Death Bell

Chewett, it's width, and not weight. I won't explain the difference, i think it's obvious.

You can delete this post after if you like.

once mur said when inner magic put its step into game, that inner magic wasnt made for md but md was made for inner magic, concept of inner magic.. didnt improved, even worse it went forgotten, with dismissal of rpcs, inner magic docs were unable to be redistributed, and before that happened they were just used as collectibles, principals as laws of this realm, arent used in way they were meant to be used, now they fuel tokens, they arent used anymore to think about things, to try using them for something great and unusual (inner magic), this concept with inner magic and principals was most important aspect of game which was meant to teach, made ya think, made ya use your brain...

that key element isnt only one that died, story mode... it became unimportant, not much closed locations anymore as well, poems of locations lost its meaning, nobody cares for them, signs at entrance to each land... huh? who reads it? afaik story mode was also only one that made connection of creats with us, today in md... in everyday rp how often do we have creats involved for anything? players are merchants, warriors, not circus tamers or TCG cards owners, why do i say that? simple.. creats are those days to rpers second part of game.. like Magic: The gathering is to us irl, ya trade creats, ya play some fighting that has nothin to do with ya, to fighters thats only aspect of game, now why would warrior with sword or somethin need tree to fight with? from rp view that got created in md which is realistic or godmoding one, md creats arent used in it, and in those rp situations where ya use them.. idk if it can be said that they are used as it was meant to use them

and now... adventure log died as well it seems

tell me what is AL today? what is story mode today? what are poems today? what are principals today? what is inner magic today? what is md's background story today? traces of it everywhere, but still... its used for nothing, does anyone that is older than 2 months in this game notice those things anymore? i dont think so

story mode and AL got fully replaced by papers and "casual rp" of all sorts....
poems and lands descriptions mean nothing, everyone has same opinion about every location and acts same, all they care is if location is crowded or is it remote one, thats all
principals.. another stat to grind till 1k and thats it
inner magic and background story.... wot are those?
creats? ah thats some side game inside real game to one kind of ppl to another they are whole game
this is current situation about those things in md

papers are giving big freedom to players to express themselves, yes
kings will assure human judgment on players
but lately md is getting more and more automatized, and kinda more and more towards game that is actually click to advance
md script is cool yeah but now... game can be 100% played without any contact with players, ya just roam around mainly at mdp and ggg, to improve your stats and creats, if ya want wp for something just do automated quests, but somethings keeps players socialized, is it theirs high need for socialization or are the "forgotten" parts of this game that makes them ask around when they start playing and fires up theirs curiosity? fact is that lately there didnt came much new players that stayed for longer time, and if ya ask players that are in here for longer time wot made them stay in md, wot made them keep playing, they will most likely say one of this "forgotten" parts of game

question is... if md removes those parts of game which arent used, is md then still md or is just like any other game?

idk and idc wot ya will say but i am one of those players that like revealing mystery, i wanna know wot happened next in story mode, i wanna know about inner magic and principals uses, i wanna know meaning of storymode story, meaning of AL since it had its message to tell each time, i wanna know meaning of poems, i wanna know more about creats, many creats dont have description, some creats like barren soul contain description that is related to ancient lore which got banned, and many more things, i cant think anymore if i could i would most likely wrote more, this is all i have to say for now

PS
i have been thinking about this few days ago but forgot to post it, then emerald arcanix made me remember it but then again i forgot, then lifeline made me remember it after his talk with arcanix, so i finally managed to post it, tnx guys

you can just choose all messages and say read later...

thats nothin mine 40 alts have done same with principals, and my mp3 acc had 1,5 mil of CREAT xp beat that

welcome to this side of MD hope you enjoy it here

Yeah rashes, because you have a red neck. Is it itchy?

[quote name='awiiya' date='14 October 2009 - 05:58 AM' timestamp='1255492718' post='44633']
And so it goes.

Kings are a mistake, a large mistake. No one is fit to fill the role of a King, and anyone attempting it will quickly be treated with contempt by their subjects, who will feel dejected and uncared for.

Awi
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i heard this several times now. and i must admit that the chances are high for it to happen. but it always depends on how the leadership of the land works even if there is a central king. if there is a clear structure and policy kings can succeed. it will be a challenging path and it is easy to fail at one point but lets not be to quick with these assumptions.

for some time already i was planning to start workin on game of mine own, bit by bit at a time, i have some general concept in mind already, it will be kind of strategy/rpg, not yet sure will it be mmo or single player game, that point i will decide on course of development, questionable is to make it real time or turn based, then if its real time wot should happen if two things happen at same time which should effect each other, to give one of them priority, to execute both or to make them block each other, thats wots bothering me from game type aspect

since i want it to be very realistic game with some bits of fantasy, there wont be races, player is human, but there will be cultures, nations and other aspects that will make impact on type of player, i also dont like idea of making classes, each player should get freedom to improve itself in any aspect of game, things that are in other games limited by class and level system i plan to limit by various other requirements, so it would look similar like "feats" system in nvn, but... not sure on wot should i base all of it, i must say that i dislike idea of stats, but since i cant think of any other way.. it will be complex stat system, how you advance your char it will affect your status and job abilities, etc for example veteran sailor will very unlikely be in same time best woodcuter in country, so how ya advance your char ya change many other things in progress and hopefully advance much further, buy more land, improve your home, hire others to work for you and many other things, so in other words ya are getting more power, and more power ya have more ya control, if ya get up to status of village ya can control all in it, and if ya go even further... who knows wot can happen, thing is unlike other rpg games this one as i said i want it to be more realistic, means less fights, more work, ofc ya can be warrior of sort, but merchant will be far more powerful, merchants with theirs wealth can get to positions of power much faster, but that doesnt means that thief cant brake in kill guards and merchant

on macro strategical view, game will be pretty large, big land, with many nations, resource scale would be big, if someone played stronghold then he knows that it had many resources, big economical concept, and ofc all sorts of defensive stuff to use, but this is not all, there will be way of improvement in tech, if ya have people in your land that can pull it off, why not be more advanced than your neighboar, let him invade ya with swords and then ya wipe him off with cannon the game will change a lot over time, it would be like empire earth tech wise, but tech advancement wont be achieved by spending res but by having capable people which can hit high req in specific field

now since ya got small sneak peek i ask ya to do for me few things and/or answer some questions

at which historical point should game start from?
make a list of possible stats player should have that arent related to anything except mind and body (good example: physical strenght, stamina; bad example: attack, defense)
make list of resources
make list of possible jobs
make list of possible feats/abilities
make list of useful items that will be produced (just general names no variations please becoz players ingame will be able to make variations of items during production of them)

have any other idea that could fit in? or want to add possible requirements for harvesting of each resource or uses for res, how to get better at some job, ideas of specific item production, how feats can affect each other, how stats can be used or something else is on your mind feel free to discuss

generally... i am most interested in getting huge lists stats, feats, jobs, res and item classes

2 best contributors will get wp

By not beeing egocentric

Agghhh. I DO learn though. Just in ways I can't explain nor will I attempt to.

I am glad that you do that though. That is something I respect you for.

However, how can I trust and learn from someone if I do not completely trust/respect them? How do I know what they are teaching me is something I need to learn?

Its a paradox. >.<

yes i have been here for almost a year. and i didn't know posting alot meant spam. like you say spam means off topic but my warning was given because i made 7 posts in 5 minutes.. i am really sure all of those seven posts were on topic for i was very careful not to say anything stupid or unrelated due to chewett telling me to be careful. so i am sure all those 7 posts were on topic

[quote name='DarkPriestess' date='18 November 2009 - 01:36 PM' timestamp='1258569380' post='47830']

I believe that there is no reason to have this topic growing further. We have all said what we wanted and hopefully those who care about the best for this forum and its community will understand the purpose of this thread. I do not enjoy repeating myself, but you Fenrir are pushing all us to do so because you do not have the ability to understand, read and make decent arguments.

End of rant No2.
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Why should I make an arguement when all you do is tell me that I am ranting/posting useless crap all the time?

Why should I listen to you when all you do is put me down. You have no value to me, not anymore. Especially after last night.

I may not be the best at argueing, (especially lately because of no computer access and using my iphone as my computer) but what I believe I say, and I believe it to the end because I believe I am right. Otherwise why would I believe it?

You may not understand my way of thinking, and rationalizing things, but I do. And it makes perfect sense to me.

Edit: Akasha, your posts are mostly you demanding things out of anger. There was no explanation of what you wanted, nor was there anything to suggest to us why we should listen to you. You may have an "admin" position but half of the time I see issues with you. You blow up and make responses to the extreme to players.

Something I do not like about you... Reasonable responses for reasonable actions is needed.Edit 2:

So you play MD to replace your life? Not to be entertained? You post on the forum to learn and do nothing but be serious? MD has no entertainment value to you? Wow...

[quote name='Burns' date='18 November 2009 - 01:25 PM' timestamp='1258568747' post='47827']

Either way, for those peopel who have a life, every single of those damn stupid posts is not just annoying, but wasting our time, which we could invest in writing decent stuff, or playing, ourselves, if it weren't for the spammers and peopel who fail to make decent posts an instead go and repeat themselves ten times with another 2-line-post like Fenrir...

I postively lose the interest in posting in any thread that has your name on it because it's absolutely sure that any arguments are going to get lost under the sheer ammount of repetition you are posting -.-
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Burns, I would like you to go back and look at all the posts in this topic. Every single one is on topic, and contributes. Whether or not you like what is being said isn't the question here.

Just because you don't find what I say important, I can say the same about everything everyone says. I really don't find anythign you all say important. I read it to entertain myself, not to learn.

yes i have been here for almost a year. and i didn't know posting alot meant spam. like you say spam means off topic but my warning was given because i made 7 posts in 5 minutes.. i am really sure all of those seven posts were on topic for i was very careful not to say anything stupid or unrelated due to chewett telling me to be careful. so i am sure all those 7 posts were on topic

Unless that is what the topic is called for. Like the captcha topic.

Akasha, and Z, I have been posting with a calm tongue. I am not ranting, I am argueing that targeting offtopic nonesense, and targeting spammers is different. (Apparently that is another difference you don't recognize O.o)

Target the useless posts. Warn them. Do what ever. But all I am trying to explain to you is that this forum will change, drastically. I have seen other forum mods crack down on "spam" and they ruined the atmosphere which was created by the light and fun posts people make.

If all we can do now is serious posting, then what is the point of creating a community forum? Should we change the link to the forum on the front page to "Serious Forum"? All I am trying to convince you of is that this forum will be ruined if you do this. If you start warning everyone for posting useless topics and posts.

We are all guilty of it.

Now, if you want to get rid of useless posts, get rid of them. But don't start "admin reviewing" everyone's posts because of it. There was once a socialist party that tried forcing the people from speaking out, you know what happened to them? They were all executed and imprisoned for War Crimes Against Humanity. But they still did the irreversible damage.

The thing I am argueing against is not the one liners with no purpose(the actual spam) but punishing people for 7 posts in 5 minutes(just went back and found those posts, all on topic, but didn't contribute much, but it was not spam), is beyond the call of duty for Mods.

A clean forum is nice. But don't ban/warn every one for ridiculous things such as this.

Zleiph, I meant that if everyone who posts off topic( which we are all guilty of ) gets a warning or two or how ever many it takes to be reviewed, we all would have to be reviewed, if we are given a warning for every off topic post we make.

Can you post them so that we all may know how they are decided?

Db has been ig for about three months. I've been playing for over a year now. And he has more posts than me. He spans, not me. He'll, dst spans more than I do. I bet I can go throughher posts for five minutes and fin more off topic posts.

My posts are always either responding to the topic or a post made by others. The occasional one is off topic, but it still relates to the discussion!!!

No, your understanding of what spam is, is wrong. Spam is unsolicited mail. In other words, mail that Isnt relevant.

My warnings are all for different reasons made by a single person who does not like me. Warnings are completely biased. Dst does not like me so she finds every excuse to punish me for it.

You are going to far in your outburst here. You may just be angry at something and taking it out on the rest of us, but that doesn't mean It is right for you to punish people for going off topic occasionally. I rarely go off topic compared to people like db.

The reason why you are targeting me is because you do not like what I have to say.

Was my previous post off topic? Or was it deviant from the message of the original post? If so, I would like to know what was wrong with it.

I honestly don't care about my post count. They mean nothing.

We all post offtopic, but is it actually spam? No.

Posting off topic is wrong, yes. But unless it is a constant attempt to disrupt the forum what is the point of punishing others for it?

–noun
2. (lowercase) a disruptive, esp. commercial message posted on a computer network or sent as e-mail.

Edit:

My point here is that just because one goes off topic, it doesn't mean it is bad. When you have a conversation with someone do you stay on topic all the time? No. Well, this forum is just like the game chat. We talk about a subject, and sometimes it goes off topic.

Now when someone comes in and starts trying to disrupt things by swearing constantly or by talking in caps, it is justifiable to tell them to shut up and silence them if they don't listen. Well, that is an appropriate reaction here as well. Punish those who are actually posting useless crap/ off topic posts. Not those who go off topic occasionally, because Akasha, you would get punished as well. You go off topic as much as everyone else. Except for certain people of course.

Edit 2:

I forgot to add that most posts made by anyone are off topic according to you. Most people post their reply to the original topic and then reply to others. And then those people reply to the other people's replies. That isn't wrong either

Was this course of action approved by the other admins/ mods before hand?

once again, i feel tempted to put my toes on the line XD

postive aspects: YAY, people will finally start thinking before posting crap
YAY, less stupid spam to read for me =)
YAY, people will hopefully try to stay ontopic, sometimes at least...

negative aspects:
Mod preview? that's like... you know, i think even the romanian mafia and tomato cultists have heard of free speech and such...
I think/hope that mods will leave posts with content and stuff, but that's certainly looking a bit like Big Brother...

Though i admit, he had it coming for a pretty long time LOL

Are there certain warning levels and rules one should know about now? Or are they secret? Or are things being decided out of peoples mood? :/

The forum is not a 'game chat'..well , only the spammers would say it is


[quote]We talk about a subject, and sometimes it goes off topic. [/quote]

Wrong! spam means offtopic, that's why there are mods and admins to scream at you to stay ON topic.

[quote]Punish those who are actually posting useless crap/ off topic posts.
Not those who go off topic occasionally, because Akasha, you would get punished as well [/quote]

That is exactly what i am doing now..punishing those that get offtopic and you are one of them..considering your warning status you will get the 'preview by mods' thingy.
Occasionally is something..but when you spam constantly and you can't stop..we must stop it.

[quote]I forgot to add that most posts made by anyone are off topic according to you.[/quote]

Yes, most of DB's posts are offtopic.

at last my aim of been the first at something has been achieved lol
(dam i was so close to getting 666 posts ) but i am so happy i got a rusty haha


EDIT: could you also reset my rep points to zero?