His contest link:
[url="http://magicduel.invisionzone.com/topic/11575-sugar-rush/"]http://magicduel.inv...575-sugar-rush/[/url]


Moderator-created page link that shows proofs i gathered:
[url="http://magicduel.invisionzone.com/topic/11627-bhc-side-event-complaints-ask-mod-to-rename/"]http://magicduel.inv...-mod-to-rename/[/url]

i am filing a complaint against your Boss Heads Master for violating a contest policy:


[quote name='Eon' timestamp='1327759183' post='102701']


I won't be competing in it.

Use all the spells you want
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Edit:

[color=#ff0000][b]Since when an organizer was allowed to interfere in its organized contest?[/b][/color]
[i](except for Mur who had won HC, unexpectedly and/or unintentionally)[/i]

Edited February 5, 201214 yr by nadrolski

Like you said his contest link

[quote name='Eon' timestamp='1327702106' post='102649']
Sugar Rush
In this BHC Side Event fighters will battle for the legendary candy sculpture. The candy sculpture will be in the image of the champion, sculpted from a large piece of rainbow candy.
Steps to sign up
Go here: [url="http://magicduel.com...test_signup.php"]http://magicduel.com...test_signup.php[/url]
After you receive 1 pieces of candy click on the sign up button.
Date
This event starts on February 3rd at 16:00:00 server time.
Rules
For this event some places in the game are restricted to compete in. You are to stay out of GG, Tribunal, Necrovion, and places that very few players have access to. Pathkeeper, Fields of Fear, and Deeper GG (not sure what else to call it) are restricted. Story mode locations are restricted as well
1. Don't take a players heads without actually battling them.
2. Don't use bugs.
I'll be updating this later to show what the score to end stage one will be.
If I feel like I need to add a new rule or something else to the competition at a later point in time, I will.
[/quote]

Never does it say in his "OFFICIAL" Contest Thread that he wont be attacking others, or for that matter even competing. He does say it later in his thread but that doesnt signify that he isnt allowed to attack you, does it? Also even if he does have heads as i've seen him have over 1K i also dont see him gaining score, or is he?

As for the proof you brought its nothing but screenshots of Player A attacking Player B. that in no way signifies or demonstrates that he took your heads and if you did provide those it still doesnt show that he took those heads with an intent to "compete" in his own BHC. Simply demonstrate Player A attacking Player B and a "byproduct" of taking his heads.

IMO Eon hasnt cometed any crime or for that an injustice.

P.S. Is this just a complaint that can be moved from this section of forum or is it an actual attempt to push this to court?

Edited February 5, 201214 yr by Juni0r

[quote name='nadrolski' timestamp='1328404227' post='103466']
[color=#ff0000][b]Since when an organizer was allowed to interfere in its organized contest?[/b][/color]
[i](except for Mur who had won HC, unexpectedly and/or unintentionally)[/i]
[/quote]

The lawyer's office can designate anything done by mur as a random act of god. haha.

I do like people being open to starting a case but I also done like it when there is not too much of a case. I dont like eon anymore than the other person but your proof simply isnt there.
Unless he says he is not going to attack competeing players in his original post that can not be your reason for suing and from what I see I see that knowhere. The second is if he is taking heads you have to prove two things.
There is actus rea- the act bing commited ( I still have yet to see proof)
There is also mens rea- meaning guilty mind or intending to do something.

If you do want this to go to court you need definitive proof that he took heads from you. With this though he could call that he had not idea and could get away with no more than a sore wrist and told to be more carful in the future.

The next is mens rea which is going to be difficult this time. You will need to prove that he intended to do so. So consecutive attacks all that claim heads. This time it may be hard but if you can prove actus rea multiple times it can constitute mens rea becouse when the onus (Having to present evedence to clear himself) shifts to him he cant claim due cause (meaning that he took steps in order to prevent it in the future).

From what I have seen so far (not much) you dont have a case.

Edited February 6, 201214 yr by Kamisha

[quote name='Kamisha' timestamp='1328502850' post='103594']
Unless he says he is not going to attack competeing players in his original post that can not be your reason for suing and from what I see I see that knowhere.
[/quote]
So you're saying forum posts can't be used as evidence? The only difference between the original post, which people seem to think is "official", and any other one he makes is the length. The facts are:
Eon is not on the leaderboard for BHC, and has stated that he is not competing, therefore it is reasonable to believe that he is not competing.
Eon has attacked nadrolski multiple times, as shown by the screenshots provided in the other thread.
The question is whether or not Eon has taken heads from nadrolski. If so, the court is the perfect place to settle this. If not, there is no grounds for a case. Either way, I will remind you, too, that the evidence does not need to be presented before this is made into an actual case.

Edited February 6, 201214 yr by Pipstickz

[quote name='Pipstickz' timestamp='1328506636' post='103596']
So you're saying forum posts can't be used as evidence? The only difference between the original post, which people seem to think is "official", and any other one he makes is the length. The facts are:
Eon is not on the leaderboard for BHC, and has stated that he is not competing, therefore it is reasonable to believe that he is not competing.
Eon has attacked nadrolski multiple times, as shown by the screenshots provided in the other thread.
The question is whether or not Eon has taken heads from nadrolski. If so, the court is the perfect place to settle this. If not, there is no grounds for a case. Either way, I will remind you, too, that the evidence does not need to be presented before this is made into an actual case.
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I am not saying evidence needs to be shown. I am simply saying from what has been presented thus far people are making a empty accusation. I also dislike people putting words in my mouth. At NO POINT did I say fourm topics could not be used as evidence. They have been used estensivly in the past two cases of both [url="http://magicduel.com/pages/trial.jaco_vs_granos.php"]Jaco Vs Granos[/url] for Granoses admission of guilt and a little bit in [url="http://magicduel.com/pages/trial.dst_vs_fenrir.php"]dst Vs Fenrir Greycloth[/url] for additional points of slander and public testomony.

However I would suggest showing evedence with this accusation. Dont nessarly put all your cards out on the table but have some sort of proof. You are accusing an important player of a charge that could be damaging to his character. So simply if you dont show evidence here it may not even go to court. There is a reason why judges only issue warrents with sufficent additional evidence. Also with this charge and if you dont have evidence to back up your claim I see if eon likes politics at all will counter your claim with slander.

I guess the question is: is being able to take heads, but not scoring, count as "competing"?

yeah, that pretty sums up teh question.

I personnally don't like the organizer being able to influence the result of a challenge. This is not fair. .... Wait.... unfair?

[quote name='Udgard' timestamp='1328520361' post='103607']
I guess the question is: is being able to take heads, but not scoring, count as "competing"?
[/quote]

That is the accusation.
Though however how I see it is that anybody who participates in the boss heads contest also has the ability to steal heads. That is all fair and good. There are the people that are in the normal heads contest who are shooting for the bounty as well and thats all fair and good apparently as well. Though eon gets in the midst and apparently there is a uproar about that. I really dont see it though to tell you the truth. While it is an organizer any normal person in the normal heads contest could interfear and swad the result anyway they want which is another reason why I see there is not much of a case.
I also see no preticular reason to suspect that nadrolski or childofsoul were specific singled out and victimized and good luck proving that they where if thats there case.

I just see the whole thing sketchy. I mean eon attacks almost indiscriminently and if you are in the wrong place at the wrong time your fair game. I just see eon being eon.

[quote name='Udgard' timestamp='1328520361' post='103607']
I guess the question is: is being able to take heads, but not scoring, count as "competing"?
[/quote]

It would be effecting the heads contest, Since Eon specifically is attacking some people more than others it effects it.

Even if he isnt taking heads, if he is specifically attacking one person, he is weakening them, and making it harder for them to win. Really giving them a much lessened chance of winning, and effectively allowing him to pick the winner since he is the strongest and can destroy anyones chance of winning.

[size=3][font=verdana,geneva,sans-serif]i guess it's: if making a major impact on the competition is ok to the same competition and its participants?[/font][/size]

[size=3][font=verdana,geneva,sans-serif]though he never said he wont be influencing the contest, and BHC is not fair, same as HC, yes? [/font][/size]
[size=3][font=verdana,geneva,sans-serif]yet my question would be: is it really ok with MD that one person has the power to chose whom to reward and whom not for so called competitions? [/font][/size]

[size=3][font=verdana,geneva,sans-serif]bleh, on the other hand, "the opposite side people" could also influence the same competition without competing in it. not the same as Eon, but there are other ways, i guess...[/font][/size]
[size=3][font=verdana,geneva,sans-serif]i might not like him, but i can't blame him for being active and me being passive, or active only on forums *shrugs*[/font][/size]

eon is kinda like chuck norris..

and when you have worked that long, of course you are going to have power that the people that dont have said power are going to complain about.. that is usually how power works

i've been attacked by eon in the last week more times than i could count on 20 hands

there's no real way of proving he's attacking anyone any more than anyone else...

you could always try running... or spells...

but you can't really make a case when this is pretty much routine...eon walks in, kills everything, and continues on

honestly, i look at it more as a measurement of time any more.....5 eon attacks is roughly one hour, unless you're in sanctuary, where time stops


besides, i'm fairly sure that all the people involved in the case couldn't contain eon... gotta pick your battles, and personally i would pick one with someone who doesn't do a million and a half damage with the first attack


on a lighter note, CotS... i laughed for about 5 minutes from your act of god comment

As an organizer of an event, doesn't Eon have public points like Grido and the Kings had? If enough complaints come in about an "unfair" leadership of the event, he should be docked a public point. Besides that there isn't much to be done besides blowing air around.

[quote name='phantasm' timestamp='1328530461' post='103630']
As an organizer of an event, doesn't Eon have public points like Grido and the Kings had? If enough complaints come in about an "unfair" leadership of the event, he should be docked a public point. Besides that there isn't much to be done besides blowing air around.
[/quote]

Not nessarly becouse there nameisnt public points they are penalty points which are determined by murs judgment on different issues.Penalty points where docked on not public opinion but in the case that they did something wrong or failed to complete duties assigned. I even saw a fourm post put up by mur which if the kings didnt respond within 24 hours they would be docked a point. I am going to tell it straight, at the current moment there is no proof to support any claims which have been making there way into this conversation as there is no proof of specific victimization as I have already said and duxie eaither knowingly or unwittingly has agreed with.

The basic point that Ican make is that for the current moment at least you dont fulfill any of the requirments in order to have a case. You cant supply mens rea becouse you have no proof that the intent was to hurt your chances. You also cant support actus rea becouse you cant show that you where directly victimized for any reason other than being in the wrong place.

If you are there and Eon is there you should be exspecting an attack as an inevatbility unless you are fast on the mouse and have the user list refresh at the right time.

Since you have not bumped this since Feburary, i am closing this, make a new post if you still have issues