Kyphis the Bard Posted October 5, 2011 Report Posted October 5, 2011 (edited) I was looking through the 4e DND Monster Manual III today, and found an entry on page 54 for the creature Corrupted Glutton. The artwork for this creature is almost completely identical to that of the Grasan II. This particular edition of the Monster Manual was first released on June 15, 2010, however the image may have been recycled from an earlier edition. Since this image is copyrighted by Wizards of the Coast, it would be a good idea to find out which came first and why they look so identical. Here is a [url="http://www.scribd.com/doc/53745642/Monster-Manual-3"]link[/url] to a PDF of the book. The page has a document scanner so you can locate the "Corrupted Glutton" entry very quickly. [IMG]http://i56.tinypic.com/2mebcdl.jpg[/IMG] Edited October 5, 2011 by Kyphis the Bard Amoran Kalamanira Kol and Mighty Pirate 1 1
Root Admin Chewett Posted October 5, 2011 Root Admin Report Posted October 5, 2011 Hmm, The pose, face, and general charastics are the same, It looks like its been eyeballed, or traced over. With changes done. Possibly on either side, But if its DND the image may have been in existence for a while.
Shadowseeker Posted October 5, 2011 Report Posted October 5, 2011 (edited) This particular book was first printed in June 2010...do we happen to know when that monster got introduced? I mean, which monster books lists that first? Er, my mistake, for some reason I believe 3.5e holds it, but it doesn't...as weird as this sounds, it seems as if DnD copied MD... The artist is Wayne Reynolds, perhaps we should ask Mur if he got his artwork from him partially? Edited October 5, 2011 by Shadowseeker
Deatznce0 Posted October 5, 2011 Report Posted October 5, 2011 I've just done a little research myself and it seems that monster is completely new. (Meaning it only came out with that iteration of the game) Grassans were out since... the beginning of MD (If I recall correctly) so I'm guessing Grassan II wins?
Kyphis the Bard Posted October 5, 2011 Author Report Posted October 5, 2011 I've got all the 3.5 monster manuals, and haven't found it in them. However, that doesn't mean it isn't in an even earlier edition. Hopefully we had it first, since I don't want the Grasan to get a new artwork, and I don't want MD to get sued for copyright infringement
Root Admin Muratus del Mur Posted October 5, 2011 Root Admin Report Posted October 5, 2011 this saddens me. It is very likely the artist that made this artwork for me copied it from dnd. Some of his work i couldnt use because he did that and when i found out i stoped working with him and removed all artworks i found copied. However some apparently escaped me. Now i have to remove the grasan , or at least change that level. Regardless if Wizards say anything ever, i can't stand having copied art in md. And when i think this one means also the "pimped" level .. please look more into it see if other creatures are in there as well.
dst Posted October 5, 2011 Report Posted October 5, 2011 Isn't it possible to send them an e-mail and ask?
duxie Posted October 5, 2011 Report Posted October 5, 2011 [size=3][font=verdana,geneva,sans-serif]c'mon, this isn't so hard. you've gathered quite a handy population in your game - use us! [/font][/size] [size=3][font=verdana,geneva,sans-serif]make an art contest and i am sure you'll get enough pics to chose from for your new grasan II [/font][/size] [size=3][font=verdana,geneva,sans-serif]i think most would try to draw for a possibility just to see their artwork in your game... [/font][/size] Espartano 1
Pothos Posted October 5, 2011 Report Posted October 5, 2011 (edited) I have a copy of Some of the older works, including a second edition monster manual.. and I don't recal anything even remotly like the Grassan. Edit: I did a check. It's not listed.. Nothing in the C's G', or in the demon section. To be clear I am looking in copyright 1993 updated monstrous manual for AD&D 2nd edition game. It was printed in 1996 though. a tad out of date, but it keeps you safe there.. I can look even further bag into the couple other books I have, but they are even older. Edited October 5, 2011 by Pothos Brulant 1
Amoran Kalamanira Kol Posted October 5, 2011 Report Posted October 5, 2011 First.. I highly doubt that this image has been traced over in any way, shape, or form. It looks very free hand and has very clear differences from the version depicted in the DnD manual. A copied image would look literally identical in pose, shape, dress, shading, etc. I believe what you all mean to say is that the idea for the grasan was taken from this particular creature in the DnD manual. I doubt very much that the creator of the grasan artwork has any reason to trace. Also, I will say that the general idea for the shape of the grasan creature is very common so it doesn't surprise me that this has come up, especially since the illustration for the 'Corrupted Glutton' came out in 2010. Kyphis the Bard, Brulant and Xcercses 2 1
Kyphis the Bard Posted October 5, 2011 Author Report Posted October 5, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Muratus del Mur' timestamp='1317828996' post='93339'] this saddens me. It is very likely the artist that made this artwork for me copied it from dnd. Some of his work i couldnt use because he did that and when i found out i stoped working with him and removed all artworks i found copied. However some apparently escaped me. Now i have to remove the grasan , or at least change that level. Regardless if Wizards say anything ever, i can't stand having copied art in md. And when i think this one means also the "pimped" level .. please look more into it see if other creatures are in there as well. [/quote] We are looking through to see if any others turn up. Haven't found any yet, but I only have a small collection of the books myself. However, if as it looks like it turns out that you had the original image and they copied you, that would mean that They are the ones breaching copy right, and they have to change the image, not you. [quote name='Amoran Kalamanira Kol' timestamp='1317837117' post='93350'] First.. I highly doubt that this image has been traced over in any way, shape, or form. It looks very free hand and has very clear differences from the version depicted in the DnD manual. A copied image would look literally identical in pose, shape, dress, shading, etc. I believe what you all mean to say is that the idea for the grasan was taken from this particular creature in the DnD manual. I doubt very much that the creator of the grasan artwork has any reason to trace. Also, I will say that the general idea for the shape of the grasan creature is very common so it doesn't surprise me that this has come up, especially since the illustration for the 'Corrupted Glutton' came out in 2010. [/quote] Amoran, I believe you have missunderstood. It looks like DND stole the artwork from MD. In which case the Corrupted Glutton is barely changed from a grassan II. [img]http://i56.tinypic.com/2mebcdl.jpg[/img] If you compare that to the artwork for the Grasan II (which I won't upload unless Mur says I can, what with the no spoiler rules), The arms; legs; clothes; number of fingers; lines on the chest; mouth pose; eyes; head; feet; stance; are all clear reproductions. It is clear that it is not a tracing, because the creature appears to be looking slightly right instead of straight on, however it looks exactly like someone has sat in front of a picture of a Grasan II and drawn it freehand. Edited October 5, 2011 by Kyphis the Bard
Kyphis the Bard Posted October 5, 2011 Author Report Posted October 5, 2011 Just found the above artwork in the 3.0 Monster Manual II under the entry Famine Spirit. With a release date of September 1, 2002, it looks like DND had it first. The image is identical to that used in 4e Monster Manual II for the Corrupted Glutton. I've gone through my books, and haven't found any other artworks. I've been checking the few hundred avatars I have as well as creature images. I've looked through: 3.0 Monster Manual 3.0 Monster Manual II 4e Monster Manual SNS Creature Collection
Root Admin Muratus del Mur Posted October 5, 2011 Root Admin Report Posted October 5, 2011 i am glad you couldn't find it in previous work. Even if they did copied it from us (that would be sort of cool, lool) I intend to change the Grasan artwork, i can;t know that it is anywhere else and still use it in MD, sorry. Something else is interesting, "magic duel" as keywords are somehow competing with same company, Wizards of the Coast, that use the name "Magic - Duel Cards". Anyway, think of it, why would any artist that already create so many original things copy a relatively unknown artwork from a relatively unknown game and not bother to change it even a bit. I tend more to believe i was just unlucky with that particular artist (same one to make outer Necrovion - not the inner one). Shadowseeker will organize a contest I will sponsor, to replace this artwork. [i saw kyphis post only after finishing this one sry] Kyphis the Bard, Amoran Kalamanira Kol, Chewett and 1 other 3 1
Kyphis the Bard Posted October 7, 2011 Author Report Posted October 7, 2011 Request this topic to be closed. The contest can be found [url="http://magicduel.invisionzone.com/topic/10722-the-grasan-replacement/"]Here[/url].
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