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If its at all possible, even a little bit possible. I second that. Z

[quote name='Guybrush Threepwood' date='07 July 2009 - 12:45 AM' timestamp='1246923917' post='36399'] When you talk about the choices depending on stats do you mean max stats or current stats? Should I be bursting before certain choices? Taking bursts so I'm valuable enough? [/quote] some are max stats and some are current, it depends on which story you are on at the time. Z

[quote name='Death Bell' date='06 July 2009 - 05:11 AM' timestamp='1246853514' post='36251'] i got a spell document ut you say rewards are different.. so what did the others get? [/quote] Yes rewards differ from person to person depending on how you respond at the end. The quest does not have a set reward due to the nature of it. What others got is not my place to tell you. If they choose to tell you, that is up to them. The reward you get for this quest is given on an individual basis. Z

From: Mysteria Blue Ode to Bob Tree that needs protection You honor us with a reflection. Seeing you with leaves Would allow me to spread the rumor that you are the King of Trees. Drink much water and grow strong And honor us with your rustling song.

TBRPG, LTBRPG, Text based role play game, Live text based role play game Z

[url="http://goanimate.com/savedMovie/0gklwWeYhxDg/"]Z's Magic Duel Movie...thing...[/url] Well...it isn't youtube...but here you go Z

lol a table of contents?? a short version?? well it will kind of miss the point but I'll try to break it down for you: Subjective success wasnt the original question. Success as abstract has no levels. Shadow's spherical action theory could be manipulated to allow ANY possibility, not only those in what may be perceived at first to be your sphere. Hitting a goal is a feeling of achievement, not success, and certainly not abstract success. Fulfilment of a purpose may have something to do with success Success may not have an abstract version, or if it does, maybe existing or not existing in and of itself is enough to be successful. I vow never to be MP5! .. so you're safe (or maybe im safe ^^ lol) Z

[quote name='No one' post='34845' date='Jun 25 2009, 05:18 PM'] is that complex enough for you ? Then lets put it simple: success = 1, failed = 0, all is binary and there is nothing in between LOL Z, shut up, or at least after you finish the the writing ... cut the first and last line, delete the rest and complete the post it is too darn long [/quote] My my arnt we grumpy today... The purpose of discussion...is to discuss and analyse one anothers points....if I were to shut up, it would add little value to the point of the thread. If you don't like to read what I write, then I am not forcing you to. Do I really need to point that out? And no. It isn't anywhere near complex enough for me. Obviously. It would be nice if you elaborated your points instead of having a tantrum. Or would you prefer nobody ever questions your points instead? I can accomodate that too if necessity dictates. Z

[quote name='dst' post='34801' date='Jun 25 2009, 03:41 PM']Yes! Bingo![/quote] Wrong website Dst....you can collect your game card at foxybingo .com, oh and don't bring your stamping markers, if you stamp the screen it won't work like it does in the halls... So wait...Mur ate the giant sandwich...and he's the tomato god...and the center of the universe...AND death??? Is Mur...the red river? Z

*points at Mur's forum avatar* Look the background is even red! ...wait...why am I charley brown? Are you suggesting im balding and short with poor fashion sense?...or are you in cahoots...and you will paint my scalp red so i look like a tomato and then ... *panics and runs for it* Z

Oh. My. God....I mean...Mur...I mean....Im so confused!!!! How could anyone do such a terrible thing as to eat the great sandwich!!...and now...we revolve around a tomato eating monster...so red is he that even in print he remains so....so gravitational that even in words he pulls other words towards him.... Fenrir, you ask him how it feels, well I ask you, who would do such a terrible thing as to eat the great and magnificent sandwich!?! :cray: He may be claimed a God...but I demand he give us our tomatoes back! I feel so cheated!!! Z (Ps - The Truth is Out There)

[quote name='Shadowseeker' post='34778' date='Jun 25 2009, 12:27 PM']Oh my holy [fill in][/quote] This explains EVERYTHING. They refer to Mur as god because he is the center of the greatest sandwich in the universe, and red because obviously he has magnificent tomatoeyness. Case Closed. Z

I would like to posit a plausible line of thought people may have for doing this... *clears throat* God is red Mur is Red Therefore Mur is God ta da. *cough* Z

IF success is the achievement of a goal, then at minimum following must be considered: What is a goal? Do we know of the goal? and who made the goal? Talos suggested this comes in various segments, so a goal can be many things defined by various sources including yourself. Talos posits 3 types of goal: Societal, "quality of Life" based and finally personal. To be the abstract, extracted fundamental of success and not just the concept of it would remove the necesity for consideration of levels. For if levels of such a thing were to exist it would remove the imbued "cellular" core that it would be. So for now I will ignore levels for those who understand that idea. As an abstract concept, this would to me mean success is simply an indicated point of finality. There is none better or worse in abstract terms, only are or are nots. Moving on from this, I have to wonder, is a goal truely 3 separate (or more) concepts? or only one? What is important for me here is the word who, and when I say who i could be meaning the universe or an individual or any influencing force...yet...perhaps even the who is an irrelivant concept. Consider breeding. Some people believe that one of the basic things about existing is to continue to exist as a species, not just on an individualised basis as leaving a mark, but also on a fuller universal basis for the sake of what is and is not or can and can't be. Now...if I were to breed, on this theory, I would be an overall success, and yet, one could say this were only success in the eyes of the universe, but it is I who performed the action. I don't want to get too elongated here so hopefully that is enough, but my point is simple, success is not anymore than one thing, and im not even sure goals have anything to do with it....and potentially lets look at Shadow's analysis for a possible solution.... IF success is the ability to specialise within your given circle of (im going to call it movement but it can be called whatever you like) "movement" then at minimum the following must be considered: How is this circle defined, who defined it, does it expand and of so when and how So here we have one individual with their circle of movement. Any action performed therein towards one specific goal is success on this basis if I am following correctly. So again this is a goal based theory, and extracting previous commentry perhaps we have the circle and the arrow as visual indicators of it. On a conceptual basis, as a non abstract, perhaps I would agree both with Talos and with Shadow....however...that wasn't the original question. Originally we wanted to find the fundamental core of success, so I am not going to speak of subjective goals, nor of arrows, indicators or circles.... Let us consider a man who cannot walk. On a spherical realm of action theory he is quite restricted, yet, I believe he can step outside of his boundary, because in effect...im not sure there really is one. Not for success in this term. Consider a bulb, it sits at the edge of a piece of tracing paper, where is the light? and then after that...where is the light? Lets not look at humans, let's take an eraser. Lets assume both erasors were created with the purpose of erasing pencil marks. Does an erasor that rubs things out well signify a successful erasor and one that does not signify an unsuccessful one? If the answer is yes then success would be the fulfillment of purpose, and the better it was at erasing, the more successful it would be, but once again we hit the trap of non abstraction. if the answer is no, then what makes the erasor successful? I might attempt to suggest the following: No matter it's movement inside, outside or around abouts it's sphere if there even is one, the erasors are completely equal in terms of success (remember the levels earlier?) if this is the case, then their being able to erase or not to is irrelivant, what is relevant is their being at all. So then...if anyone even vaguely followed that mess up there (you have to make a lot of jumps to my thought process without me scribing forever, which i appologise for) I think I would say this: On a subjective level, the fulfilment of a purpose may be the key to success, the fufillment of a goal is the key to the sensation of success but not necessarily success itself. On an abstracted level, perhaps there is not such a thing as abstracted success, or perhaps it is simply the fact that something exists or doesnt exist at all. Z

I don't mind people RPing kids where BOTH parties agreed in advance that it would be part of BOTH of their story trails (which isnt that commun in actuality, usually one person decides and the other poor sap just goes along with it). I don't mind it, but I don't like it very much either, and as for birthing scenes, I just find the whole thing ridicuilous. Z ed- for Ud - that poor sap sure isnt me. I dont go along with anything about my char i havent agreed to. Ever.

[quote name='No one' post='34472' date='Jun 23 2009, 03:28 PM'][b]success is : achieving a goal[/b] .[/quote] whose goal? and do you know of the goal? Z ed - Incidentally, what is a goal?

[quote name='Shadowseeker' post='34457' date='Jun 23 2009, 01:15 PM']Let's assume we have a plane where no time exists. How could you achieve success then, or would that be impossible?[/quote] I don't want to veer off your subject too far here, but we already live in a plane where time does not exist, and incidentally, perhaps steps would be a better description of the stated concept. The greatest success is the achievement of the goal in the smallest number of steps or incriments. I don't agree with it, as that would imply that the greatest success is achieved in the most simple way, but i would think that a more appropriate way of wording whats been said. Z

To be perfectly honest...if I took note of all the things people plant there as Bob's "friend" (ignoring that they may actually kill him...*cough*...as goodly intended as there were all the same... )...then the area would be a more dense woodland than Loreroot!!! The only one I personally acknowledge was one Garg Planted at Xmas...and that's because it was Xmas. The others, I always rip them up - Ask Sharazhad. Z

[quote name='Burns' post='34071' date='Jun 20 2009, 01:28 PM']does Akasha against Amo stop now, and we start Logan against the World to keep ourselves busy? *sighs* you know, i joyfully join such arguments if they seem to enhance something, but this seems to be going nowhere... in fact, to an even less interesting place than Amoran vs. Akasha, which had some point concerning the game at some starting point... whilst this is not concerning the game at all, it's just a guy who is really unhappy with Mur and acts out his frustration... maybe someone could at least mention some point that's game-related in any way, else this might turn to a really boring flame-thread... don't get me wrong, i love flaming, but there's gotta be some limit to it... somewhere... :lol:[/quote] Akasha was responding to Amoran not because ti was "Akasha Vs Amoran" as everyone likes to say, but in actuality because it was Amoran doing somethng that Akasha felt was/is against MD as a whole and so needed someone to stand up for it. It was not an I don't like Amoran attack. Logan is specifically being derrogatory both about MD and about Mur....and anyone else that doesn't agree with him actually which seems rather hypocritical. I'm going to say this once. This is not "unimportant" nor "silly" as certain people like to state. It's very important. It's the decision whether you stand by and let someone bad mouth something you love, or not. Z

I really couldn't agree more with what Ailith has just so aptly worded. People go on about the player base of the game, pick on Mur about how people are "dropping like flies" or how people are "Bored" well frankly it's nobody's fault but our own if we feel that way. Don't try to blame Mur for it. It's his world yes - but all that world is, is a platform for us to work with. He then chips in and adds things to that platform to increase the ease of how we work with it or to increase material gain for us, which is great. One of the amazing things about MD is how open it is to your creativity, and it LIVES on it. It isn't just about being in game and role playing, it's also about what comes from the game into your bones. For me, it acts like a muse, it makes me want to draw, to play music, to role play and to do things to let all of the other players feel that feeling I feel. Like when you meet a really cool person, and they light a fire in you. Having said that, that does NOT mean you should mess about with the atual basic structure of the game at hand, Mur controls that basic structure so that that feeling doesn't stop existing. And you sit there moaning on about how he stifles you. It makes me sick the level you are going to to try to break something and someone who has done something great. If you don't like it just go away, but you can't can you, because the fact is it still pulls you in and you can't stand that it does. Mur gave us THAT. He has handed us something absolutely phenomenal, and to sit there and moan on about how oh no he's losing people or oh no he's causing people to do this that and the other. Grow up. Now I hate telling people to Grow up, i'd prefer they grow down but when your comments are embryonic it's just ridiculous. First making up little conspiracy theories, then spreading them everywhere you can possibly put them, then when you actually have a chance to ask the man face to face about your "concerns" you run away and hide until it's too late and then you come back crying to mummy and causing a fuss. Just stop it. It's dull. I'm not swallowing it, I doubt many others are. This little game is ridiculous, have you opinions, thats not a problem, but don't try to spread them about a fundamentalist knocking on my door. You go on and on and on about how he's trying to stifle you, but he's letting you spout this rubbish for all to see on HIS game, how is that stifling you in the slightest? Logic does not fit here. It's plain to see, and you, Logan, act so pious, but I know from personal experience how unpleasant you can really be, and this pre-meditated speech of yours you so happily lay out in public doesn't fool me. Z

Immerse yourself in fabled tales of dark rooms, battle, and friendship in this choose your own story style quest. Begin on your chosen path of five, and where you end, depends on the choices you make along the way. Unless advised to do so by the text, do not PM me, everything you need to work out how to move on is marked within the text unless otherwise stated and I will not be offering any help with this, part of the quest involves you working those things out. If you see the below image, it means that your password is correct, but that there is something you need to do for the next story part to reveal itself to you. What you need to do is hinted at. Your characters' general statistics at any given time will affect whether the next story section opens when you input the password, or whether you get the following image. When you have got the correct requirements on your characters' statistics, the story will open with the password rather than seeing the below: [img]http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp238/zleiphneir/Quests/whatsnext.jpg[/img] The correct levels of said statistics are not told to you...you'll just have to work out what it is that you need to change....for example....if your life force, your VE, were very low, it may be unwise to allow you into a battle scenario.... The statistics you must hit are different for each MP level. Some people may never even see the above image, it all depends on what options you take in the story in relation to your characters statistics (VE, VP, Explorer points, Experience, Age etc etc etc) If you have questions before you start, ask me here....the rewards vary, all paths lead to knowledge. Once you finish, I will ask you a series of questions. What reward I offer you will depend on how you answer, and what questions I ask will depend on which path you ended up finishing on. To do the quest, go to the [u]Book at the Clash of Ages[/u] and Type in the word "[b]Define[/b]" Z ed- EVERY player can do this, you do not need to go anywhere special or gain access to anywhere a brand new player couldn't reach....