CrazyMike

[quote name='Granos' date='25 February 2010 - 10:36 AM' timestamp='1267068987' post='55157']
Touching words, but it was nothing more than pure deceit, although through word play there is a loop hole but I would rather see what there is to suffer.

Do your worst.
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Errr... does this mean that Granos actually admitted to scamming?

Here is a thought.

Lets for a second imagine that the King of Loreroot is Mur.

Decisions, developments, decrees, plans are not executed fast enough (sounds familiar?)

Will the reaction still be the same?

Probably (like what we are seeing in MD)

But the point of the matter is that Firsan is King, elected by both citizens and non citizens of Loreroot and approved by Mur.

Just because Firsan is not Mur, words become harsher, politeness is thrown out the window.

Just like Mur, Firsan too face the same problems of running a land.

But doesn’t he deserve the respect of being the King if not the same respect accorded to Mur?

I personally feel the idea of Rangers has its merits but executed without going through the proper channels. True that bureaucracy shouldn’t be a hindrance but it has reasons for being there.

The jailing was based on the reaction received after the King’s announcement. Not because of that idea itself.

I believe the Rangers idea can still be executed, but a sit down with everyone (King and leaders of Loreroot)to discuss it first is a prerequisite.

Lets not cloud our feelings with jailings that was done.

Lets move forward.

Set a meeting to discuss the matter.

If the meeting itself is an issue, send the working paper of the rangers to the King.

Let the King get the feedback from the Loreroot leaders.

I would love to join the Rangers, but let it be a legal one approved by the powers that be.

*smile*

Lots of off topic here

Its irrelevant if Seigheart is an alt of Fenrir (if its alt abuse, he will be punished by Mur, the so called alt is a different character, and should be judged based on that alone)

Seigheart's role in the Drachorn's Lair is not a factor here (Mur has pardon him, its his discretion, again nothing to do with his dispute with dst)

The only point to discuss is if dst overstepped boundaries and abused her powers and harrassed Seigheart.

To further discuss this we need proof from Seigheart.

Any other problems that Seigheart has done should be discussed in another thread. Unless the problems that he made justifies what dst is doing, assuming she did what Seigheart says she did.

I am in Jail, but I always consider myself a Lorerootian.

I find it offensive that just because we only show solidarity, people assume that everyone is in agreement.

Lorerootians do our bickering, fighting and show our unhappiness within our private meetings. We do not need to tell the whole world what we fought about.

In public, we show our full support to our King.

We agree to disagree.

There are times when that didnt work, they leave.

I agree with the points made by Firs, but I am dissapointed that this is brought out in public.

I am in Jail, but I always consider myself a Lorerootian.

I find it offensive that just because we only show solidarity, people assume that everyone is in agreement.

Lorerootians do our bickering, fighting and show our unhappiness within our private meetings. We do not need to tell the whole world what we fought about.

In public, we show our full support to our King.

We agree to disagree.

There are times when that didnt work, they leave.

I agree with the points made by Firs, but I am dissapointed that this is brought out in public.

I am in Jail, but I always consider myself a Lorerootian.

I find it offensive that just because we only show solidarity, people assume that everyone is in agreement.

Lorerootians do our bickering, fighting and show our unhappiness within our private meetings. We do not need to tell the whole world what we fought about.

In public, we show our full support to our King.

We agree to disagree.

There are times when that didnt work, they leave.

I agree with the points made by Firs, but I am dissapointed that this is brought out in public.

I am in Jail, but I always consider myself a Lorerootian.

I find it offensive that just because we only show solidarity, people assume that everyone is in agreement.

Lorerootians do our bickering, fighting and show our unhappiness within our private meetings. We do not need to tell the whole world what we fought about.

In public, we show our full support to our King.

We agree to disagree.

There are times when that didnt work, they leave.

I agree with the points made by Firs, but I am dissapointed that this is brought out in public.

I am in Jail, but I always consider myself a Lorerootian.

I find it offensive that just because we only show solidarity, people assume that everyone is in agreement.

Lorerootians do our bickering, fighting and show our unhappiness within our private meetings. We do not need to tell the whole world what we fought about.

In public, we show our full support to our King.

We agree to disagree.

There are times when that didnt work, they leave.

I agree with the points made by Firs, but I am dissapointed that this is brought out in public.

I am in Jail, but I always consider myself a Lorerootian.

I find it offensive that just because we only show solidarity, people assume that everyone is in agreement.

Lorerootians do our bickering, fighting and show our unhappiness within our private meetings. We do not need to tell the whole world what we fought about.

In public, we show our full support to our King.

We agree to disagree.

There are times when that didnt work, they leave.

I agree with the points made by Firs, but I am dissapointed that this is brought out in public.

I am in Jail, but I always consider myself a Lorerootian.

I find it offensive that just because we only show solidarity, people assume that everyone is in agreement.

Lorerootians do our bickering, fighting and show our unhappiness within our private meetings. We do not need to tell the whole world what we fought about.

In public, we show our full support to our King.

We agree to disagree.

There are times when that didnt work, they leave.

I agree with the points made by Firs, but I am dissapointed that this is brought out in public.

I am in Jail, but I always consider myself a Lorerootian.

I find it offensive that just because we only show solidarity, people assume that everyone is in agreement.

Lorerootians do our bickering, fighting and show our unhappiness within our private meetings. We do not need to tell the whole world what we fought about.

In public, we show our full support to our King.

We agree to disagree.

There are times when that didnt work, they leave.

I agree with the points made by Firs, but I am dissapointed that this is brought out in public.

I decided I have enough and I am going to say exactly what I think.

In some ways this should be private between Mur and myself. But in other ways, no it deserves to be public.
Mur says he allows free speech and this is the view of ONE person in MD. Anyone is free to agree or disagree with me, so by making this public I am opening myself up to as much insult, injury or plain old abuse as Mur is getting from me because of what I have written (or not). I will apologise for hurt I may cause, but I will not apologise for my view on things.

Over time I have brought things up I have been unhappy with. I have written lengthy threads/emails about things. Undoubtedly some of it has been seen as stupid, wrong, preaching, longwinded, call it what you will. I am sure that at times I have not been as right as I felt. But I have always said what I believed to be true.
Your response to this has usually taken the form of a very personal attack. You have called me a coward, stupid, naïve, lazy among other things. And yes you have actually put it quite plainly as ‘you are a coward’ ‘you are incompetent’ etc etc. And I mean plainly to me, not even when you go off calling the kings in general inept or what have you.

You say I whine. You seem to think that all I do is whine. Well, you should look in the mirror bud. On more than one occasion you have had a good old whine about how you are fed up dealing with ‘stuff’ (I want to use a different S word here, but I will refrain even though I believe it is appropriate) and that you setup the kings and the council etc to deal with it. That you shouldn’t have to respond to things.

Newsflash! YOU set them up. You setup the council and you complain it isn’t working or doing its job. Well, YOU appointed the council. YOU also set the council up to make decisions, to be autonomous. Yet on at least one occasion YOU personally stepped in and over-ruled the council. So YOU undermined the council. If you feel that the council is not working then YOU can change the people on it, the format of it or YOU can remove it.
(By the way, I could tell you why they don’t work, I have tried to point out an error with at least one, but you simply ignore it as whining. But suffice it to say that simply changing the people will not actually change much if anything at all)

In one of my last outbursts to the council YOU responded personally. And yes, your answer was VERY personal. You even went to far as to point out that you were being gracious enough to not punish me for my use of bad language. For anyone that is interested, my language was most foul, it was intended to be to stress my annoyance. It seems that this is what saved me from punishment. Now, the thing is, this was a letter sent to the council, not broadcast on the forum. As such, I view this as private. So, YOU may feel it was improper or foul or anything you like. But quite frankly it was private, not public.
On the other hand, YOU dragged this matter onto the forums. While not obvious to anyone not privy to the private matter, YOU did this nonetheless. And your reason for doing this was for YOUR satisfaction. To be fair, when I complained you did remove it. However, I am sure that was just another example of whiny Firs and you felt you better do it rather than listen to me whine about it some more (I am being sarcastic, I would like to believe that you removed it due to sincerity, but you never apologised, so I will never really know perhaps).
When people use certain words on the forums they have been told to change them or had them changed and even warned and told off for their language or banned etc. And we are talking about words that do not begin with F here and words that many would view as no issue at all I might add. Yet YOU have used the F word on the forums and I have not seen or heard of anything being said to you. It seems that there is a rule for everyone else and a different rule for YOU.

YOU want people like me to use the needles to see Eon bring a case for being bullied. YOU want other people to do this. Why should I or anyone else doing something that YOU are not willing to do?
And WHY are we seemingly ignoring any issue with anyone else being bullied because YOU want people to gang up on Eon and have Eon bring a case first?
YOU can call me stupid or lazy or a coward or anything YOU want. But, I WILL NOT do something that YOU will not do yourself.
It starts from the top. YOU cannot expect people to do things you are unwilling to do YOURSELF.
Either a rule about bad language on the forums applies to everyone or it does not apply at all. YOU are not and cannot be the exception to the rule. Owners/Moderators of a forum cannot police rules they themselves do not respect. It is hypocritical and makes the rules itself void.

You talk about respect. Well, I may have said things you didn’t like. I may have said things that were wrong. BUT, I have never disrespected you by calling you names or attacking your character. You may feel that I have and you may feel that I am doing so now. But I have never treated you with contempt and I have never ridiculed you for my own amusement. I have also had the decency to apologise to you when I have gone too far or at least felt I had. NEVER, NOT ONCE HAVE YOU APOLOGISED TO ME.
I don’t need an apology to feel better about myself by the way. I don’t need you to tell me I am not a coward or stupid or anything else. I know exactly what I am. I know my faults and failings and I know when someone is talking through their rear end in what they are calling me.

And for the record. There is no brainwashing going on in Loreroot that I am aware of. There may have been in the past and I was one of the people that brought it to your attention. Yet it seems that whenever you get a bit annoyed with me you role that one out. If it ain’t you that does it, somebody else does and you are happy to let it out there.
I have not asked anyone to leave MD or to hate you or anyone else. I have not tried to create some kind of mini group within MD with some strange and pointless aim of ruining MD. People in Loreroot do not have some kind of organised hate MUR, or dst or anyone else campaign going despite what some people like to think or even insinuate on the forums. I actually find the notion mildly amusing and completely at odds with the fact that you think I just do nothing but whine.

You can content yourself that the only people that agree with me are the whiners in Loreroot. What saddens me is that you don’t take a step back and realise that like it or no, that is a percentage of the population in MD. That it is so easy to simply write all those people off as some kind of whiner fruitcakes. We are all from different countries, different religions, ethnic groups, coulours, capabilities, attitudes, experiences, age, sex, you name it. But it all boils down to Loreroot = whiners.
That is not an indictment of the people in Loreroot, that is an indictment of YOU. You allow this mentality to foster and it seems that you share it yourself. In fact, I would argue that it is because YOU hold this view that others share it.
Like it or not, MD is your creation and YOU have a public that YOU can preach YOUR ideas and opinions to. And many people hold YOU up to be some kind of deity, hero, oracle, font of knowledge, whatever you like. Ironically, like a god, you seem dismayed and bewildered and angry that you have given your children such wonderful gifts and we have chosen to not use them as you expected us to. It’s hard when mere mortals cannot grasp the magnitude of the divine vision and wisdom.

I am not saying that you want that. In fact I believe that you are uncomfortable with it and I consider that to be a good thing. But I equally feel that you sometimes forget that. Me or anyone else not agreeing with you is no bad thing either. You need to be told when you are talking rubbish (or at least when someone feels you are). I am not so sure that you handle that so well at times though. You have to realise that when you decide to put the boot in to someone you can expect a tide of people supporting you. But you have to accept that you will get that support even when you are wrong. And yes, like me there are times when you are wrong. Why? Because you are human, you make mistakes, like the rest of us (except of course dst, who is never wrong (there is an element of sarcasm there) ).

I am far from perfect. There is always more I could do, should do even. But don’t dare to tell me to stop whining, or man up, or what have you, unless you are willing to do the same yourself. Stop blaming others, lead by example.

This issue should be solved fast as it involves the integrity of some veteran players. It would not do if some new players come on to the forum and gets a wrong impression.

Saying that neither party can take a joke is not going to make the situation any better.

I am not a fan of Vicarious but if he has made a claim of injustice being done to him, it must be taken seriously. A decision needs to be made by the powers that be.

The thread so far seems to be getting ignored as there is no official stand from the council or the "big" man.

Sometimes protocol has to be side stepped for the better good.

The better good is the image of MD.

Lets close this matter and move on!

This issue should be solved fast as it involves the integrity of some veteran players. It would not do if some new players come on to the forum and gets a wrong impression.

Saying that neither party can take a joke is not going to make the situation any better.

I am not a fan of Vicarious but if he has made a claim of injustice being done to him, it must be taken seriously. A decision needs to be made by the powers that be.

The thread so far seems to be getting ignored as there is no official stand from the council or the "big" man.

Sometimes protocol has to be side stepped for the better good.

The better good is the image of MD.

Lets close this matter and move on!

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This issue should be solved fast as it involves the integrity of some veteran players. It would not do if some new players come on to the forum and gets a wrong impression.

Saying that neither party can take a joke is not going to make the situation any better.

I am not a fan of Vicarious but if he has made a claim of injustice being done to him, it must be taken seriously. A decision needs to be made by the powers that be.

The thread so far seems to be getting ignored as there is no official stand from the council or the "big" man.

Sometimes protocol has to be side stepped for the better good.

The better good is the image of MD.

Lets close this matter and move on!

This issue should be solved fast as it involves the integrity of some veteran players. It would not do if some new players come on to the forum and gets a wrong impression.

Saying that neither party can take a joke is not going to make the situation any better.

I am not a fan of Vicarious but if he has made a claim of injustice being done to him, it must be taken seriously. A decision needs to be made by the powers that be.

The thread so far seems to be getting ignored as there is no official stand from the council or the "big" man.

Sometimes protocol has to be side stepped for the better good.

The better good is the image of MD.

Lets close this matter and move on!

This issue should be solved fast as it involves the integrity of some veteran players. It would not do if some new players come on to the forum and gets a wrong impression.

Saying that neither party can take a joke is not going to make the situation any better.

I am not a fan of Vicarious but if he has made a claim of injustice being done to him, it must be taken seriously. A decision needs to be made by the powers that be.

The thread so far seems to be getting ignored as there is no official stand from the council or the "big" man.

Sometimes protocol has to be side stepped for the better good.

The better good is the image of MD.

Lets close this matter and move on!

This issue should be solved fast as it involves the integrity of some veteran players. It would not do if some new players come on to the forum and gets a wrong impression.

Saying that neither party can take a joke is not going to make the situation any better.

I am not a fan of Vicarious but if he has made a claim of injustice being done to him, it must be taken seriously. A decision needs to be made by the powers that be.

The thread so far seems to be getting ignored as there is no official stand from the council or the "big" man.

Sometimes protocol has to be side stepped for the better good.

The better good is the image of MD.

Lets close this matter and move on!