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KoB wasnt taken over. Lib was forced to leave and Sentinels were invited. currently cless is the leader (who has been in SoE and later in KoB for more than half a year) but yes the alliance cant stay the way it is now. as i said in the initial post there will be changes.
and dst as for other candidates who knows lets see. nobody expected Lib to go for kingship of necro as well
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Chewett and I have been discussing the kingship for a long time. We have both agreed that for a strong land a united leadership is necessary to give a clear vision and purpose to all citizens. Inner quarrels for power just weaken the land and bring unrest. We both want the best for Marind Bell and therefore will only act in its best interest and as always co-operate. The war has weakened Marind Bell and the alliances need to be restructured and rebuild. This can only be accomplished if we support each other. We have decided that I will candidate for kingship of Marind Bell.
We have agreed on the same goal, the same policy, and the same vision. I will candidate for the kingship of Marind Bell with Chewett as council leader helping, supporting and advising me.
My main task at first will be to restructure the alliances. Marind Bell alliances will expand. Up until now we only accepted “Seekers” into SoE and strong military players into KoB. KoB will stay the military alliance of Marind Bell and drastic measures will soon be taken to rebuild it. SoE on the other hand will become more player friendly and not just recruit one kind of people. We will have different sections within the alliance open to a wider range of players. There are however several factors that prevent us from making the new policy of SoE public yet. I kindly ask you to be patient and trust into the love Chewett and I have for Marind Bell.
Marind Bell will keep its tradition as homeland to all those seeking knowledge and hoping to unfold its secrets. The home of Angiens and a place for all those wishing to understand them better and seeking contact. We will improve on its history by offering new objectives for explorers and fighters alike.
This has been all decided before the introduction of kingship. So no matter who becomes king, Chewett and I will stick to what is said above. We will always make efforts to help Marind Bell flourish and pass on its legacy.
I am posting this so early because I wish for a debate. I want everybody to be clear about what I have in mind for Marind Bell. If anybody has any questions feel free to ask in this topic. -
[quote name='awiiya' date='14 October 2009 - 05:58 AM' timestamp='1255492718' post='44633']
And so it goes.
Kings are a mistake, a large mistake. No one is fit to fill the role of a King, and anyone attempting it will quickly be treated with contempt by their subjects, who will feel dejected and uncared for.
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i heard this several times now. and i must admit that the chances are high for it to happen. but it always depends on how the leadership of the land works even if there is a central king. if there is a clear structure and policy kings can succeed. it will be a challenging path and it is easy to fail at one point but lets not be to quick with these assumptions. -
[quote name='dst' date='14 October 2009 - 01:33 AM' timestamp='1255476834' post='44604']
It's not about trust. It's about the fun they provide. Lib's arguments are delicious
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glad u liked it writing that application was amazingly funny. i got really excited. but i wont repeat myself here i commented on that in the kings topic already -
i had to really pull myself together not to reply sooner but i just had to wait until the election ended. all these responses were just amazing.
to me this was a joke as most probably knew. i enjoyed writing the application even if nothing would go more into contradiction with my role. it was real fun.
but dont understand me wrong please. Lib was serious about it- Granos, Sparrhawk and Death Bell
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do not forget the second purpose behind this:
we want to force...errrr ah yes! bestow the throne of Marind Bell to the honorable dst -
the realm is boiling... u have been wondering what this is all about.
u shall not have to wait any longer. nobody dared to make his/her application public before the election and didnt wanted to face the masses and their criticism. we however are ready to face the enemy anytime. so here as promised the application for Liberty's kingship:
What was once a prosperous land with a bright future is now the twisted land of Necrovion. Deathmarrow and the Shades have tainted the land and taken it from its rightful proprietary – Ourselves. We have had enough madness and corruption in the realm! The last war in Necrovion itself has shown that very well. Such a tainting of once resourceful and sacred human lands cannot be allowed anymore. Enough with feeling helpless! Enough with feeling manipulated! Enough with feeling corrupted!
Let us turn our blade against what opposes our very nature. The pain and suffering shall end here.
Therefore I candidate for kingship of Necrovion to reclaim the land from the plague called Shades. We have all seen that shades aren’t even able to protect their own land. They failed twice not only did the Summoned Army stand no chance vs human fighters including necrovion sentinels after the war; but even a few month before it was defeated by thief’s stealing from the land. The so fearful Shade Sentinel itself could do nothing more than swear revenge and stay helpless and was only able to watch how its land got pillaged.
It is obvious that Shades are unfit and cant even reign their own land. And they corrupt everything that presents good values. We, the humans, cant allow this much longer.
Shades are useless without the humans. So I will take the necrovion alliance and cut the shades from all their supporters. Why should once peaceful and sacred lands serve as a prison for the mad? Since not too long ago we have an own prison. So all those twisted beings that support the Shades will be exiled into our own jails. Then I will tear down the wall around Necrovion and reclaim the land step by step.
If you appreciate human values and have had enough of foul creatures tormenting you and your family then join me and help restore the former prime of our civilization!
Application sponsored and written by Lifeline
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[quote name='dst' date='11 October 2009 - 09:16 PM' timestamp='1255288567' post='44403']
If Lib wins kingship for Necro I will apply for queen of MB
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i will hold u on that dst! i wrote libs application afterall xD -
ok lib got me convinced! dst for the new king of marinds bell!!!
am i drunk? no ... just corrupt i heard rumors dst wants to build a city for me -
i could just transfer the crits i care about to a friend and sac all that is worthless. then i claim i killed all my valueable crits and show the screenshot of an empty crit profile. and a few weeks later my friends sends me the crits back. if anybody asks i miraculously got them from dunno some player that gave them to me as a gift.
whats the pain in this? almost nothing. u just need to train very few crits again that lost all wins and xp. and with the ggg around wins are no problem and xp can be easly gotten as well. -
so to update this. i traded all codes and also got the time when the pms were send. but nothig works. so either i have to try all combinations possible what i cant believe because that would be impossible in team 3 or somebody gave me a wrong code.
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my candidate to inflict pain upon is no other than ... Akasha!
real torture advices and stuff that inflict pysical pain is boring. it only goes to a certain level before u pass out or... well die.
so i chose no physical pain but torment to the psyche. here are 2 links to pictures that will bring agony to Akasha:
[img]http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/4984/finalyakaamofinal.jpg[/img]
http://storenow.net/my/?f=1019
we all know a war between woman isnt over so quickly and that nothing is more easy than to inflame the rage of it again. well i guess u can see very well in the first picture what my evil idea is. the picture in the link is meant to intensify the whole thing and bring a vision of horror to Akasha.
- A torture device is about pain. The more pain your device can induce at a moment, the better.
this is intense pain to the pysche as i already said perhaps even capable of dealing permanent traumas. its an evil connection and wont give any of them peace of mind
- Torture should last long, no fun in the victim passing out after ten seconds.
this is pain until one of the 2 dies. as we all know there is no death in magicduel expect when the pain is that unbearable that u quit the game. and we all know many reasons or have seen a lot of evidence that none of the 2 involved will so easly quit the game. thereforce this is one of the longest lasting pain devices possible in my opinion.
- Public torturing and execution should impress the audience. Do not gag your victim and smother his screams.
gag? this is the very opposite. there will be plenty of screams and furious comments thrown at each other. who knows what else might follow with such a close connection. i am sure there would be quite the audience that doesnt want to miss this.
- Humor. Reading Vogon poetry to your victim is ruthless and efficient, but not funny at all.
got nothing to do with my idea.
- Magic Torture. There are dozens of torture instruments listed on the interwebs but we all have google skills. In fact we don't care much for realistic contraptions, since it is Magic Duel. Do not refrain from godmodding, we are looking for test subjects.
i think this fits to my idea
EDIT: i just want to clarify that the torture device is of course the chain Amoran holds around her wrist. that is of course not the torture ... the whole situation is the torture with the chain holding it together so that there is no escape
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Here is just an optimized version of Udgards idea:
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awesome a contest that is in the idea of the festivals of pain
sweet
i will use this for my own entertainment as well so here the idea u prolly already know:
whoever inflicts the most pain to me (my VE and stats) and my creatures with fighting wins the contest xD
spells are allowed to be cast on me however everybody who manages to bring pain to me or my crits without spells will win the contest over those using spells. for example: dst kills my ritual in 3 rounds. shadowseeker casts mirror rit on me and wins in 0 rounds. dst will be the winner because she didnt use spells. even if dst only damaged my rit and was deafeated herself she still wins because this is about pain. she brought pain to me without spells unlike shadowseeker in this example. and also because mirror ritual doesnt damage my own creatures.
if only mirror ritual ppl win then i will consider my stats loss. i will lose stats for every loss because i am badly unbalanced. so the mirrorritual user with the least rounds to win and the most stats drained from me will win.
and please keep in mind i have to have a loss in my own battle log. if u pull a win against me but there is no loss in my battle log it wont count.
it will work like this:
i will always have 0combo count on my rituals so that everybody gets the exact same challenge.
the challenger can chose if i should attack or defend. they will first have to try WITHOUT spells. after that in a second round they are allowed to use spells but only their own. all participants will have to wait until all spells from other ppl are faded away on me. however in the second round i will attack if i defended before or vice versa. i dont want a 40minutes wait and depending on the situation it might be of important strategic value if i attack or defend. so u will have to plan and consider wisely who attacks in which round.
i hope that many ppl will participate in this challenge because otherwise its no fun. no matter how strong u think i am i can only loose because everybody with mirror ritual will be able to win against me and hurt my personal stats. and think hard there are several ways to pull a win against me with these rules. this is also a chance for everybody with a grudge against me to inflict pain to me (even perm to my personal stats). so bring it on! xD -
then why do u ask these questions in ur post? i answered them all already in my posts. but u seem to misinterpret it anyway. i never asked for ur status to be disposed. i just gave examples to compare to the situation.
oh and please dont come with the its about popularity or the king having almost no support. the king still has a few ppl loyal to him and a monarchy only needs a handful of ppl to run properly. u dont need an entire parliament like in a democracy.
and u totally fail ur point in ur later paragraph. of course u dont care about GG. if the king of the land that opposed me in the past is disposed i wouldnt care anymore as well. why care they lost the person being a threat to u and the ones overthrowing him are even ur friends. and besides its another land anyway its not in the radius of control or anything. -
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i just read gridos petition...lemme get this straight:
yrth did a dishonorable and selfish act by damaging khal but peace who damaged wodin to the same degree (if not worse depends on perception of course) is in the team and part of all the "plotting"? u got into a dream with peace the enemy together and plot what to do. if u hate yrth for damaging khal why do u work together with peace who commited the same offence? and on top of that let her wishes play into what happens when yrth gets disposed as king. i see here the 2 ppl asking for yrth to step down and one of them themself wanting to become king to work together with necrovions leader and fullfilling her wishes. how can that ever be in the best interest of the land golemus if the revolt leader and possible future king do what peace wishes them to do and work together with necrovion? this is GG and necrovion and not GG and marind bell or necro and loreroot. grido and metal bunny seem to have the need to plot together with peace and also meet her demands i cant see anything more dangerous for the future of GG. or do u wish to unite the 2 lands into one shared leadership? -
ok Metal Bunny fine if u can hold true what u said above and have done enough planning then i wont argue on this anymore. i had the impression u didnt. i myself just find it hard to believe for anybody being able to run 2 characters at the same time over a long period of time. yes wodin was very inactive but for me its hard to expect for a person who is king and rpc to invest much time in a second character. and this is my opinion of course but i dont think lag of time for the game should be held against a person only if he only logs in for several mins each day. yrth might have been inactive at times but whenever a situation called for it he showed initiative and did something about it. not like so many very influecial and high power players in the game who just keep hesistating and rarely take the initiative and actually react to a situation. but ok u say u can do it then i will trust in those words and drop that subject. and ur opinion on other lands having accomplished more well i cant change that anyway.
yrth has the strengh it needs to be king. as i said above he takes the initiative and acts without letting hesitation slow him down. he always appears as a strong figure knowing exactly what to do and in which direction to go. its what u want to see in a king. a king that is not a pushover that doesnt allow things that go against his will, the land or threatens the land. i only brought peace up because to me its the opposite. after the shade sentinel itself (the one they "pray" to) swears revenge on those who pillaged the land i would have expect her to take actions against that group and not let them be in peace. and i also wanted to use that argument to show that yrth did a good job. he took action against a threat he saw. if that was a wrong decision is another argument. what counts is that he did something about the situation and didnt just let it go.
why do i only argue about very recent events? because it all started with people complaining about yrth and lib first starting the war. then him burning khals soul and finally with him stripped grido of his powers. those were the 3 main arguments and those all happened in the last few days. what happened before was never mentioned much that is why i keep refering to those 3 subjects.
i never meant to attack anybody here i simply stated my impression on things. its also a way for me to recheck if i am correct about them or not and to form a final opinion over the matter at hand. i might use an offensive selection of sentences sometimes but that is to animate the offended side to reply and hopefully proof me wrong because i dont like the situation. i am happy u Metal Bunny replied with a detailed statement because now i can get a better picture of the situation.
i am not at all statisfied with the recent events in the realm and am rather disappointed about both sides. that is why i write kinda negatively atm. -
i find this whole situation laughable. u want to get rid of a king that in ur point of view hasnt served his land correctly in the near past. then please judge the king on what he did. not just on his own land but compared to all other lands. get an impression of all 4 main lands how they were led and if the person in charge did a good job. make an average and if yrth is way below the performance of all the other dispose him. if he did perform just as good as the leaders of the other lands why replace him then? if u want to replace him then u cant just count on the hatred from the war to take him out u will have to state what u try to accomplish and above all do better than yrth.
and btw there was obviously a traitor in the alliance that invited peace in and made this whole situation happen. and now members of the alliance revolt against yrth because of what he did in response to stealing the alliance? could it not be possible that this was done on purpose? make him loose the alliance, hope he acts on revenge later on, and then bring up that he is not fit to rule to take it urself? i mean no offence with this and have no clue who the traitor is i just speak of this being a possibility. so please dont take it for more, i dont want to offend any gg member here with this.
a king cant be taken down by an election dont u agree? a king is a king he decides who gets which statues and job. if u want another status than the king gave u then u have to revolt. especially when u want to title of king then u have to force it. u need to take the king down. there is no election there is a forcefull revolution.
think about this again i guess this makes sense to all parties...
a revolution has to be thought through well. it has to be very clear who gets the new king title afterwards. otherwise the land will just be in more chaos. a revolution weakens the land greatly. if the revolution army cant even decide on a king themself then the land is doomed and sooner or later another revolution will take place because the last one was obviously not successful and didnt bring structure into the land.
now Metal Bunny says:
[quote name='Metal Bunny' date='01 October 2009 - 03:48 PM' timestamp='1254404919' post='43406']
But, you are correct in the sense that people still need to hold a more concrete alternative, which is why I came forward. If there is no one better or more suited to the task of leading GG, then I will take it. If there is someone else more suited or popular, then I will gladly advise him/her.
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what is this? doesnt sound planned or thought through at all to me. there is no promised structure after the revoltion and disposing of the king. this can just bring more chaos and hurt the land more if there is so little planning being done. this cant be claimed to be for the good of golemus as a land. such an unplanned revolution or whatever it is now will just weaken the land more and more. GG will loose all its respect if its possible to overthrow the land without a new agenda and just more chaos to wait until finally a new leader is elected.
isnt it said u get what u already have in MD? how can u simply elect people for kingship then by popularity? u have to proof that u have the potential to be a king. u need to be able to stand up against the tyrant and take his status. u have to fight for it and go through with the revolution and then put urself into that position because it was u who managed to take down the old king. it is what proofed that u as a future king can stand up agaist a possible threat. if u just lean back afterwards and run an election u obviously dont have what it takes to be king. and above all u lagged all preparation u just "beheaded" the old king and left the land in chaos afterwards just waiting for something to happen to bring structure back into it. u have to bring that structure urself and nobody else if u want a strong land. -
ok fine i see that there is a chance for those 30 members to get their ally back. but look at this. peace says wodin is a public char, is just a puppet and whatever and steals crits from him. it seems, to her wodin is a dead character that u can perfectly screw up and pilage because well its public and dead. if she justifies wodin being a dead unplayed character for her crimes against him then what about khal? khal left as well and is "dead". both yrth and peace damaged a character that is dead and left by its original owner. there is not much difference, besides the fact that necrovions were never able to move on without their old leader but GG was. that alone is why i think yrth didnt fail at all compared to necrovion. he got over the loss of wodin (when the original player left) and build a kingdom. the sentinels build everything around a character that left and werent able to go into a new direction. they stagnated. gg under the leadership of yrth didnt.
but anyway that was just one of my points i made in my post. its always easy to just take one point and argue against it and just ignore everything else. i also spoke about revenge. yrth seems to have gotten over it but peace still wants to make yrth suffer more.
and besides all this we speak about the ability to rule a land and be its king. yrth should be disposed of because ppl claim he is a tyrant for commiting crimes in the war which peace commited as well. since all of this was born from the war (dont tell me its about the war against lore as well especially i dont want to hear this from grido because grido was in charge of the stolen savels for a long time.)between allies and defenders. i simply compare necro to gg to see how good the leadership run the land. and to me its obvious that yrth did a much better job -
all i see here is a contest for populatrity. both sides have commited war crimes if u can call their action that way. yrth teared apart khals soul but why is he the only one who gets the blame? i dont see why peace should appear in a better light. since some time she speaks only about revenge as well. this whole thing is stupid there are just as many good reasons to dispose her of her status as well if u hold yrth actions against him.
a war starts fine, yrth and lib decide to take the first step which always makes them appear as bad to the public. the one who started the war is always screwed one especially if he looses. its a war its for several reasons and dont think u know all of their reasons for the war. so dont judge on the war itself because most of u dont know how much played into the war and how many things triggered it.
so whats left? yrth tearing apart khals soul which yes is an offense to the whole khal dynasty.
on the other side u have peace taking over the gg alliance and kicking 30 members. that is an offense to 30 members just as the burning of the soul to the "friends" of khals dynasty. and considering that more bad actions with wodin were involved i really cant say anymore what is worse: destroying a soul of somebody who had nothing to do with the war or kicking many members of an alliance that had nothing to do with the war as well and messing with an account that doesnt belong to u but did long ago to a real player.
we got 2 offenses here and who is the one left speaking of even more revenge? its peace. she seeks even more revenge and u say yrth is consumed?
i really dont get why all the blame falls on yrth. if yrth gets disposed as a king here then peace should be removed of her status as well.
and now something different. u think yrth did a bad job running GG? tell me where!
because i can tell u many reasons for necro being run badly. a group of adventures and explorers sneak into the heart of necrovion. they stay there for days and plan how to steal something from the core. then they even slaughter shades and pilage the stone stealing from it and using the stolen item for their own purpose. that was a serious offense to necrovion as a land. they defied the shade sentinel and defeated the summoned army and what are the sentinels under peace reign doing? nothing. nothing at all they let their land being pillaged and do nothing about that. necrovion was a pushover at that time. ppl just trampled over the land and stole from its most "sacred" treasure and get away without the dynasty or the sentinels or anybody doing anything about it.
in contrast to that yrth run his land really good. something like that never happened to golemus. i dont see where yrth failed. in my opinion he did a good job. of course there were war crimes but if u want to punish those then punish both sides. -
ah finally i was waiting for u to say something
i guess i will rehost the challenge if u or phantom dont have reasons against it. no matter what i do it seems unfair to somebody and nobody helped me getting better ideas. so the best solution i see is to rehost the whole thing if u 2 dont complain -
of course. my point is:
if a member of the monarchy goes against the ruler he has to expect his position to be removed. grido was part of it and accepted his king and the rules of a monarchy i suppose. so if he wants a new king him being removed from his former posItion doesnt help in the argumentaion. he can say the king turned into a tyrant and whatever else and start a revolution. but he cant hold against the king of a monarchy the removal of people from their spots that lost the kings trust. -
i know it would be better for me to just sit back and stay quite but i am slowly starting to get angry here. so i will post this and u are all welcome to flame me about it.
as i said before in my challenge i didnt join the war because both forces thought they could simply fight for the fate of a land that doesnt belong to humans but shades. i have many more reasons but wont state them here. both the allies and the defenders forgot their place. this is necrovion a land that belongs to the shades. i am really sad what became of necrovion. shades rule this land and humans are nothing but their pawns to support their goals. and what happens now? the only alliance of necrovion dares to defy and attack the summoned army? even if u were all confused about the events, u were in the land of the shades and no matter what the summoned army does if it attacked u or not doesnt matter. shades are hard to understand and dont act/think like humans. if u wear the badge of necrovion u are the ally of the shades and shouldnt even be thinking about attacking them. u are a guest in their land it belogs to them. even if the summoned army attacked u first it doesnt change anything the enemy of the sentinels was right in front of ur eyes tearing apart khals soul. and u wearing the badge of necrovion attack the summoned army and not yrth? sorry but this is totally messed up u shouldnt be complaining about anything.
all u did was give yrth evil looks and growl at him but nobody tried to stop him. and then u see a shade and attack it claiming u fought for necrovion? that simply doesnt go into my logic. it seems the sentinels dont understand who they are anymore. -
correct me if i am wrong please. yrth is the king of golemus and that implies a monarchy. nobody complained about it being a monarchy. so i guess everybody is fine with a monarchy and the rules a monarchy has. i must admit that i know little about how gg was run but all i heard suggested a normal monarchy.
if ur second in command doesnt support the monarchy and just refuses to help his king to whom he should be loyal its perfectly normal to strip him of his powers. that is how monarchies are run. in a monarchy the kings decision is final and all his men have to follow that decision. if they dont they must expect the king to remove their position.
i am sorry grido nothing against u but if i dont misunderstand how golemus was run this is how i see it. and monarchies have strict rules and its no option to simply stay neutral especially not for a second in command.- Watcher, Akasha and (Zl-eye-f)-nea
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i heard rumors dst wants to build a city for me 
Debate On Marind Bell Kingship
in General Forum
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[quote name='Liberty4life' date='14 October 2009 - 08:56 PM' timestamp='1255546567' post='44681']
i wont go for king of bell thats for sure
and no lifeline ya missed something, kob is under necro, and i wasnt forced to leave, it was my own decision, and cless is leader by loyalty but he has to do as necros say, if he doesnt he is then opposing necros which rightfully acquired kob, so ya will have to make diplomatic deal with necros about kob, or second choice is to do it by force (kick necros out of kob)
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ok fine i interpreted the enemy in ur own alliance as u being forced to leave because who would like to stay in the alliance like that. and in my point of view it wasnt taken over. taking over means taking the alliance by becoming new leader. this didnt happen. anyway i am well aware of the little possibilities there are. and as i said the current situation is unacceptable and will be changed one way or the other.