Sharpwind

[quote name='Muratus del Mur' timestamp='1311365693' post='88628']

I need a good name for useless unidentified herbs, basically field flowers and grass that becomes hay, sort of. Its not hay..i cant find a word for it. In this way you could waste very large quantities of gathered plants to find a rare herb (need a name too)

for gathering you will need a tool , at least to hold them. There will be baskets, unless better idea comes up.

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Useless unidentified herbs = weeds.

However, the term 'weed' is highly subjective. Many consider dandelion a prolific weed and go at great lengths to poison the soil in futile attempts to get rid out it. But is a remarkable medicinal plant - the roots are used as a natural diuretic (to lower blood pressure) and liver protection. The leaves are good to stimulate digestion. It has other magical powers too.

Tools = digging stick, knife, scythe to harvest; basket to collect; drying rack/potion/solution to preserve.

If a new player has an idea, or a complaint and he's trying to participate by posting it
because he is excited or annoyed and sees a thread there for that exact reason
He gets mostly irony and negative criticism as an answer (from the same people)

I constantly read similar comments in the forum: you should know (the rules are somewhere in the chaos called announcements), we can do anything we like (as we've been given god powers you will never have and you can't do anything about it), only our ideas can get implemented (because we waited long enough??), you have to prove yourself first (?? play a hunderd years), md is only for our elite team (from one point on you'll stay stuck in the storymode get bored and leave because our puzzles are just for a few) our way is the only way (what you say does not matter), md is unfair deal with it(even if we alt abuse, even if we exploit bugs, we are in the team and don't get punished), and so on and so on....

It's an annoying attitude that disappoints and drives new players away

That's how I feel at least...

Hmm...

I'm not really sure what I should explain and why (though I guess it seems my post was not clear enough for most)

It was never my intention to offended any of you, nor was it to tell you what you expect to hear

As I said before this is how I feel, some understand others don't

Should I have posted how I felt and why ?

That was exactly what I was thinking at the time... !

If a new player has an idea, or a complaint and he's trying to participate by posting it
because he is excited or annoyed and sees a thread there for that exact reason
He gets mostly irony and negative criticism as an answer (from the same people)

I constantly read similar comments in the forum: you should know (the rules are somewhere in the chaos called announcements), we can do anything we like (as we've been given god powers you will never have and you can't do anything about it), only our ideas can get implemented (because we waited long enough??), you have to prove yourself first (?? play a hunderd years), md is only for our elite team (from one point on you'll stay stuck in the storymode get bored and leave because our puzzles are just for a few) our way is the only way (what you say does not matter), md is unfair deal with it(even if we alt abuse, even if we exploit bugs, we are in the team and don't get punished), and so on and so on....

It's an annoying attitude that disappoints and drives new players away

That's how I feel at least...

Hmm...

I'm not really sure what I should explain and why (though I guess it seems my post was not clear enough for most)

It was never my intention to offended any of you, nor was it to tell you what you expect to hear

As I said before this is how I feel, some understand others don't

Should I have posted how I felt and why ?

That was exactly what I was thinking at the time... !

I have been thinking of replying to this since it was posted, I am not active in game any longer due to personal reasons though I do check in from time to time and try and keep track of what is going on.

My perception of what Sharpwind has said rings pretty true in my experiences playing this game. I enjoyed playing for quite some time I currently have 683 days though it is more or less around the 550 mark when I stopped trying to play the game.

I have mixed feelings about my time in MD some are great some not so much. When I first started the game I didnt know alot I was finally helped and started understanding what the game was about. I had quite a few gripes with the game about the elites of which I never belonged with. I was told pretty early on that the easiest way to get "shiny" things was to make friends with certain people I personally really didnt want to do that or believe it at the time though later in experience it did feel like it was the case. Now I dont pretend I was a fantastic player role play wise but I did try. I put effort into trying to build a persona and to some extent I think it was a success, the issue I always had on that regard is that I had always thought one earned a tag with or without a description through having a well known role that was generally accepted in the wider community, I dont think I ever really obtained that level. But there are those who gained them during my time for seemingly no apparant reason, I had always thought they were supposed to be special and highly regulated but honestly some of them are just a sad joke and I always felt like a bit of a slap in the face for people who actually tried and wanted some level of validation.

There is alot of rudeness in the game which is appalling sometimes. During the Necrovion, Golemus war for After all the battling the whole land weapon thing happened. Everyone in the area who tried to follow (in RP) was teleported there except for myself. Sitting there being the only one left out does seem to make you feel a bit retarted in even trying, I did go to the location later out of my own curiosity by using the jump to leader function but still it did seem a bit sad to me personally anyway its not like there where others in my boat.

There is a huge sense in the game of only the established are worth taking time for, the people I knew that I tried to get into the game all left quite early on for this reason. There is an overwhelming sense of politics in the game that takes up a very large part of it, its bad to be different but different is what is asked for.

I dont regret my time playing the people I met kept me going for so long I think. There are some really great people. The only reason I post this is it feels like whenever someone says something unpopular everyone is up in arms defending the status quo and from my assumption of what Sharpwind has said there are many many people who feel like this just not every one has the courage to come out and agree or state it for themselves.

To Sharpwind dont let it get you down try and find your own corner of fun if you cant find something else to do MD will stay the same.

To everyone else I have little doubt you will tear my post apart and try and make me look like a fool or a greedy person and I couldnt care less this is all my personal experience and opinions if you want to try take the time to twist my words then I feel sorry for you. Perhaps I will come back into the game actively one day I am not sure I cant rule it out but I do not see it happening anytime soon.

And finally sorry for the long rant but well its good to air it out no

=D

Hmm...

I'm not really sure what I should explain and why (though I guess it seems my post was not clear enough for most)

It was never my intention to offended any of you, nor was it to tell you what you expect to hear

As I said before this is how I feel, some understand others don't

Should I have posted how I felt and why ?

That was exactly what I was thinking at the time... !

[quote name='TTLexceeded' timestamp='1307468069' post='85900']
I would like to see examples as well but I think you are exaggerating a bit. They dont have god powers, they do abide to the same rules you and I have to abide to. And they do get punished big time when they break the rules. The same way me and you will get punished.
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I think you're reading the post wrong.

It is not the question whether people have or don't have godlike powers, it is whether they act like they have godlike powers and are the official elite. It's a bloody old debate that resurfaces all the time: MD is a 'special game' that is 'not for everybody to understand or even like'. Should we be proud? Should we be haughty? Should we be disrespectful to those who try to get the game but have spent only a day or only a month on trying to get it? Do we even understand the game?

It is not about the time it takes to become accepted as elite, if such a thing even should exist or be debated. As with all subjective things, it depends on the person in question and the people regarding a person whether they're considered elite. I for one have a distinctly low opinion of some people who in all likelihood are self proclaimed or publicly heralded elite.

It is not about new people posting the same old ideas... or even about telling them they're the same old ideas. It is about telling them nicely that, unfortunately, the idea has been shot down before and then explain why. Not just say 'you don't get it because you're a noob'. And no I don't claim everybody does that all the time. Some people do, which is more than would be ideal. I am also under the impression it is not a MD only thing. The word noob wasn't created here.

[quote name='Udgard' timestamp='1307609527' post='85987']
To be honest I'm still confused what the thread is really about. Is it the shooting down of ideas, or general rudeness when doing so?

I'm not doing irony or anything, I'm honestly getting confused on which one is the issue here. Can someone please explain to me? Thx
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Going by rep, there's at least six people who think it is about rudeness. Going by content of other posters seems to indicate shooting down ideas and 'how tough it is to become elite'.

I have no idea which logic people use to arrive at the conclusion they ought to explain sharpwind about how to become 'elite'. There is no such recipe. What worked for Curiosa, our beloved example here, won't work for someone else. Trying to worship another tree is definitely not going to work either. I am pretty certain that someone who's been around long enough would realise it already and the topic starter is not brand new at all. If not, there's little hope telling it outright will suddenly work.

If I am right, those who're ranting about how to become elite/powerful are doing exactly what is considered the problem: they shoot down a topic without even thinking about what is being said. There are dozens of ways to disrespect somebody. One is to be rude directly. Another to be haughty. Or to be subtle, provoking and relentless at that. One is to refuse to listen (read) what people say and keep talking yourself. It is a tricky thing to discern between genuine mistakes and brutal lack of effort to understand. Yet if it keeps being repeated, the end result will be the same: either you assume people are lazy bums or they are incompetent fools calling themselves elites. I'm still trying to figure out which is worse, but I am positive this is the 'attitude' which is being talked about in the original post. One of the things that drives new people away. Another example of things which can be often read on the forum.

If a new player has an idea, or a complaint and he's trying to participate by posting it
because he is excited or annoyed and sees a thread there for that exact reason
He gets mostly irony and negative criticism as an answer (from the same people)

I constantly read similar comments in the forum: you should know (the rules are somewhere in the chaos called announcements), we can do anything we like (as we've been given god powers you will never have and you can't do anything about it), only our ideas can get implemented (because we waited long enough??), you have to prove yourself first (?? play a hunderd years), md is only for our elite team (from one point on you'll stay stuck in the storymode get bored and leave because our puzzles are just for a few) our way is the only way (what you say does not matter), md is unfair deal with it(even if we alt abuse, even if we exploit bugs, we are in the team and don't get punished), and so on and so on....

It's an annoying attitude that disappoints and drives new players away

That's how I feel at least...

If a new player has an idea, or a complaint and he's trying to participate by posting it
because he is excited or annoyed and sees a thread there for that exact reason
He gets mostly irony and negative criticism as an answer (from the same people)

I constantly read similar comments in the forum: you should know (the rules are somewhere in the chaos called announcements), we can do anything we like (as we've been given god powers you will never have and you can't do anything about it), only our ideas can get implemented (because we waited long enough??), you have to prove yourself first (?? play a hunderd years), md is only for our elite team (from one point on you'll stay stuck in the storymode get bored and leave because our puzzles are just for a few) our way is the only way (what you say does not matter), md is unfair deal with it(even if we alt abuse, even if we exploit bugs, we are in the team and don't get punished), and so on and so on....

It's an annoying attitude that disappoints and drives new players away

That's how I feel at least...

If a new player has an idea, or a complaint and he's trying to participate by posting it
because he is excited or annoyed and sees a thread there for that exact reason
He gets mostly irony and negative criticism as an answer (from the same people)

I constantly read similar comments in the forum: you should know (the rules are somewhere in the chaos called announcements), we can do anything we like (as we've been given god powers you will never have and you can't do anything about it), only our ideas can get implemented (because we waited long enough??), you have to prove yourself first (?? play a hunderd years), md is only for our elite team (from one point on you'll stay stuck in the storymode get bored and leave because our puzzles are just for a few) our way is the only way (what you say does not matter), md is unfair deal with it(even if we alt abuse, even if we exploit bugs, we are in the team and don't get punished), and so on and so on....

It's an annoying attitude that disappoints and drives new players away

That's how I feel at least...

If a new player has an idea, or a complaint and he's trying to participate by posting it
because he is excited or annoyed and sees a thread there for that exact reason
He gets mostly irony and negative criticism as an answer (from the same people)

I constantly read similar comments in the forum: you should know (the rules are somewhere in the chaos called announcements), we can do anything we like (as we've been given god powers you will never have and you can't do anything about it), only our ideas can get implemented (because we waited long enough??), you have to prove yourself first (?? play a hunderd years), md is only for our elite team (from one point on you'll stay stuck in the storymode get bored and leave because our puzzles are just for a few) our way is the only way (what you say does not matter), md is unfair deal with it(even if we alt abuse, even if we exploit bugs, we are in the team and don't get punished), and so on and so on....

It's an annoying attitude that disappoints and drives new players away

That's how I feel at least...

If a new player has an idea, or a complaint and he's trying to participate by posting it
because he is excited or annoyed and sees a thread there for that exact reason
He gets mostly irony and negative criticism as an answer (from the same people)

I constantly read similar comments in the forum: you should know (the rules are somewhere in the chaos called announcements), we can do anything we like (as we've been given god powers you will never have and you can't do anything about it), only our ideas can get implemented (because we waited long enough??), you have to prove yourself first (?? play a hunderd years), md is only for our elite team (from one point on you'll stay stuck in the storymode get bored and leave because our puzzles are just for a few) our way is the only way (what you say does not matter), md is unfair deal with it(even if we alt abuse, even if we exploit bugs, we are in the team and don't get punished), and so on and so on....

It's an annoying attitude that disappoints and drives new players away

That's how I feel at least...

If a new player has an idea, or a complaint and he's trying to participate by posting it
because he is excited or annoyed and sees a thread there for that exact reason
He gets mostly irony and negative criticism as an answer (from the same people)

I constantly read similar comments in the forum: you should know (the rules are somewhere in the chaos called announcements), we can do anything we like (as we've been given god powers you will never have and you can't do anything about it), only our ideas can get implemented (because we waited long enough??), you have to prove yourself first (?? play a hunderd years), md is only for our elite team (from one point on you'll stay stuck in the storymode get bored and leave because our puzzles are just for a few) our way is the only way (what you say does not matter), md is unfair deal with it(even if we alt abuse, even if we exploit bugs, we are in the team and don't get punished), and so on and so on....

It's an annoying attitude that disappoints and drives new players away

That's how I feel at least...

If a new player has an idea, or a complaint and he's trying to participate by posting it
because he is excited or annoyed and sees a thread there for that exact reason
He gets mostly irony and negative criticism as an answer (from the same people)

I constantly read similar comments in the forum: you should know (the rules are somewhere in the chaos called announcements), we can do anything we like (as we've been given god powers you will never have and you can't do anything about it), only our ideas can get implemented (because we waited long enough??), you have to prove yourself first (?? play a hunderd years), md is only for our elite team (from one point on you'll stay stuck in the storymode get bored and leave because our puzzles are just for a few) our way is the only way (what you say does not matter), md is unfair deal with it(even if we alt abuse, even if we exploit bugs, we are in the team and don't get punished), and so on and so on....

It's an annoying attitude that disappoints and drives new players away

That's how I feel at least...

If a new player has an idea, or a complaint and he's trying to participate by posting it
because he is excited or annoyed and sees a thread there for that exact reason
He gets mostly irony and negative criticism as an answer (from the same people)

I constantly read similar comments in the forum: you should know (the rules are somewhere in the chaos called announcements), we can do anything we like (as we've been given god powers you will never have and you can't do anything about it), only our ideas can get implemented (because we waited long enough??), you have to prove yourself first (?? play a hunderd years), md is only for our elite team (from one point on you'll stay stuck in the storymode get bored and leave because our puzzles are just for a few) our way is the only way (what you say does not matter), md is unfair deal with it(even if we alt abuse, even if we exploit bugs, we are in the team and don't get punished), and so on and so on....

It's an annoying attitude that disappoints and drives new players away

That's how I feel at least...

If a new player has an idea, or a complaint and he's trying to participate by posting it
because he is excited or annoyed and sees a thread there for that exact reason
He gets mostly irony and negative criticism as an answer (from the same people)

I constantly read similar comments in the forum: you should know (the rules are somewhere in the chaos called announcements), we can do anything we like (as we've been given god powers you will never have and you can't do anything about it), only our ideas can get implemented (because we waited long enough??), you have to prove yourself first (?? play a hunderd years), md is only for our elite team (from one point on you'll stay stuck in the storymode get bored and leave because our puzzles are just for a few) our way is the only way (what you say does not matter), md is unfair deal with it(even if we alt abuse, even if we exploit bugs, we are in the team and don't get punished), and so on and so on....

It's an annoying attitude that disappoints and drives new players away

That's how I feel at least...

If a new player has an idea, or a complaint and he's trying to participate by posting it
because he is excited or annoyed and sees a thread there for that exact reason
He gets mostly irony and negative criticism as an answer (from the same people)

I constantly read similar comments in the forum: you should know (the rules are somewhere in the chaos called announcements), we can do anything we like (as we've been given god powers you will never have and you can't do anything about it), only our ideas can get implemented (because we waited long enough??), you have to prove yourself first (?? play a hunderd years), md is only for our elite team (from one point on you'll stay stuck in the storymode get bored and leave because our puzzles are just for a few) our way is the only way (what you say does not matter), md is unfair deal with it(even if we alt abuse, even if we exploit bugs, we are in the team and don't get punished), and so on and so on....

It's an annoying attitude that disappoints and drives new players away

That's how I feel at least...

If a new player has an idea, or a complaint and he's trying to participate by posting it
because he is excited or annoyed and sees a thread there for that exact reason
He gets mostly irony and negative criticism as an answer (from the same people)

I constantly read similar comments in the forum: you should know (the rules are somewhere in the chaos called announcements), we can do anything we like (as we've been given god powers you will never have and you can't do anything about it), only our ideas can get implemented (because we waited long enough??), you have to prove yourself first (?? play a hunderd years), md is only for our elite team (from one point on you'll stay stuck in the storymode get bored and leave because our puzzles are just for a few) our way is the only way (what you say does not matter), md is unfair deal with it(even if we alt abuse, even if we exploit bugs, we are in the team and don't get punished), and so on and so on....

It's an annoying attitude that disappoints and drives new players away

That's how I feel at least...

If a new player has an idea, or a complaint and he's trying to participate by posting it
because he is excited or annoyed and sees a thread there for that exact reason
He gets mostly irony and negative criticism as an answer (from the same people)

I constantly read similar comments in the forum: you should know (the rules are somewhere in the chaos called announcements), we can do anything we like (as we've been given god powers you will never have and you can't do anything about it), only our ideas can get implemented (because we waited long enough??), you have to prove yourself first (?? play a hunderd years), md is only for our elite team (from one point on you'll stay stuck in the storymode get bored and leave because our puzzles are just for a few) our way is the only way (what you say does not matter), md is unfair deal with it(even if we alt abuse, even if we exploit bugs, we are in the team and don't get punished), and so on and so on....

It's an annoying attitude that disappoints and drives new players away

That's how I feel at least...

If a new player has an idea, or a complaint and he's trying to participate by posting it
because he is excited or annoyed and sees a thread there for that exact reason
He gets mostly irony and negative criticism as an answer (from the same people)

I constantly read similar comments in the forum: you should know (the rules are somewhere in the chaos called announcements), we can do anything we like (as we've been given god powers you will never have and you can't do anything about it), only our ideas can get implemented (because we waited long enough??), you have to prove yourself first (?? play a hunderd years), md is only for our elite team (from one point on you'll stay stuck in the storymode get bored and leave because our puzzles are just for a few) our way is the only way (what you say does not matter), md is unfair deal with it(even if we alt abuse, even if we exploit bugs, we are in the team and don't get punished), and so on and so on....

It's an annoying attitude that disappoints and drives new players away

That's how I feel at least...

If a new player has an idea, or a complaint and he's trying to participate by posting it
because he is excited or annoyed and sees a thread there for that exact reason
He gets mostly irony and negative criticism as an answer (from the same people)

I constantly read similar comments in the forum: you should know (the rules are somewhere in the chaos called announcements), we can do anything we like (as we've been given god powers you will never have and you can't do anything about it), only our ideas can get implemented (because we waited long enough??), you have to prove yourself first (?? play a hunderd years), md is only for our elite team (from one point on you'll stay stuck in the storymode get bored and leave because our puzzles are just for a few) our way is the only way (what you say does not matter), md is unfair deal with it(even if we alt abuse, even if we exploit bugs, we are in the team and don't get punished), and so on and so on....

It's an annoying attitude that disappoints and drives new players away

That's how I feel at least...

If a new player has an idea, or a complaint and he's trying to participate by posting it
because he is excited or annoyed and sees a thread there for that exact reason
He gets mostly irony and negative criticism as an answer (from the same people)

I constantly read similar comments in the forum: you should know (the rules are somewhere in the chaos called announcements), we can do anything we like (as we've been given god powers you will never have and you can't do anything about it), only our ideas can get implemented (because we waited long enough??), you have to prove yourself first (?? play a hunderd years), md is only for our elite team (from one point on you'll stay stuck in the storymode get bored and leave because our puzzles are just for a few) our way is the only way (what you say does not matter), md is unfair deal with it(even if we alt abuse, even if we exploit bugs, we are in the team and don't get punished), and so on and so on....

It's an annoying attitude that disappoints and drives new players away

That's how I feel at least...

If a new player has an idea, or a complaint and he's trying to participate by posting it
because he is excited or annoyed and sees a thread there for that exact reason
He gets mostly irony and negative criticism as an answer (from the same people)

I constantly read similar comments in the forum: you should know (the rules are somewhere in the chaos called announcements), we can do anything we like (as we've been given god powers you will never have and you can't do anything about it), only our ideas can get implemented (because we waited long enough??), you have to prove yourself first (?? play a hunderd years), md is only for our elite team (from one point on you'll stay stuck in the storymode get bored and leave because our puzzles are just for a few) our way is the only way (what you say does not matter), md is unfair deal with it(even if we alt abuse, even if we exploit bugs, we are in the team and don't get punished), and so on and so on....

It's an annoying attitude that disappoints and drives new players away

That's how I feel at least...