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I was wondering if this game was still around and active.  Just thought I would say hello to anyone who remembers UP!

I was wondering if this game was still around and active.  Just thought I would say hello to anyone who remembers UP!

I believe Skill Damage should be removed. Many people would stay online more often if they didn't fear losing stat points. It is my belief that more people would play the game, and stay online for longer periods of time. I realise there are probably multiple issues as to why it was implemented, (Server load, stat farming, etc...) but i believe another route could be taken to try an ensure more people are online and playing. The days of GoE and Willow's Shop being primary training grounds has long been dead. I propose we get rid of the biggest obstacle to having a popular place to fight. Vote for skill damage to be taken out of MD! I'm not saying remove the loss cap. Just possibly instead of punishing those with too many losses, perhaps we should reward those who are able to keep balance.

[quote name='Firsanthalas' date='01 December 2009 - 02:36 PM' timestamp='1259699803' post='48859']
I'll say one thing. In my opinion (and it is only that) it seems that people are setting much tougher def rits in general. A lot of people seem concerend with getting losses and especially with tokens, are setting some rather hard def rits. Now this might sound whiny and Im waiting for a barrage of comments like 'you just aren't doing it right', or 'I don't have a problem' but I really do feel that its getting harder and harder to score wins with more mundane creatures and rits. So before you start slagging me off, build a rit with untokened and fairly unlevelled critters and start going around attacking people in general and see how you get on. And I mean attacking people at least, if not more powerful than you are, not picking off weaker prey. Please think in particular of the people that have made the transition from MP4 to MP5. Its these that are generally the most vulnerable and can find it very tough to adjust and get used to it. They very much are small fish in a big sea when they join MP5 ranks.

In the old days, there were people that would set rits that were much easier to defeat and also would look for losses from time to time. Now, it seems no MP5 wants a loss and that in itself seems contrary to the concept of balance.
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Well said sir! Someone else understands what i mean about it messing up our MD! Skill damage does, in fact, make people set up much tougher defenses for fear of losing and getting into the stat loss area. Good Point thanks bro!

I dont think ya'll are reading my post right. I didn't say remove the loss cap. Im not proposing this so i can start stat farming again. Im proposing this so that people will actually stay online more. Wasn't it great when you could log on at any time of day and find suitable people to train on and kill? Wasn't it awesome when GGG wasn't the primary training ground. What im saying is MANY PEOPLE DO NOT LEAVE THEIR CHARACTERS ONLINE WHEN THEY GET DONE PLAYING. But it used to be the norm. I think it would be an improvement to the game. I think it would keep more people online playing each day. Down with Skill Damage!

I believe Skill Damage should be removed. Many people would stay online more often if they didn't fear losing stat points. It is my belief that more people would play the game, and stay online for longer periods of time. I realise there are probably multiple issues as to why it was implemented, (Server load, stat farming, etc...) but i believe another route could be taken to try an ensure more people are online and playing. The days of GoE and Willow's Shop being primary training grounds has long been dead. I propose we get rid of the biggest obstacle to having a popular place to fight. Vote for skill damage to be taken out of MD! I'm not saying remove the loss cap. Just possibly instead of punishing those with too many losses, perhaps we should reward those who are able to keep balance.

Remove tokens is a most complexed thing to do. People have already spending a decent amount of their money to get them. If you remove them then you will somehow need to either return the credits spend on them (which is not such a good idea considering that most have tokened creatures which they did not spend one penny on them)or give something else in return. Balanacing tokens is a more reasonable request and solutions can be found such as the principle limit which it is indeed something.

Removing the loss cap, I still dot think is a good idea though since as Udgard said there is this matter or honor which was the reason why this limit was implamented, right?

Kill the Skill damage? Yes, that indeed might bring more players back into online activity and what (again) Udgard said to not count stats or wins because of the cap sounds good to me. It was also there for a reason but if you can change it slightly for the better of MD do it.

I am one of those who miss the old days when Willow's Shop was crowded by fighters, stat farmers or not. Many things could one do there, from training to learning and even (although some discourage it) roleplaying. Not to mention that in most places you would go you would see people online and also train as well. But in order to get that back, we do not just need to get skill damage gone (you can actually regain the wins if you want to, even now) but we could also use more people to get in the MD community, fighters or not.

Keep the skilldamage!

The reason Mur put skilldamge is because people were gathering so many losses, for normal players who didn't have a million losses, their honou was reduced to -'s in one attack. If you take it away, people will farm losses again.

if skill damage got removed what would keep my stats from returning to normal levels? like my attack at -400!!!

I'm with you.

I mean, if you get skill dmg for losses, you probably decide not to want them, and log of.

in exchange, it iwll be harder to get wins.., so people try to protect their balance better.., by trying to lose as les as possible.., how? by logging of..


this is a spiral which has to be broken, otherwise people will log of more, and the whole fighting part of magicduel will be ruined..

I'll say one thing. In my opinion (and it is only that) it seems that people are setting much tougher def rits in general. A lot of people seem concerend with getting losses and especially with tokens, are setting some rather hard def rits. Now this might sound whiny and Im waiting for a barrage of comments like 'you just aren't doing it right', or 'I don't have a problem' but I really do feel that its getting harder and harder to score wins with more mundane creatures and rits. So before you start slagging me off, build a rit with untokened and fairly unlevelled critters and start going around attacking people in general and see how you get on. And I mean attacking people at least, if not more powerful than you are, not picking off weaker prey. Please think in particular of the people that have made the transition from MP4 to MP5. Its these that are generally the most vulnerable and can find it very tough to adjust and get used to it. They very much are small fish in a big sea when they join MP5 ranks.

In the old days, there were people that would set rits that were much easier to defeat and also would look for losses from time to time. Now, it seems no MP5 wants a loss and that in itself seems contrary to the concept of balance.

I dont think ya'll are reading my post right. I didn't say remove the loss cap. Im not proposing this so i can start stat farming again. Im proposing this so that people will actually stay online more. Wasn't it great when you could log on at any time of day and find suitable people to train on and kill? Wasn't it awesome when GGG wasn't the primary training ground. What im saying is MANY PEOPLE DO NOT LEAVE THEIR CHARACTERS ONLINE WHEN THEY GET DONE PLAYING. But it used to be the norm. I think it would be an improvement to the game. I think it would keep more people online playing each day. Down with Skill Damage!

Sure it was for a reason, but i believe the effects of it are more damaging than what was going on before. And im not suggesting he remove the loss cap, just make it to where people wouldn't be scared to set up for 6 hours on idle. Kill the skilldamage!

[quote name='Fenrir Greycloth' date='13 September 2009 - 09:12 PM' timestamp='1252894343' post='41710']
Well now that I have read that, I am still against it. The whole point you put them on alts is to make room for other critters? Right? Leave them where they are. They are still there, you can still look at them and know that they exist right?
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So I am wrong for keeping useless(to me) creatures on my alts? Things that I've had since my earliest days, premium creatures I bought, etc?? I'm here to kill and train up my creatures, stats, and principles.

Cleaning house on your army to put creatures you'll never use on alts is not bad. Why didn't we just kill them for xp and stats?? Useless as they may be in the whole training process, they must mean something, right? They mean enough to us that we feel they should be kept. Why would we need to age things that already have (and have had) the required age to be maxed? Why did we pass on the stats and xp?? C'mon man get real.

[quote name='Fenrir Greycloth' date='13 September 2009 - 09:12 PM' timestamp='1252894343' post='41710']
Well now that I have read that, I am still against it. The whole point you put them on alts is to make room for other critters? Right? Leave them where they are. They are still there, you can still look at them and know that they exist right?
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So I am wrong for keeping useless(to me) creatures on my alts? Things that I've had since my earliest days, premium creatures I bought, etc?? I'm here to kill and train up my creatures, stats, and principles.

Cleaning house on your army to put creatures you'll never use on alts is not bad. Why didn't we just kill them for xp and stats?? Useless as they may be in the whole training process, they must mean something, right? They mean enough to us that we feel they should be kept. Why would we need to age things that already have (and have had) the required age to be maxed? Why did we pass on the stats and xp?? C'mon man get real.

[quote name='Fenrir Greycloth' date='13 September 2009 - 09:12 PM' timestamp='1252894343' post='41710']
Well now that I have read that, I am still against it. The whole point you put them on alts is to make room for other critters? Right? Leave them where they are. They are still there, you can still look at them and know that they exist right?
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So I am wrong for keeping useless(to me) creatures on my alts? Things that I've had since my earliest days, premium creatures I bought, etc?? I'm here to kill and train up my creatures, stats, and principles.

Cleaning house on your army to put creatures you'll never use on alts is not bad. Why didn't we just kill them for xp and stats?? Useless as they may be in the whole training process, they must mean something, right? They mean enough to us that we feel they should be kept. Why would we need to age things that already have (and have had) the required age to be maxed? Why did we pass on the stats and xp?? C'mon man get real.

[quote name='Fenrir Greycloth' date='13 September 2009 - 09:12 PM' timestamp='1252894343' post='41710']
Well now that I have read that, I am still against it. The whole point you put them on alts is to make room for other critters? Right? Leave them where they are. They are still there, you can still look at them and know that they exist right?
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So I am wrong for keeping useless(to me) creatures on my alts? Things that I've had since my earliest days, premium creatures I bought, etc?? I'm here to kill and train up my creatures, stats, and principles.

Cleaning house on your army to put creatures you'll never use on alts is not bad. Why didn't we just kill them for xp and stats?? Useless as they may be in the whole training process, they must mean something, right? They mean enough to us that we feel they should be kept. Why would we need to age things that already have (and have had) the required age to be maxed? Why did we pass on the stats and xp?? C'mon man get real.

[quote name='Fenrir Greycloth' date='13 September 2009 - 09:12 PM' timestamp='1252894343' post='41710']
Well now that I have read that, I am still against it. The whole point you put them on alts is to make room for other critters? Right? Leave them where they are. They are still there, you can still look at them and know that they exist right?
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So I am wrong for keeping useless(to me) creatures on my alts? Things that I've had since my earliest days, premium creatures I bought, etc?? I'm here to kill and train up my creatures, stats, and principles.

Cleaning house on your army to put creatures you'll never use on alts is not bad. Why didn't we just kill them for xp and stats?? Useless as they may be in the whole training process, they must mean something, right? They mean enough to us that we feel they should be kept. Why would we need to age things that already have (and have had) the required age to be maxed? Why did we pass on the stats and xp?? C'mon man get real.

Well now that I have read that, I am still against it. The whole point you put them on alts is to make room for other critters? Right? Leave them where they are. They are still there, you can still look at them and know that they exist right?

Lifelines alts were banned for doing something everyone does or has done. While the amount of tormenteds might have been a little ridiculous, this is another situation where i believe a little warning about the problem wouldve served better than banning. Lifeline is a very smart guy. If he would've known this was a problem he wouldve rectified it. People, come together and support one of the best players MD has ever had. And perhaps the guidelines on alt use should be revised so that others dont commit banable offenses. I don't feel like Lifeline has done anything serious enough to warrant a ban. Many have did much much worse. And keep his words true to your heart....this could be you in his situation.

And to answer the above question, my alts that i actually play were all returned (except for one slightly younger than UP, but he was a dirty mp3 and probably better for you all hes banned) Join me in helping out another great member of this community. Vote for the return of his alts.

Lifelines alts were banned for doing something everyone does or has done. While the amount of tormenteds might have been a little ridiculous, this is another situation where i believe a little warning about the problem wouldve served better than banning. Lifeline is a very smart guy. If he would've known this was a problem he wouldve rectified it. People, come together and support one of the best players MD has ever had. And perhaps the guidelines on alt use should be revised so that others dont commit banable offenses. I don't feel like Lifeline has done anything serious enough to warrant a ban. Many have did much much worse. And keep his words true to your heart....this could be you in his situation.

And to answer the above question, my alts that i actually play were all returned (except for one slightly younger than UP, but he was a dirty mp3 and probably better for you all hes banned) Join me in helping out another great member of this community. Vote for the return of his alts.

Lifelines alts were banned for doing something everyone does or has done. While the amount of tormenteds might have been a little ridiculous, this is another situation where i believe a little warning about the problem wouldve served better than banning. Lifeline is a very smart guy. If he would've known this was a problem he wouldve rectified it. People, come together and support one of the best players MD has ever had. And perhaps the guidelines on alt use should be revised so that others dont commit banable offenses. I don't feel like Lifeline has done anything serious enough to warrant a ban. Many have did much much worse. And keep his words true to your heart....this could be you in his situation.

And to answer the above question, my alts that i actually play were all returned (except for one slightly younger than UP, but he was a dirty mp3 and probably better for you all hes banned) Join me in helping out another great member of this community. Vote for the return of his alts.

Lifelines alts were banned for doing something everyone does or has done. While the amount of tormenteds might have been a little ridiculous, this is another situation where i believe a little warning about the problem wouldve served better than banning. Lifeline is a very smart guy. If he would've known this was a problem he wouldve rectified it. People, come together and support one of the best players MD has ever had. And perhaps the guidelines on alt use should be revised so that others dont commit banable offenses. I don't feel like Lifeline has done anything serious enough to warrant a ban. Many have did much much worse. And keep his words true to your heart....this could be you in his situation.

And to answer the above question, my alts that i actually play were all returned (except for one slightly younger than UP, but he was a dirty mp3 and probably better for you all hes banned) Join me in helping out another great member of this community. Vote for the return of his alts.

Ok, do i think Lightsage should be allowed to return? I would say Yes. While what he did is pretty nasty and dumb on his part (especially the repeat?? Cmon dude!), I believe there must be something the creative community of MD can come up with better than a permanent ban. I'm definately not in favor of his actions, but if you all remember last time he cheated in heads, Mur gave all those affected another shot at heads plus they received the rewards. I just don't feel hurt or affected by his cheating strongly enough to want him gone. He knows alot about MD, and on more than a few occasions has been very helpful. If he would quit abusing his powers, i know he would be an asset to the game and its players.

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