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In Reply To Amoran's/kalamanira 9 Month Of ..efforts


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Dear Amoran,
(or Trista, since in forum you say you are OOC, whatever you like best)

Some things i will tell you are pretty obvious for most except you but since you do so much effort and agitate so much on this matter i will tell you all this (again) so that it will be clearly stated both for you and for those that hear your, sorry the expression, crap.

As far as i can see your view on the situation is that you created artworks for MD for 9 month, received RPC status, then you got screwed up and had that status taken away and your reputation trashed. Its a very disturbed view on the situation and even if maybe you enjoy posing as a victim i feel i have to try once more to explain you my view of the situation, maybe it will help you stop this bullshit and make you more ..relaxed.


1) You did not get RPC for making drawings. RPC is given based on many reasons, yours was your involvement and dedication to MD in that period, artwork creation was a bonus and if you remember our discussion back then i told you this and that your artistic skills could help you greatly with your RPC role. To get a RPC status is almost impossible (or that difficult), to HOLD it requires moral qualities that you trashed yourself, i must say with great effort and for a stupid cause.

2) You are not at all such a great artist as you like to sound you are. I am sorry i have to tell you this news. When GlorDamar was sending me your avatars along with other avatars other artists in MD created, they were acceptable, not amazing. Now that you shout so much that you worked 9 MONTH, i am very concerned all you came up with was a list of very very few avatars and an alliance logo...in 9 month! Thats beginners work. There were people sending in A LOT more artworks of amazing quality.

3) You got payed for the work i used in MD, meaning the alliance logo and the avys. If you drew anything else that Glor sent me and i am not aware of or missed to pay you any of your work that i used in MD, please let me know. (oh yes ..i think i didn't payed you that birthday cake, let me know if i should)

4) Artworks you do in private, or for your personal papers, are not my concern. You created a picture gallery where you probably listed all the drawings you ever made in your life, because i do not recall to see any other creations from you so far. You can't present them you did because they sound as beeing commissioned by me for MD and they have nothing to do with it. Thats why your topic description on those listings will change untill either you remove the ones not related to MD or you splitt them in two clearly named galleries. Your private efforts to draw something for MD do not represent work done and used in MD as you like to make it sound. A lot of players to sketches on their papers and they are not "owned by MD" they are just artworks those players did for their own use, same as you did.

5) When you fight for someones ideeas you share the outcome. You tell me now in pm that you did not believe i was stealing art as you accused me in public, and that it was all Logans ideeas...funny...i do not need to know that anymore. You fought for these theories and acted as a coward when i gave you the opportunity to talk about it and see whats on your mind. You trashed MD image on OOC discussions with other players, and continued to do so even after the situation was clearly wrong, then you were surprised you got demoted. Logan had nothing to lose because he was allready demoted for a tottaly different reason, but you were so ...i cant find other word that stupid ... that you blindly believed his crap and fought in public for ideas that were clearly wrong for most. In my view its very clear, Logan screwed you dragging you in this shit along with him. This doesn't change anything because you as well as any other human beeing able to think, are free to your own decisions and thoughts, and if you picked yours to be the ones of Logan, thats your choice and you pay for that.


Results
Your actions and the situation created by you is indeed of creat concern to the community and especialy to the Artisans Guild. I say this, because from now on i will be extra carefull to prevent such situations in the future and that will greatly affect the way future Artisans will be treated. Congratulations of almost destroying a guild that i was hoping to flourish. Don't worry, artworks sources i have plenty, and of top quality. I was hoping that in time this source to be from within MD, to make it like a ..ecosystem ..so to say. For your knowledge as an artist, when i commission artworks to an outside artist, they get payed the same, and the artworks come in packs such as 50 avys or 20 scenes, and not 15 avys in 9 month. You will soon see what i mean.
I reached the conclusion that MD is a very sensitive organism. In order for it to exist properly i must know the sources. I must know the person i am working with face to face, know him/her as a person before i know him/her as an artist.

I hope this cleared out some things for you and for others listening to your bedtime stories. If there is anything else that needs to be cleared out tell me. I do not want you to feel hunted, trashed, and that you did work for nothing and there are two reasons i see... One is that you realy believe this yourself, so i explained it here all, and one is that you like to sound you are a victim, in which case you will continue with the ranting regardless of reasons or explanations.



My RPC promotion criterias are very strict and very adaptable at the same time. You will never get there again, because your pshycho-logical profile was hiding a lot of ... instability .. that i did not taken into consideration when promoting you. Other realy potent players do not dare to dream of that status and you wasted it for stupid things. The good news for you is that RPCs will slowly vanish while the wish shop grows and any other player will have a way to get rpc abilities through their efforts and without my personal confirmation. RPC will remain as a decision/leadership group and the source for wishpoints.

My warm suggestion is to stop putting more and more crap on your reputation by posing in a victim that people clearly see you are not. If you feel so offended and wish to leave MD, nobody stops you. If you still want to continue, you also are free to do so. In case it will be ever needed, I will let others judge possible things you will do to avoid beeing subjective. I am not seeking for any revenge against you, but you clearly do. I hope i don't see after other 9 month a complain that you seeked for revange and still nothing, it would be a terrible waste of time in my opinion.


Mur

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My name for you is Mur, not Manu, you do not know me in person and you realy do not know Manu...
oh right...you fear the spotlights, no problem, i will continue this in private if you think its better..maybe you are to shy to present your rantigs for others to judge. Just do not waste my time to much because you allready did so.

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I do not have persoal issues with you. You started this public so you deserve a public answer. You try to make it now private when you fear others may realise what kind of crap you are saying. Trust me i have better things to do than fighting with you over a matter that you allready lost before you even started.

p.s. in a private convo with me i suggest you call in Logan as reinforcement or you might get confused in your own arguments lol. Sorry but after all the headache you given me i cant stop not mocking you just a little bit.

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Mur, I hate to be the one with enough testicular frotitude to say this, but this has gone on far to long. We all know what amoran did, how she did it, and what kind of person she is.

But going on further only makes you look bad, and by association, md' as well. By publicly ostracizing amoran you are just following through with her plans( intentional or not) of discrediting you and md'.

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very true, stupid me i cared to explain her anything at all. She doesn't even have something clearly to demand or argument, and the "private" discussion as she wanted it stoped, i am guessing because lack of any possible reason as usual. I do not need to have "testicular frotitude" (nice one btw) against players, i can have enough after i conclude i did everything to make myself clear. I don't need to protect my image in front of her or anyone else so i was taking my time to explain her those things, but again, useless.

Its disturbing and provoking to see someone makign such a big fuss and posing in a victim when i know the situation is not at all like that. I can't simply stand and say nothing, but its true i could end this in a more agressive way.

the one thing i am sorry is that i was planning this time to write something much more interesting than to answer to a allready defunct issue such as this.

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It's fine, Mur. We understand your frustration, but trying to help her when she does not want to be helped does not help. If shencontinues on this path deal with her in a way that you feel suitable.

And I can't wait to see what you write;)
(and thanks haha)

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[quote name='Fenrir Greycloth' date='09 August 2009 - 11:17 AM' timestamp='1249834622' post='39038']
It's fine, Manu. We understand your frustration, but trying to help her when she does not want to be helped does not help. If shencontinues on this path deal with her in a way that you feel suitable.

And I can't wait to see what you write;)
(and thanks haha)
[/quote]

Yes Fenrir, this coming from someone who tried to sucker money out of Manu and MD by sending in artwork that was not yours.

Ah yes, of course what I did was far far worse indeed. At least I drew real and physical artwork for what little "money" I earned, if you can all credits "money".

One thing is extremely clear, I am not the child in this situation and I am sick of being screwed with.

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First of all I was not aware of the being paid for the artworks, I did not quit either when I found our but this has nothing to do with that. Try dealing with this instead acting like the child you claim not to be. I was not actively seeking to destroy Mur and md'. I was not trying to get players to rebel against him.

Honestly what you were doing is far worse. Grow up, take your medicine and go to bed and rest.

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[quote name='Fenrir Greycloth' date='09 August 2009 - 10:06 PM' timestamp='1249852016' post='39081']
Burns I don't think it should be closed but a maturity check is needed.
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Grow up!

P.S.: Sorry if I'm getting on your level.. I hope you don't beat me with experience.

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