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[quote name='DARK DEMON' timestamp='1351006231' post='124530'] Timeless [/quote] Hurry

Humph. And I really noticed something good coming from this thread, too. A bunch of garbage, too, but something good. I'll try again in a while. [trimmed]

Yes, I'm stupid. Won't happen again. It makes me feel better that lashtal made the same mistake, although seems like I was the only one confused... How do I fix it?

[quote name='Dragual' timestamp='1351000106' post='124516'] Spy [/quote] Accidental

[quote name='Seigheart' timestamp='1350994886' post='124503'] You have already succumbed to the pressure from the community? I figured you were tougher than that. [/quote] He has foresight. Problem is, at least two of us are very much capable of implosion.

[quote name='Chewett' timestamp='1350999896' post='124515'] editing your posts is stupid because then it completely messes up replies... [/quote] I'm stupid.

[quote name='Chewett' timestamp='1350998546' post='124512'] BFH didnt suggest anything of the sort... BFH and I were suggesting the system that was eventually coded by dark raptor... and exists currently. As i said, it was and still is a private ongoing discussion with various important people... The whole topic is actually based on something i am pretty sure you have misread... something which has not even reached a point of publicly asking for help... We are not looking for any coders currently lol [/quote] [size=1]Take a deep breath. Count to ten...now read the edit. I need to stop editing my posts.[/size] I don't care where it's based. I think my idea is a good idea. Maybe I was wrong about having your support...oh well, miscommunication.

[quote name='DarkRaptor' timestamp='1350981208' post='124493'] Would this "interface for requesting quest rewards" be much different from the one available for the TK sponsorship requests? darkraptor [/quote] It would be different in that the existing system is for quests that are going to happen, have been fully planned, have rewards already, i.e. are viable for TK sponsorship. [quote name='Chewett'] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Indeed i did, a [/font][/color][b]private[/b][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif] conversation with the respective important TK members which was discussing some of the issues before publically putting it on the forum...[/font][/color] [/quote] I respect this, but seeing the conversation that was going on, considered it might be better not to hide. Don't worry. There may be some loud, cynical voices on the forums, but if you look at that name list, you'll realize that most if not all of it has loud voices...Have you ever been in a small room with three people yelling at you? .הכל יהיה בסדר [quote name='Chewett'] Seig(note the spelling!) ... Sieg [/quote] *feverish giggle* [quote name= 'Seigheart'] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Just to inform the public, this PM was started long before I quit, and I have no control or influence over the TKs. It was revived due, in part, to Fang's indecisive sponsorships to help him control his... "spending" of the treasury.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]I have no official role within the TKs, and what ever help I offer, it is in the form of suggestions, and clarifications.[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif][/quote][/font][/color] Just saying, that help we appreciate. A lot. As far as the PMing... I didn't exactly copy-paste the conversation here. (Like I said, loud voices.) Yes, the focal point of the conversation was on incentives for questmaking. This is not a TK role, it's a Mur/Council role -- rewarding good things done for the community. And I don't think it's appropriate to say what's good for the community before it actually happens.

Okay. Chewett sent me a conversation involving Seigheart, BFH, and Fang about the qualms newbies have with quests. Two that stood out to me were trust issues associated with talking to people about the quest and with trusting people to sponsor rewards. BFH suggested an interface for requesting quest rewards from Council or something, to address the second problem. Apparently this can be done in MDScript. He also suggested questmaking incentives...I don't know yet whether it is a good idea to incentivize quest creation consistently. Thought experimenting with a few ideas about how this might work. As far as other resources...I don't know, for some reason my broken head thought it might be a good idea to include some helpful veteran names (I have no clue which ones) and (if possible) a built-in mail or built-in PMing function so you don't have to go hunting people down to start delving into what works and what doesn't with people with more of a clue. Not sure if that is more clear or just equally vague...

Thank you lashtal for clarifying what for some reason was extremely confusing for me. I just discovered that I have a rather high fever which may explain it. I wasn't even intent on debating the magnitude of the prizes, though it seems that that's a problem in the eyes of more than a couple people. [quote name='(Zl-eye-f)-nea' timestamp='1350929400' post='124461'] I actually really like that Fang ups it if more people take part, and I like that he is giving out great prizes for what he thinks are great quests. That's what he is supposed to do. If he just gives out minor prizes all the time then he might as well go sleep with the fishes because there is little point seeing as we could all do that ourselves. Z [/quote] (Mur explicitly requires TK sponsorship to always more-than-match whatever prize was already offered.) (EDIT: Like I said, Z, high fever.)

[quote name='Liberty4life' timestamp='1350925894' post='124459'] what kind of things need to get coded and how do ya mean "completely player-operated"? those two things seem contradictional to me does that means no clickies? or wut? [/quote] Clickies...would be a good thought. When I said player-operated I meant that prior communications with council suggest that this is something for players to create and maintain. MDscript falls into this category. Just nothing hardcoded, or officially sponsored, which for some odd reason was privately assumed.

For anyone interested, I'm aware of a group of players interested in bringing quest-making back into the public eye. They are looking for a coder and any other players willing to create an interface and attached support network for new players to become connected with resources to bring their quest ideas to fruition. As things stand, the system would be completely player-operated. Post here if interested or willing to help!

This needs to be updated to reflect changes in activity and role.

[quote name='Chewett' timestamp='1350919401' post='124454'] Thats even worse! giving away a darkling, shade and SW was bad enought, but adding to the prizes? thats ridiculous. As i said, anyone who wants ot be added to raise their point please pm me [/quote] I was quoting. Lashtal's call on whether to include the initial prizes. Fang's call on what exactly the sponsorship is.

[quote name='lashtal' timestamp='1350909827' post='124444'] I avoided commenting this discussion so far, knowing I could be accused of having conflicting interests... Anyway, before assuming, have you talked to Fang to know why he sponsored the quest in such a generous way? [/quote] This wasn't even my question. The original prizes were...I actually don't even remember what they were. I think there was a GG Drachorn and a soulweaver involved. (EDIT: Nope, I'm wrong.) but says Fang: [quote] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]The Prizes have changed and now they go as FOLLOWS >:3[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]1st Prize) a Darkling (que the dramatic music)[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]2nd Prize) a Shade (que the drop in bass)[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]3rd Prize) a Soulweaver (que the surprise)[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif][/quote][/font][/color] It is unclear what of this TK is sponsoring. [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Now Lashtal adjusts the prizes:[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif][quote][/font][/color] [b]Rewards[/b][color=#282828][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif] ([/font][/color][u]due to the recent upgrade in TK's sponsored rewards, I'd change it as it follows[/u][color=#282828][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]):[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]- 1st classified: a Darkling,[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]- 2nd classified: a GG drachorn,[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]- 3rd classified: a Shade,[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]- 4th classified: a Lock in Chaos stone,[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]- 5th classified: a Soulweaver,[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]- for everybody else: an aged Necrovion's creature of your choice (Unholy Priest or Tormented soul).[/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif][/quote][/font][/color] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]You can see that it is unclear what exactly TK intends to sponsor, and the fuzzy interpretation lead lashtal to (1) alter the quest and (2) alter TK's sponsorship promise.[/font][/color] [font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif][color=#282828]I am confused as to why the terminology "Prizes have changed" was used and why existing prizes were displaced, among other things.[/color][/font]

[quote name='Fang Archbane' timestamp='1350879292' post='124425'] Well see ;3 If the Council rides me like a small pony for what im currently doing, then sure, ill stop it But honestly, i can see no negative repercussions from this, as im simply egging people on to try that little bit harder :333 [/quote] I get what you're saying, but the simple fact is that the prizes were what you were, and you said "they're not that anymore, they are this". I think that's a no-no.

Well and good, but we surely aren't allowed to CHANGE the prizes... i.e. REPLACE an old prize with a new one.

[quote name='DARK DEMON' timestamp='1350830156' post='124413'] Aurum (Chemistry... urgh!) [/quote] Lux Aurumque

[quote name='DARK DEMON' timestamp='1350786796' post='124393'] Wishpoint [/quote] Quest

[quote name='Nimrodel' timestamp='1350747204' post='124373'] Kungfu panda :3 [/quote] kung pao panda

[quote name='Seigheart' timestamp='1350690340' post='124329'] Prozac [/quote] Vote Zyrxae for TK President

[quote name='Dragual' timestamp='1350669236' post='124321'] An interesting character [/quote] Interrobang

[quote name='DARK DEMON' timestamp='1350659053' post='124315'] Milk [/quote] Torture

[quote name='Nimrodel' timestamp='1350623567' post='124281'] picric acid [/quote] picnic basket

[quote name='ignnus' timestamp='1350502314' post='124186'] Genius [/quote] Pencil