Mcvitie Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 (edited) If you feel like expressing you views and opinions upon the new dark archer abilities then please ppost them here.It should be interesting seeing how everyone feels about all of the changes. I believe the changes are GOOD.The new abilities shall give weaker players a stronger chance at defeating a more powerful, tokened, enemy army. When people get used to using them they will wish they had always had the ability to sap principles. [u]Pro's [/u] Allows weak players a higher chance of winning More varied rituals Makes a boring battle more interesting for those that like looking at battle logs [u]Con's [/u] Wasted experiance Wasted players credits No sacrificing value Will add more as soon as I can think of some Edited November 16, 2009 by Chewett Change vote to Normal either/or vote Watcher, Kyphis the Bard and Sasha Lilias 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jubaris Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 i vote for (too late since you putted the other part of the poll later on) new creature with drain ability Mur mentioned all attackers are overpowering, and he will modify chaos archer (i guess he will put that drain ability instead of damage) drain is great, it puts balance between players, weakest player can get, lets say, dst off guard (few spells would help tho ) and drain her up but it should be a new creature, lots of players spent money on archers, and its a shame to change them, they are one of the most important creatures (mur said thats the reason ok i agree but i feel a bit frustrated spending those 43$ of free credits on tokens... on archers i sacced Lore archer, hollow warrior and a knator to get those tokens on right creatures, and 2 of those 3 got new abilities...) also, drain on archers would make strong players stronger, the ones with drachorns at least... now nobody can outdamage drachorn auras and tokens except on pure brute force with stats, at least bloodpacts + chaos archers were worthy opponents Kyphis the Bard and Jester 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyphis the Bard Posted November 16, 2009 Report Share Posted November 16, 2009 Suggestion: Why not make it so that the Heretics have the option to perform a very low attack (say 1 attack for each level, ie level four would have four attack) And then adjust the values for the Bloodpact aura so that it essentially multiplies the attack value on the Heretic, with an increasing value on the aura at each level of the Bloodpact until a fully leveled Bloodpact would produce the same ritual effect on a maxed Heretic as it used to? (By the way, I am an avid supporter of the New Heretic Form, and don't really think we need a new creature to perform this role) death ray and Asterdai 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcvitie Posted November 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 [quote name='Kyphis the Bard' date='16 November 2009 - 03:06 PM' timestamp='1258383960' post='47627'] Suggestion: Why not make it so that the Heretics have the option to perform a very low attack (say 1 attack for each level, ie level four would have four attack) And then adjust the values for the Bloodpact aura so that it essentially multiplies the attack value on the Heretic, with an increasing value on the aura at each level of the Bloodpact until a fully leveled Bloodpact would produce the same ritual effect on a maxed Heretic as it used to? (By the way, I am an avid supporter of the New Heretic Form, and don't really think we need a new creature to perform this role) [/quote] Having such a low attack would do near enough no damage at all.It would be useless without hundreds of tokens so you might as well keep the new abilitys. Sasha Lilias 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elthen Airis Posted November 17, 2009 Report Share Posted November 17, 2009 The new idea is truly great. The drain ability will balance it out indeed and bring some new research material and a lot of fresh fights and rituals. Thus, everyone will be happy for keeping their archers, or sacrificing them and not losing their $ in the MD shop for the ones with tokens. Now having a reimburse for all the tokens is rather not even considerable. That will take loads of time of Mur and practically less time will be consumed for creating a new creature. So, the drain ability simply doesn't connect with an archer. The archer is supposed to use a bow, or whatever range weapon, and deal damage. The weaken defense is also acceptable, as if they hit someone's leg, so he is wounded, he would be an easier target, or however you could see that happen. But drain? I reckon there should be a new creature for the drain ability. And probably some kind of spell caster too. Sparrhawk and Jubaris 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death Bell Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 (edited) can't the archer just get his normal damage and weaken defence and add the new drain ability to that list. so people can just choose what ever ability they want their archer to do? [color=purple]Just found. It's quite annoying when you're under mod preview so your posts dont show up isnt it? - Grido[/color] Edited December 15, 2009 by Grido Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Kamil Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 chaos archers were good as ther were before, now they...are weaker, much much weaker, if dev's want to mod the creatures for balance, mod all at once, or none at all, because i could name other creatures that are way to OP.... like... savage knator on max lv, can do up to 1k damage, that is SICK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipstickz Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 Just wait until you get to MP5 >> 500 000 damage in one turn! Saaaaaaave Uuuuuussssssssssssss You know...or not... >> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dst Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 Actually, there is a problem with the archers. Check the stats at max level and you'll know what I mean. The paradox is that they still function. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipstickz Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 Dst, just because, say, an aramor doesn't have a regen stat, doesn't mean it can't use it...so I see no real problem dst and Watcher 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dst Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 If an aramor has no regen stat, it CAN NOT use it. Not to mention the confusion it causes for the new players. Also regen is the worst possible example you used. Regen is something that has nothing to do with the ability to attack while the current situation of the archers has a lot to do with attack. Personally I think it's just an error in the display not in the actual mechanism. Chewett and Watcher 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 [quote name='Elthen Airis' date='17 November 2009 - 02:06 PM' timestamp='1258492003' post='47730'] The new idea is truly great. The drain ability will balance it out indeed and bring some new research material and a lot of fresh fights and rituals. Thus, everyone will be happy for keeping their archers, or sacrificing them and not losing their $ in the MD shop for the ones with tokens. Now having a reimburse for all the tokens is rather not even considerable. That will take loads of time of Mur and practically less time will be consumed for creating a new creature. So, the drain ability simply doesn't connect with an archer. The archer is supposed to use a bow, or whatever range weapon, and deal damage. The weaken defense is also acceptable, as if they hit someone's leg, so he is wounded, he would be an easier target, or however you could see that happen. But drain? I reckon there should be a new creature for the drain ability. And probably some kind of spell caster too. [/quote] Making a creature that can drain principles will not balance things out, it will simply make people even more afraid of going idle. First they have to worry about stat damage, now they have to worry about principle damage? If the amount of principles drained was enough to worry the full tokened veterans, it would be devastating to the newer players, not to mention the lower MP levels not being able to farm principles as easily as the older players can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipstickz Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 [quote name='dst' date='11 February 2010 - 05:56 PM' timestamp='1265932564' post='54321'] If an aramor has no regen stat, it CAN NOT use it. Not to mention the confusion it causes for the new players. Also regen is the worst possible example you used. Regen is something that has nothing to do with the ability to attack while the current situation of the archers has a lot to do with attack. Personally I think it's just an error in the display not in the actual mechanism. [/quote] If you use personal stats, then yes, aramors can use regen, and archers can attack :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dst Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 I was not talking about personal stats. I was talking about archers' abilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nex Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 quick test runs shows that it's not just displaying the wrong stat, it has the wrong stat. while chaos archers will still use token/ profile stats and deal damage based on the assigned attack stat, their base damage will be a single point when used without influence, since they have an intrinsic attack stat of 0 now (or 'none' if there is any technical difference; instead they having power). it's an old and known 'bug', their ability was partly reverted, but not their stats (lower levels don't have 'weaken' like they used to, but they all have 'damage' again). and as jester indicated, the drain principle ability was deemed unbalancing and is obsolted by teh cap anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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