md. Like i said, i am done with politeness. In fact I lost part of my patience back then with the Amoran conflict, that was in fact initiated by YOU, through Logan, then amoran ended up the black sheep voicing your fancy ideas.


[b]Regarding Blackwoodforest , I will revert his status later today, by demand of the king. Only thing I ask is for the kings not to play to much with this excummunication/reverting back thing. Think twice before acting once.[/b]

I woke up on the wrong side of the bed....

[quote name='Blackthorn']
As a note outside of character...I am rather dismayed at the poor and neglected condition I have found the game to be in since I returned...I have seen so few new players and even fewer active veterans. Part of the problem as I see it, is due to there being very little to role-play about. I understand Mur that you have a great need to control us for your own purpose...but I still do not understand why. You have Imagination as one of the principles of this realm, but we are told not to express it in this way or in that. The sheer number of Rules is astounding, and to be honest, I do not have the time to keep up with them all. Imagination is about freedom not control. So why so much control and intimidation? I am not writing this to disparage you but to ask in an open an honest way, why? Why can we not just play the way we want, however we want. I have read what you have written about the subject, and more...still I do not understand you or your need to control us. Why do we need kings, or a jail...not that I don't like this one...could use some curtains though, and a window to go with it...? I understand you are behind it all, but I still cannot understand your motives. At least I hope I do not...for I am acting under the assumption that you want the game to succeed. From what I see however, it seems to be dying.
[/quote]

As much as i wish to stay and just look at what the result of this will be, i have to answer when you derail from the subject by using myself and "how bad md became" neverending excuse to "make a point".
If you plan to reply me and continue this rant about how bad my influence is on md, please do so in a separate thread so that we can discuss it without using this side topic to hide the real discussion here, about LR.
[b](mods pls split this if it continues)[/b]



[quote name='Blackthorn']...I have seen so few new players and even fewer active veterans..[/quote]

You will be surprised why. First of all, the financial situation prevents me from keeping any onstant advertisig for md, except on the sites that i own. In better time i would flood the internet with ads, but now i can't.
Second, the few new that come every day, end up in a network of fake friends that slowly start to intoxicate them about how annoying md actualy is and in a day or two they are invited to continue talks on yahoo or other messengers where that imagination you talk about is unrestricted.
Third, and i have to say this even if it will be taken as an official position to a "community driven project", GGG killed it and astral plane took it in a alternate reality...WITHOUT intending to do so at all....(i had to say it)


[quote name='Blackthorn']...very little to role-play about..[/quote]

It is your lack of involvement that creates very little to role-play about. The moment you expect someone to give you something to rp about you can stay aside and watch other players that FIND something to rp about. If you stay outside md, you only see the things that have little to do with rp.

[quote name='Blackthorn']...I understand Mur that you have a great need to control us for your own purpose...but I still do not understand why..[/quote]

You make it sound as if i am some sort of puppet master. If i wanted a puppet theater i had one by now. The things i want to control are the neverending rants and bitching about how bad md is, and the intoxication of new players by a certain group, just because they run out of veteran players to brainwash, ..ooppss...i used same word as you did some time ago.

[quote name='Blackthorn']Why do we need kings, or a jail[/quote]

That answers your previous concern..you need them so you have something to ROLE-PLAY about. You also need them because freedom without order is generally called chaos. Thats actually some peoples problem here, they wants freedom, they want to do whatever they like, but without caring of the others. When they cant do that, they move to separate chats, or go and do it outside of md, then return and complain "how bad md became while they were away"

[quote name='Blackthorn']I understand you are behind it all, but I still cannot understand your motives[/quote]

Of course i am behind it all, didn't you knew that Yrth, Firs, Jester and Lifeline are all my alts? I am the evil tomato trying to controll all lands, its obvious. Md doesn't even exist, its just an illusion. I enjoy waking up in the morning and pull my hair out for whatever new scandal pops up. Seriously speaking, you don't understand my motives? I think you can just say you don't understand my involvement first, then say you don't understand my motives for that involvement. You assume i want to control all, just because the things that happen don't go in the direction you like them to go? This kind of mentality is an educated form of cowardness. Face the facts, handle what is happening, and stop blaming a greater force for it. If I want something in the realm, I do it, i dont need excuses.

Ontopic:
don't mistaken my support to firs and the answers against princ with a persoal friendship relationship or hate or such with any of them. I represent the higher authority the kings rely on. I respect them as leaders, because they earned their throne. I respect their citizens because they mean MD. My only problem is that ONE CITIZEN does not balance ONE KING. A king is a king because the majority of his people elected him for that. I can't allow a king to fail because he doesn't have the support or tools to rule his people and because one or the other abuse this lack of tools. (for example untill now there was no way for kings to punish citizens).

As much as i wish to reply to several affirmations above, i wont because its already to much offtopic.

- "Lets help md, just ask.." - honestly, personal feelings that try me when i read such lines, from you or others, ..i feel like ripping your heads off... I am trying to keep an official stand and be polite , as Mur, but i am kind of empty of anymore politeness now. MD is not an [i]invalid[/i] that needs your help and your favors. The only "help" it needs is to have people that stop pity it and look with superiority as if they know anything about it. MD is a machinery, not even me know everything about it, how could anyone. The people that play it, with or without financially supporting it, those are the ones that really help it. Those that pity it and come from time to time to complain that md needs help, they are the ones that destroy it, by bringing down the moral of others, pretending "they know".

This is not a persoanl attack on you BT, it is a general attack against all of those similar in beliefs with you, including you, because you people pop up from time to time when your friends in md call for your help and then pretend "you know" even if you lost contact with whats going on for a long time, prefering to stay in your own version of what you think its md. Like i said, i am done with politeness. In fact I lost part of my patience back then with the Amoran conflict, that was in fact initiated by YOU, through Logan, then amoran ended up the black sheep voicing your fancy ideas.


[b]Regarding Blackwoodforest , I will revert his status later today, by demand of the king. Only thing I ask is for the kings not to play to much with this excummunication/reverting back thing. Think twice before acting once.[/b]

Do you really think that each time a citizen gets excommunicated from his land, he should be able to call for new elections? Where is the authority of the king then? I won't randomly allow people challenge the king, they need to get enough supporters for that to happen. A king will be challenged only if his throne becomes a danger to his land, not to an individual. The moment a king will be afraid to apply his laws in his land, that moment he will become a puppet, and puppet kings are much worse than riots.

[quote]to be realistic, Firsanthalas is the king, but he doesn't have enough "army" to put me in jail[/quote]

You obviously have a wrong understanding of what a chain of command is. A king does not need an army to jail a citizen of his land. I understand your point, but it is far from making any sense in this situation. Why i say that? because it seems to me the majority of lorerootians did not riot against their king so the entire issue is more about a few that do not like the decisions of their king.


[quote]he also kicked me out of the Savelites Church just like that, where I have total support, so what's realistic in there?[/quote]

When a king uses the jail ability, that person gets out of that land, and by that he gets out of any ally, obviously.
The action of taking you out of the ally is not delierate but it is unavoidable by the excommunication.

[quote]this way he can imprison every Savelite for 2 weeks... which is really weird[/quote]

Technically, a king can ask for an entire ally to be sent away from his land. It is a "king-dom", the king can and will use force if needed. Of course it is unadvisable to do any action without a good reason, and kings know that. If a king, would randomly jail anyone that he dislikes, his authority will drop and then yes he will end up alone, which is not good. From the forum posts i saw so far, there was a good reason for everyone he jailed or plan to jail next.

Rhaegar, understand that elections are over , and continuing to disrespect the elected leader challenging his authority will end up in some sort of forcefull punishment, in md or in rl, it works the same way.

[quote]since I can get my own invite if needed, but apparently Firsanthalas can just spam me to get back into prison, so I ask for that to be normalized[/quote]

Again, you get this wrong, very wrong, the fact that you could get out of jail on your own is not something you should consider as a counter method to the excommunication. Once in jail you are no longer your kings subject, but you are in jail and braking out of there (again) will end up in muhc much worse action, this time from me. If you have a way to get into the alliance, tehnically you could do that, if you are still in jail, BUT....that will make you a citizen of LR again, and LR king specifically stated that he won't allow that. Going on this path will probably end up bad for you, because you are now an ex-citizen and he is the king.
An regarding the language, "Firsanthalas can just spam me to get back into prison" .. he isn't spamming he is just using the tools he has to reinforce a rule he has the right to put as a king. If he fails to do that on his own, it means he doesnt have enough tools to reinforce his decisions as a king so i will have to provide the needed tools eventually.


[quote]In my opinion, this last feature is role enforcing, and it isn't fitting, unless he defeats me or captures in a way,[/quote]


Unless i missunderstand what "role enforcing" means, the new king features, that were planned for a very very long time, are exactly for that. They allow kings to reinforce their decisions. If you attack a king , verbally , physically, etc, it is not called challenge it is called treason first of all, or more. Within Loreroot, you are not equal to Firsanthalas. Maybe you think you are because you have your own group of supporters , but remember that that group of supporters are under the kings authority, regardless if they like it or not.


[quote]..to your own special thing that brings many people here - that people make their own destiny in this realm without unnatural intrusions...
[/quote]

Let me put it in a simple way .. it is like freedom, freedom doesn't mean anyone can do anything to anybody, that is just chaos. Freedom means actually organized lack of freedom (damn, i will quote myself) ..
What makes md special is not that everyone can do whatever they like, but that they can do whatever they like while having a feedback or a reaction, good or bad, from the others inside it that do "whatever they like".




[quote]My goal is to rebuild Loreroot and to organize it, if you Mur and the realm give me the chance to fight for this.[/quote]


I can't agree with you on this, if you care about LR you should respect its social structure and not aim to get rid of its leader so that YOU can do something else with it. You had/have that chance from within LR, and you could have done that without fighting against something, since there was nobody against you to fight with.

Asking ME to give you a "chance" is like saying , fuck the king, fuck the other people in lr , i want things my way, lets ask mur for that directly.
That means you do not actually respect anything in lr except what directly interests you. Otherwise you should think of asking LR to give you that chance, not ask me to override them and give you absolute power over LR "just so"

...

[quote]respectfully,

Rhaegar, Grand Master of the Savelites Church. [/quote]

diplomacy and respectfull speaking is the right way to fight a king, since force is granted to them by default. To bad you know that only when talking to me..if you just used diplomacy and respect, maybe now you were not excommunicated from LR and in jail.

As much as i wish to reply to several affirmations above, i wont because its already to much offtopic.

- "Lets help md, just ask.." - honestly, personal feelings that try me when i read such lines, from you or others, ..i feel like ripping your heads off... I am trying to keep an official stand and be polite , as Mur, but i am kind of empty of anymore politeness now. MD is not an [i]invalid[/i] that needs your help and your favors. The only "help" it needs is to have people that stop pity it and look with superiority as if they know anything about it. MD is a machinery, not even me know everything about it, how could anyone. The people that play it, with or without financially supporting it, those are the ones that really help it. Those that pity it and come from time to time to complain that md needs help, they are the ones that destroy it, by bringing down the moral of others, pretending "they know".

This is not a persoanl attack on you BT, it is a general attack against all of those similar in beliefs with you, including you, because you people pop up from time to time when your friends in md call for your help and then pretend "you know" even if you lost contact with whats going on for a long time, prefering to stay in your own version of what you think its md. Like i said, i am done with politeness. In fact I lost part of my patience back then with the Amoran conflict, that was in fact initiated by YOU, through Logan, then amoran ended up the black sheep voicing your fancy ideas.


[b]Regarding Blackwoodforest , I will revert his status later today, by demand of the king. Only thing I ask is for the kings not to play to much with this excummunication/reverting back thing. Think twice before acting once.[/b]

I woke up on the wrong side of the bed....

[quote name='Blackthorn']
As a note outside of character...I am rather dismayed at the poor and neglected condition I have found the game to be in since I returned...I have seen so few new players and even fewer active veterans. Part of the problem as I see it, is due to there being very little to role-play about. I understand Mur that you have a great need to control us for your own purpose...but I still do not understand why. You have Imagination as one of the principles of this realm, but we are told not to express it in this way or in that. The sheer number of Rules is astounding, and to be honest, I do not have the time to keep up with them all. Imagination is about freedom not control. So why so much control and intimidation? I am not writing this to disparage you but to ask in an open an honest way, why? Why can we not just play the way we want, however we want. I have read what you have written about the subject, and more...still I do not understand you or your need to control us. Why do we need kings, or a jail...not that I don't like this one...could use some curtains though, and a window to go with it...? I understand you are behind it all, but I still cannot understand your motives. At least I hope I do not...for I am acting under the assumption that you want the game to succeed. From what I see however, it seems to be dying.
[/quote]

As much as i wish to stay and just look at what the result of this will be, i have to answer when you derail from the subject by using myself and "how bad md became" neverending excuse to "make a point".
If you plan to reply me and continue this rant about how bad my influence is on md, please do so in a separate thread so that we can discuss it without using this side topic to hide the real discussion here, about LR.
[b](mods pls split this if it continues)[/b]



[quote name='Blackthorn']...I have seen so few new players and even fewer active veterans..[/quote]

You will be surprised why. First of all, the financial situation prevents me from keeping any onstant advertisig for md, except on the sites that i own. In better time i would flood the internet with ads, but now i can't.
Second, the few new that come every day, end up in a network of fake friends that slowly start to intoxicate them about how annoying md actualy is and in a day or two they are invited to continue talks on yahoo or other messengers where that imagination you talk about is unrestricted.
Third, and i have to say this even if it will be taken as an official position to a "community driven project", GGG killed it and astral plane took it in a alternate reality...WITHOUT intending to do so at all....(i had to say it)


[quote name='Blackthorn']...very little to role-play about..[/quote]

It is your lack of involvement that creates very little to role-play about. The moment you expect someone to give you something to rp about you can stay aside and watch other players that FIND something to rp about. If you stay outside md, you only see the things that have little to do with rp.

[quote name='Blackthorn']...I understand Mur that you have a great need to control us for your own purpose...but I still do not understand why..[/quote]

You make it sound as if i am some sort of puppet master. If i wanted a puppet theater i had one by now. The things i want to control are the neverending rants and bitching about how bad md is, and the intoxication of new players by a certain group, just because they run out of veteran players to brainwash, ..ooppss...i used same word as you did some time ago.

[quote name='Blackthorn']Why do we need kings, or a jail[/quote]

That answers your previous concern..you need them so you have something to ROLE-PLAY about. You also need them because freedom without order is generally called chaos. Thats actually some peoples problem here, they wants freedom, they want to do whatever they like, but without caring of the others. When they cant do that, they move to separate chats, or go and do it outside of md, then return and complain "how bad md became while they were away"

[quote name='Blackthorn']I understand you are behind it all, but I still cannot understand your motives[/quote]

Of course i am behind it all, didn't you knew that Yrth, Firs, Jester and Lifeline are all my alts? I am the evil tomato trying to controll all lands, its obvious. Md doesn't even exist, its just an illusion. I enjoy waking up in the morning and pull my hair out for whatever new scandal pops up. Seriously speaking, you don't understand my motives? I think you can just say you don't understand my involvement first, then say you don't understand my motives for that involvement. You assume i want to control all, just because the things that happen don't go in the direction you like them to go? This kind of mentality is an educated form of cowardness. Face the facts, handle what is happening, and stop blaming a greater force for it. If I want something in the realm, I do it, i dont need excuses.

Ontopic:
don't mistaken my support to firs and the answers against princ with a persoal friendship relationship or hate or such with any of them. I represent the higher authority the kings rely on. I respect them as leaders, because they earned their throne. I respect their citizens because they mean MD. My only problem is that ONE CITIZEN does not balance ONE KING. A king is a king because the majority of his people elected him for that. I can't allow a king to fail because he doesn't have the support or tools to rule his people and because one or the other abuse this lack of tools. (for example untill now there was no way for kings to punish citizens).

oh so you wanted to be baned for 5-6 month...means i can take your creatures too? :D