Root Admin Popular Post Chewett Posted May 30, 2013 Root Admin Popular Post Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 (edited) So soon(now) the other Moderators and i are going to be more officious with how we moderate the forums because clearly some people dislike each other enough to repeatedly attack each other on the forum. If you use a racial slur or similar, you get a ban for a period of time. This is your only warning. If you cause a conversation to descend into insults, and we as a moderation team decide it was you starting this, the topic will be locked and you get a warning. You or anyone else are free to recreate the topic, but if it descends again, it will get locked again, and the person responsible will get a warning. You can complain about things nicely, its not hard so please try. Multiple warnings = post moderator and/or banning for a period of time. BUT Its your forum, if you think the changes are wrong, tell us, we are open to discuss this, but clearly people are using the forums to vent hatred at each other and its going to stop by either banning every single user of the forum, or by people learning to speak nicely to those you dislike. I dont mind either solution. Please make comments here. Edited May 30, 2013 by Chewett Mallos, Ackshan Bemunah, dragonrider7 and 7 others 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARK DEMON Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 I totally agree with this. Vicious, Plix Plox and Eagle Eye 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Orchid Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 I fully support increased moderation, so long as it remains objective (as much as possible). It sounds like this will be a joint effort between moderators/Wookie, and I think this approach will work better than any one moderator. There have been too many toxic words exchanged - and it taints the realm/forum. I will be the first to accept responsibility for participating in this, and I hope others will carefully consider their words too (and think about their effects before clicking 'post'). Let's move forward! Plix Plox and Eagle Eye 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Root Admin Chewett Posted May 30, 2013 Author Root Admin Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 I fully support increased moderation, so long as it remains objective (as much as possible). It sounds like this will be a joint effort between moderators/Wookie, and I think this approach will work better than any one moderator. There have been too many toxic words exchanged - and it taints the realm/forum. I will be the first to accept responsibility for participating in this, and I hope others will carefully consider their words too (and think about their effects before clicking 'post'). Let's move forward! In the case that we decide a post has descended into insults, we shall discuss jointly using the report buttons as to why it happened, USE the report buttons if you have an issue with a post, we look into ALL reports. Some posts may just descend into rudeness with no apparent reason, but where we agree it was directly the cause of one user, we shall deal with it. Eagle Eye 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Eye Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 (edited) Can we do to post here in the forum not to insult the player or people. it is also my opinion Edited May 30, 2013 by Eagle Eye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menhir Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 I agree 100%. We are all "old" enough to use language not as a weapon. Language is our tool for communication with each other to understand what we like or/and dislike. After we found out we can start finding ways to get closer to each other. Of course a knife can be used to kill someone or to peal an apple it´s always up to the user. Eagle Eye 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaya Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 Such a shame this is needed, but if it helps to fix MD's main flaw so be it. Good luck. Eagle Eye 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rikstar Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 I also agree on this one. Eagle Eye 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzalocsdf95 Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 unfortunately necessary. I agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dst Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 I have a few...thingies. English is not my primary language nor do I come from a country with the culture similar to the one in West Europe (where most of the mods reside). How will I know what is rude and what is not because many time I was told that I was rude even if I haven't used a single vulgar/bad/indecent word. Also, what will you consider an "attack" towards a player? What if I open a topic, normal and calm and someone starts with the insults? Will I be blamed for it even if all did was to open a topic? Thank you in advance for the answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimrodel Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 Add a troll ban to Forum rules? Most forums have that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Change Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 Add a troll ban to Forum rules? Most forums have that. I really really really take issue with the whole concept of "trolls". Yes, trolls exist; however, too often people call other people "a troll" because they disagree with them. Then they're able to say, "Well, you're a troll. Therefore, your opinions are worthless and I'm right." Hopefully these changes will stop making some posts that I read feel like an internal court case. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARK DEMON Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 How will I know what is rude and what is not because many time I was told that I was rude even if I haven't used a single vulgar/bad/indecent word. You are smart enough to know that, dst... being rude does not only mean using vulgar/bad/indecent words, but it also refers to the tone of your post in general. There are soooo many ways to mock/bully others which are very rude, yet do not contain bad words, eg: that princess topic you created to humiliate me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Root Admin Chewett Posted May 30, 2013 Author Root Admin Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 Add a troll ban to Forum rules? Most forums have that. That is essentially what we are implementing. You troll, you get a warning, I really really really take issue with the whole concept of "trolls". Yes, trolls exist; however, too often people call other people "a troll" because they disagree with them. Then they're able to say, "Well, you're a troll. Therefore, your opinions are worthless and I'm right." Hopefully these changes will stop making some posts that I read feel like an internal court case. :P You get to decide who is a troll, so shush Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dst Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 (edited) You are smart enough to know that, dst... being rude does not only mean using vulgar/bad/indecent words, but it also refers to the tone of your post in general. There are soooo many ways to mock/bully others which are very rude, yet do not contain bad words, eg: that princess topic you created to humiliate me. And how do you decide the tone? It's writing. And again, I am not proficient enough in English (heh! I have MAJOR spelling issues as you all know) so maybe what sounds ok for me can sound rude for someone else. Who'll decide and most important HOW will decide if my tone is due to me being rude or simply not being skilled enough with the language. We are not all tarquinus, you know? Mock/bully is NOT rude. That's why they are called mock/bully and not rude. I mean, you have 3 words, each describing different things. Edited May 30, 2013 by dst No one and Kyphis the Bard 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jubaris Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 Mock/bully is NOT rude. That's why they are called mock/bully and not rude. I mean, you have 3 words, each describing different things. :D How on earth is mocking not rude (especially when you are mocking someone you are speaking with)? Troubles with language can make things difficult, but shouldn't slow you down too much. Concretely in your case, you are from Romania, and you are not that far from western European culture (this is another story, but you shouldn't have troubles in interaction). Problems with misunderstanding rudeness, I guess, can happen when two players conversing are coming from two very different cultures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burns Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 I'm generally against censoring on forums, i see us mods like the referees in a football game: the best grade we can get is unobtrusive. However, if you folks start to flame each other so much that people start to avoid the forums, we need to stop that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dst Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 :D How on earth is mocking not rude (especially when you are mocking someone you are speaking with)? Troubles with language can make things difficult, but shouldn't slow you down too much. Concretely in your case, you are from Romania, and you are not that far from western European culture (this is another story, but you shouldn't have troubles in interaction). Problems with misunderstanding rudeness, I guess, can happen when two players conversing are coming from two very different cultures. Mockery if done properly is not rude. If I compare someone to half the species from the invertebrate atlas, yes, they (the invertebrates :P) can consider I have been rude to them. As for Western Culture, you seem to forget that RO was a "closed" country until 1989 (ok, you might not know the year but it doesn't matter to much) because of the communism. You don't want to hear all the stories I have about that period of time. And you don't want to hear about the period that followed! So in terms of culture we are different. Trust me on that. Kyphis the Bard 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackshan Bemunah Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 Another forum I know has a beautiful solution... http://personalitycafe.com/spam-world/ with subforums http://personalitycafe.com/venting/ http://personalitycafe.com/gossip/ In all seriousness. Kyphis the Bard 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARK DEMON Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 (edited) And how do you decide the tone? It's not very hard to decide... rather, it's pretty straightforward and usually the people who are being rude are the ones who don't see it. Mockery if done properly is not rude. So you basically say here that all the mockery you've done with me is not done properly. ___________________________________________________________________________ Again dst, you are not stupid, quite the opposite. I'm sure you do understand... the point I'm trying to make has been conveyed. I won't speak further. Edited May 30, 2013 by DARK DEMON Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaya Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 Another forum I know has a beautiful solution... http://personalitycafe.com/spam-world/ with subforums http://personalitycafe.com/venting/ http://personalitycafe.com/gossip/ In all seriousness. You need to be logged in to view the topics. What kind of solution do they use? Mockery if done properly is not rude. If I compare someone to half the species from the invertebrate atlas, yes, they (the invertebrates :P) can consider I have been rude to them. Rude is anything that is done without respect for the other person. Mockery therefore in general is rude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dst Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 You don't understand dee dee. Just because Piss Piss was born from a idea inspired by you, it doesn't mean it was rude. If I haven't said it until now, I need to thank you. Piss Piss thanks you. Piss Piss brings me a lot of joy and lots of smiles and lots of occasional itchings from her fairy dust. How can you call her rude? You need to be logged in to view the topics. What kind of solution do they use? Rude is anything that is done without respect for the other person. Mockery therefore in general is rude. I agree: in general. But not always.+ I really hope they will not impose a rule about respect on this forum. Kyphis the Bard 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Change Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 (edited) If you use a racial slur or similar, you get a ban for a period of time. This is your only warning. For my, and everyone else's, clarification, what do you mean by 'or similar'? I'm hoping that this includes any slur that's directed at something that someone can not change (e.g. "race", gender, ethnicity, mental and/or physical disabilities, etc.). Also, dst, in the part of Canada that I'm in, almost all if not all kinds of mockery/bullying is considered rude. I'm a native English speaker who is majoring in English and even I have tons of trouble with English. :P So I do feel for you. The problem is, it's hard to tell if someone is truly ignorant, or they're pretending to be ignorant. When in doubt, don't. Anyone can feel free to PM me text to ask me how I interpret it. Edited May 30, 2013 by Change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Root Admin Chewett Posted May 30, 2013 Author Root Admin Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 For my, and everyone else's, clarification, what do you mean by 'or similar'? I'm hoping that this includes any slur that's directed at something that someone can not change (e.g. "race", gender, ethnicity, mental and/or physical disabilities, etc.). Yes, I just couldnt think of anything specifically, including sexuality, IRL stuff that doesnt need mention, and definitely doesn't need mentioning as an insult Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackshan Bemunah Posted May 30, 2013 Report Share Posted May 30, 2013 You need to be logged in to view the topics. What kind of solution do they use? Rude is anything that is done without respect for the other person. Mockery therefore in general is rude. You can actually see any of the other topics without being logged in. Another neat precaution against the whole world seeing these topics and giving themselves a bad name. There is a "spam world" subforum divided into a main forum ("general spam" though it's not called that) and a "venting" and "gossip" sections. I've had a few topics moved by mods to this section, where they prospered and were immensely enjoyed. (You don't want to know the topics. :D ) Kyphis the Bard 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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