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So you swear at me, and then tell me a public quest isn't made for everyone? A drawing quest isn't made for a player who draws?
I didn't say your quest was bad. It's a great quest. I said you management is urine-poor. Which it is. Your reaction is even worse, as is your inability to take responsibility for your decision.
Z

Nobody should have to PM you for the details, the details should be public if someone wants to know. It is a public quest and you're changing the prizes after it ends with no prior details that this would happen.
Where did you state there was a minimum number of entrants required or else the prizes would shift?
This is yet another example of urine-poor quest management by you which leads to people's valuable time and effort being treated like it isn't worthy. I'm annoyed, and I didn't event take part.
Z

So you swear at me, and then tell me a public quest isn't made for everyone? A drawing quest isn't made for a player who draws?
I didn't say your quest was bad. It's a great quest. I said you management is urine-poor. Which it is. Your reaction is even worse, as is your inability to take responsibility for your decision.
Z

Nobody should have to PM you for the details, the details should be public if someone wants to know. It is a public quest and you're changing the prizes after it ends with no prior details that this would happen.
Where did you state there was a minimum number of entrants required or else the prizes would shift?
This is yet another example of urine-poor quest management by you which leads to people's valuable time and effort being treated like it isn't worthy. I'm annoyed, and I didn't event take part.
Z

So you swear at me, and then tell me a public quest isn't made for everyone? A drawing quest isn't made for a player who draws?
I didn't say your quest was bad. It's a great quest. I said you management is urine-poor. Which it is. Your reaction is even worse, as is your inability to take responsibility for your decision.
Z

Nobody should have to PM you for the details, the details should be public if someone wants to know. It is a public quest and you're changing the prizes after it ends with no prior details that this would happen.
Where did you state there was a minimum number of entrants required or else the prizes would shift?
This is yet another example of urine-poor quest management by you which leads to people's valuable time and effort being treated like it isn't worthy. I'm annoyed, and I didn't event take part.
Z

Nobody should have to PM you for the details, the details should be public if someone wants to know. It is a public quest and you're changing the prizes after it ends with no prior details that this would happen.
Where did you state there was a minimum number of entrants required or else the prizes would shift?
This is yet another example of urine-poor quest management by you which leads to people's valuable time and effort being treated like it isn't worthy. I'm annoyed, and I didn't event take part.
Z

Nobody should have to PM you for the details, the details should be public if someone wants to know. It is a public quest and you're changing the prizes after it ends with no prior details that this would happen.
Where did you state there was a minimum number of entrants required or else the prizes would shift?
This is yet another example of urine-poor quest management by you which leads to people's valuable time and effort being treated like it isn't worthy. I'm annoyed, and I didn't event take part.
Z

So you swear at me, and then tell me a public quest isn't made for everyone? A drawing quest isn't made for a player who draws?
I didn't say your quest was bad. It's a great quest. I said you management is urine-poor. Which it is. Your reaction is even worse, as is your inability to take responsibility for your decision.
Z

Hi Blackshade. I did send you a PM, as you asked, but for the sake of clarity and transparency, I'll post here briefly.

1. Yes, I don't feel particularly proud for having potentially "won a WP" with only 2 participants. I don't think it should be a general thing to award WPs where there are few competitors. A counterexample would be dst's Fry Your Eyes 2 quest, where I was the only participant and dst decided to award the WP, as she didn't mention it depended on the number of entries. I think that was the reasoning behind it. Which brings point 2:
2. You did not say the prizes will change if there are not enough participants. You did not say you required a minimum of 3 for the WP to be awarded.
3. A Sharptear is usually worth 1G max, based on recent auctions (that you can find by searching "sharptear" in the search box. I've found prices ranging from 3SC to 1 GC). And since it's a totem and I have 0 fenths, it would actually cost me to obtain anything from it.
So I'm being given less of a reward for (in my opinion) way more effort put into participation that Aethon. Not meant as an offense, Aethon.

As a consequence: Please donate the sharptear totem to the Treasure Keepers, on my behalf. It would actually cost me coin in addition to the time I spent on the quest to get anything out of it.

Like you said you didn't take part. So **** off. I had already spoken to chewett about this and came to a conclusion. And as far as calling my quests a piss poor example I would like you to know they weren't made for you. And I don't care if you like them. I think all your quests are piss poor as well that's why I didn't play them. Plain and simple you didn't play the quest or make the quest so move on Z. 

So you swear at me, and then tell me a public quest isn't made for everyone? A drawing quest isn't made for a player who draws?
I didn't say your quest was bad. It's a great quest. I said you management is urine-poor. Which it is. Your reaction is even worse, as is your inability to take responsibility for your decision.
Z

Nobody should have to PM you for the details, the details should be public if someone wants to know. It is a public quest and you're changing the prizes after it ends with no prior details that this would happen.
Where did you state there was a minimum number of entrants required or else the prizes would shift?
This is yet another example of urine-poor quest management by you which leads to people's valuable time and effort being treated like it isn't worthy. I'm annoyed, and I didn't event take part.
Z

After long over do here is what will happen to this quest............................
 
Since only two people had played this quest and i required 3 there will be some chances in the rewards ( Yes changes Sorry if this upsets you guys)
The 1st place award (The WP) will not be given out due to a few reasons. (if you wish to know the reason you may pm me)
With that said 1st place goes to Aeoshattr and second place goes to Aethon..
 
Aeo will receive the maxed totemized shop archer and heat stones
Aethon will receive 1 gold and a few heat stones.
Happy late bday
 
If anyone has any problems please send a forum pm stating what your complaint is 

Name: Valoryn - ID: 246890 - Scene: 1_-2x4_3
Reason: As a citizen of Loreroot and a Guardian of the Root, I have already been guarding Wasp's Totem unofficially for over two years.

Common item:
Drum
A crude design that involves branches and what looks to be skin. It it too hard and it may fall to pieces.
should be:
Drum
A crude design that involves branches and what looks to be skin. It is too hard and it may fall to pieces.
Common item:
Moldy cheese
An exquisite treat for the ones appreciating the finesss of this product.
should be:
Moldy cheese
An exquisite treat for the ones appreciating the finesse of this product.
or
Moldy cheese
An exquisite treat for the ones appreciating the finess of this product.

I think the point is, we edge closer and closer to that reality all the time. In the UK for example, we now have advertising boards that scan the crowd in front of them and then deliver an advert that targets the largest population group in the crowd. ID cards and chips are constantly on the cards and under debate. Now it is a rolling rock argument certainly, but the question comes to bear - who stops the rock from rolling? You seem to have absolute faith that humanity as a whole could never go the whole hog, the people who are scared lack that faith. It's sort of ironic you talk about a religious ideal when it is only faith that separates the two viewpoints. If one took a purest view considering humanity's history, the rock is more likely to roll than not.
 
Z

In an unprecedented turn of events, Loki has decided to allow both participants.
 
The quest is awarded to Nimrodel AND MRF. This decision has by its very nature changed the parameters of the quest.
 
Well done with all of your pot banging and behind the scenes wrangling, you've obviously made an impact. Thank you to all those who got involved and voted.
 
You will each be contacted when you least expect it. No sooner. No later. When the time comes, whether you choose to participate now that you have been nominated is entirely up to you. Loki is not time constrained and is bound to no common rules of form. 
 
Anyone still wishing to join the planning team can contact me via PM in game - you may remain anonymous to all but myself if you so choose.
 
This thread can now be closed.
 
Thank you again.
 
Z

In an unprecedented turn of events, Loki has decided to allow both participants.
 
The quest is awarded to Nimrodel AND MRF. This decision has by its very nature changed the parameters of the quest.
 
Well done with all of your pot banging and behind the scenes wrangling, you've obviously made an impact. Thank you to all those who got involved and voted.
 
You will each be contacted when you least expect it. No sooner. No later. When the time comes, whether you choose to participate now that you have been nominated is entirely up to you. Loki is not time constrained and is bound to no common rules of form. 
 
Anyone still wishing to join the planning team can contact me via PM in game - you may remain anonymous to all but myself if you so choose.
 
This thread can now be closed.
 
Thank you again.
 
Z

In an unprecedented turn of events, Loki has decided to allow both participants.
 
The quest is awarded to Nimrodel AND MRF. This decision has by its very nature changed the parameters of the quest.
 
Well done with all of your pot banging and behind the scenes wrangling, you've obviously made an impact. Thank you to all those who got involved and voted.
 
You will each be contacted when you least expect it. No sooner. No later. When the time comes, whether you choose to participate now that you have been nominated is entirely up to you. Loki is not time constrained and is bound to no common rules of form. 
 
Anyone still wishing to join the planning team can contact me via PM in game - you may remain anonymous to all but myself if you so choose.
 
This thread can now be closed.
 
Thank you again.
 
Z

@Blackwood & anyone else using EH and PoL as examples. You cannot link these two. EH is a virtual land, it is OUTSIDE the standard system whilst still being INSIDE it. DoB being disbanded has nothing to do with PoL and everything to do with EH. Our alliance defends Bob but also an idea and a system that it maintains because it forced it to exist. It isn't equivalent.
 
Now Ive cleared that up...
 
I'm in favour of the wasteland option - but to do so, the design of the land would have to change, degrade, so in my mind this is also a technical change. That leaves only the close the land option as a choice.
 
On another note: What does everyone think an alliance is and represents? Maybe that is for another thread but I feel like all this talk about how the land can exist without an alliance is ignoring something. So as a prompt from my thought pattern: No Man's land is the only land where alliances are for all intent and purpose banned. To have DoB, EH was forged. That maintains the NML ruling, technically. That facet clearly points to other lands 'having' alliances, else they are potentiality, or black. I dunno, just how I'm thinking on it.
 
Z

If I offered you the red pill, would you take it? If I offered you the ingredients, could you make it?
 
Only one person will be able to take part in this quest. Please nominate/vote as a community for who you would like that to be by naming them below.
 
If you would like to be part of the planning team - please say so.
 
:excl: No further details are available at this time.* 
 
Z
 
 
 
(*those involved in the previous iteration of this quest: if I could ask for your continued trusted confidence please.)

If I offered you the red pill, would you take it? If I offered you the ingredients, could you make it?
 
Only one person will be able to take part in this quest. Please nominate/vote as a community for who you would like that to be by naming them below.
 
If you would like to be part of the planning team - please say so.
 
:excl: No further details are available at this time.* 
 
Z
 
 
 
(*those involved in the previous iteration of this quest: if I could ask for your continued trusted confidence please.)

If I offered you the red pill, would you take it? If I offered you the ingredients, could you make it?
 
Only one person will be able to take part in this quest. Please nominate/vote as a community for who you would like that to be by naming them below.
 
If you would like to be part of the planning team - please say so.
 
:excl: No further details are available at this time.* 
 
Z
 
 
 
(*those involved in the previous iteration of this quest: if I could ask for your continued trusted confidence please.)

If I offered you the red pill, would you take it? If I offered you the ingredients, could you make it?
 
Only one person will be able to take part in this quest. Please nominate/vote as a community for who you would like that to be by naming them below.
 
If you would like to be part of the planning team - please say so.
 
:excl: No further details are available at this time.* 
 
Z
 
 
 
(*those involved in the previous iteration of this quest: if I could ask for your continued trusted confidence please.)