Haotic strikes wrong documentation

[Ary Endleg]

In http://magicduel.com/pages/help.info.php?p=creatureabilities it says wrong:

 

 

Haotic Damage
The creature does damage to the target creature based on the attack attribute.
The damage has a variance of -50% to +50% extra damage.
This means that this is a very unpredictable attack that can either cause massive damage or very little.

 

Correct is in http://magicduel.com/page/Announcement/view/176

 

 

Ann. 176 Priority: 0 [2008-01-06 19:04:21 - Alpha 4]

Haotic strikes now do damage from 60% to 180% and player atack has a great role in that, the more attack youy have the more the actual attack fluctuation is. Good for unpredictable fights. (Knator, Grasans)
Formula: osc= 80% of player attack; final attack is random from attack - (osc/2) to attack + osc.

 

Meaning variance is -40% to +80%.

[Myth]

Base variance, meaning 0% on slider...

 

If slider is used, and depending on player stats, a hit can vary between 1 and a lot :p

[Ary Endleg]

Remind me what this was about, I remember something but exact stuff.

 

If slider is used it's ((Creat Att + Player added Att) -40% to +80% variance) - target def. So yes it can be 1 if target has enough def.

[Myth]

Player A = 1000 attack, 500 defense (osc = 800)

with Creature A (Haotic Strike) = 100 attack, 50 defense

 

Player B = 2000 attack, 1000 defense

with Creature B = 100 attack, 50 defense

 

100% slide bar:

 

Creature A = 1100 attack, 550 defense

Creature B = 2100 attack, 1050 defense

 

A hits B:

- min damage = attack - (osc/2) - defense = 1100-400-1050 = -350 = 1

- max damage = attack + osc - defense = 1100+800-1050 = 850

 

In any case, now that I look at it again, I don't think that what I was saying matters, because the variance refers to the value of the creature's attack power, not damage dealt.

[Ary Endleg]

Yep so it's all fine by this formula. However wasn't there some issue you brought up long time ago that math didn't work properly with outcome that was 1 damage?

[Myth]

Nope. It was an issue I had when attacking 2 imps with a tree, and the imps were acting as though the tree had no defense whatsoever, doing 90 damage (each) every time they hit. (both player sliders at 0%)

 

But that's a different issue, and I can't remember which post I mentioned it in.

[Ary Endleg]

Well I'm pretty sure somebody was complaining that haotic does 1 damage when it should do more or something. However it never got proven :S

[Chewett]

Could someone investigate this and see if its still an issue (I haven't fully read this).

[Fyrd Argentus]

Hmmmm..... 3 grassans vs 3 trees.  Round zero one of the strikes hit solidly, the rest were all 1's through 5 rounds of combat.

Fyrd Argentus's Big Bertha (575200) does haoticdamage to all creature(s) of Nepgear and:

    - hits haoticaly and does 1 damage to Reanimated Roots (862349)

and remains with 20657 vitality

    - hits haoticaly and does 178 damage to Reanimated Roots (862350)

and remains with 16422 vitality

    - hits haoticaly and does 1 damage to Reanimated Roots (867081)

and remains with 11099 vitality

F

 

This seems to be because the trees are doing a "protect" thing that gives them much bigger defense (>1000) than the attacks (few hundred points).

 

Reading deeper, the ability is discussed in the [more info] as "Martyrism / Protect".  Mis-match is between creature page that says only "martyr" and battle report that says only "protect".  Easy to get confused.

The very original post is correct in that the [more info] document (button on creature page just above Targets & Abilities) still says +/-50% where this announcement says it was changed.

Edited August 4, 2021 by Fyrd Argentus