zalabar

no just really red from sunburn and whatnot and stuff from staying in the backyard too much watching football and drinking beer im just an average ole redneck

Yeah rashes, because you have a red neck. Is it itchy?

Do you have some rashes?

i beleive it should have some crits but thats not up to us but hopefully in the meantime Mur will put some in there but crits probly take alot of codeing and stuff

congratulations... as your first test, prepare yourself! to WAR!!! (lol joking)

i'm sure you'll take good care of Tribunal land

[quote name='Muratus del Mur' date='28 September 2009 - 04:28 AM' timestamp='1254072535' post='42961']
Public opinion is a powerful jury. Here in MD votes will not count as number but as value, so if you plan on doing a voting thing, then you will have to send them to me, with _strong_ reasons, and your personal reputation will count as the vote weight.
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[quote name='awiiya' date='01 October 2009 - 06:37 AM' timestamp='1254339422' post='43268']
Also, why is Kingship going to a vote? Votes are for appointed leaders of democracy, where everyone's opinion is equal. This should be determined by a fight, because the King is the strongest person in a land, not the one that everybody likes the most.

True, death means very little in Magic Duel, which is the source of a lot of problems, including this one. If Yrthilian could just kill Grido, rather than exiling him, this whole business would be avoided, and he would be even more of a leader. Unfortunately that is not so.

But in the spirit of the Kingship, and what that means, I think Yrthilian is perfectly in his power. King's powers derive from the Gods, not from his subjects, at least that is the way it was set up in the past. You dare question someone who is appointed by God(s)?

In short, Yrthilian's power should not end because he angered his subjects, and they hold a silly vote. No! It should end when there is a coup, a show of military strength that Yrthilian is NOT the strongest person in the world, and NOT appointed by God.
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This vote is serving as the stand in for military action, because as you say death hasn't got that much meaning in the realm.

The vote is essentially the coup. As Mur said, the decision is going to be made based on both our reason AND our reputation.

If the vote had all the strongest members of GG supporting Yrthilian, and twice as many against him, I doubt he would be kicked from rulership as in a war of succession he would easily win. HOWEVER, if it came to that, he'd no longer be a King, but a true Tyrant/Dictator, and I doubt that that is what Yrthilian would want.

Then again, if the strongest member all voted against Yrthilian but the majority was at least or more than twice as many against him, I wouldn't be surprised to see every single one of the people who voted against him kicked from Golemus >.>

Remember what was said when Raven wanted to be King? "If you fail, there will be consequences"... I think this sort of action is would have far more impacting repercussions for failure than Raven's simple election, and the threat from that was Imprisonment.

Think long and hard about what your reason is and who you really support before you vote on this...

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Off Topic:
Who keeps voting negatively for Yrthilian's posts? Those last ones were very good, and didn't deserve the negative reputation. Voting purely because you don't like the person is a bit petty, show some maturity.

What definition of King are you using?

In England, which is the most classic example of Kings, the King was the military leader, at the back of the army but always fighting. In fact, sometimes entire battles would be settled by a King and his challenger fighting.

So in that sense, Yrthilian did exactly what a King of old times would have done.

If you refer more to the spiritual King (which is what Khalazdad claimed to associate more with, although to be truthful he did lead an army as well), then yes it would have been beneficial to appoint a military leader.

But in my opinion I think Yrthilian did fine as the military leader. He is the leader, and as such controls the most who he attacks and how he attacks them.

But this whole dethroning business... it seems to me in a bitter spirit. People are throwing accusations that Yrthilian overstepped his boundaries. Did he really? Or did everyone just not realize what the title "King" means?

Also, why is Kingship going to a vote? Votes are for appointed leaders of democracy, where everyone's opinion is equal. This should be determined by a fight, because the King is the strongest person in a land, not the one that everybody likes the most. Did everyone like Napoleon? No, he killed lots of people. Then why did he lead? Because if you spoke out, you would end up like the dead people.

True, death means very little in Magic Duel, which is the source of a lot of problems, including this one. If Yrthilian could just kill Grido, rather than exiling him, this whole business would be avoided, and he would be even more of a leader. Unfortunately that is not so.

But in the spirit of the Kingship, and what that means, I think Yrthilian is perfectly in his power. King's powers derive from the Gods, not from his subjects, at least that is the way it was set up in the past. You dare question someone who is appointed by God(s)?

In short, Yrthilian's power should not end because he angered his subjects, and they hold a silly vote. No! It should end when there is a coup, a show of military strength that Yrthilian is NOT the strongest person in the world, and NOT appointed by God.

But I'm not involved in this, so this is only an opinion. I am a member of Golemus now, true, but my pursuits don't change based on Kings.

Awi

hmm i see but if war comes to golemus grido would then most likely run away (becoz of some reasons like he did this time) rather than face it

[quote name='Grido' date='30 September 2009 - 08:04 PM' timestamp='1254337478' post='43255']
Yes, I have sent the petition to Mur to have Yrthilian deposed as king, the document will be made public (by him presumably), and there will be a vote on the matter, this will not happen before the 2nd October.


I am loyal to the land, you have brought much pain upon it, which is why i do this, for the land.


I would like to clarify that i did ask, and hoped, that this be done before you left, aparently it cant happen before the 2nd though, which is a shame, i wanted you present when the voting was happening so you would have a chance to defend your actions.
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Fair anough i understand the position you are in.
but i cannot take all the blaim for this pain you accuse me of.
But i guess as king i have to. So be it i will take it as it come.
I also understand this will be done while i am not here.

So if i loose congratulations to you
If i win then i will be happy for i know then
I have done something right

I find both Yrth AND grido as friends so in a way this is hard.I believe what he did was right in ways and wrrong in other ways.
I believe we should not be having a vote on disposing of Yrth as king ,for he is doing a great job at his role, but a vote on wether to keep Grido in the alliance.Maybe not second of command but just in the alliance.
@Grido: I see your reasons for what you did(didn't) do.
@Yrth: I see your reasons also but I think we should allow Grido back into the alliance =)

Mcvitie

Well i guess it is time.

So now it look like it has officaly been asked
and that a vote is going to happen. I beleve
that thoes of you that were trully unhappy with how i did thing
have the change to remove me.

I will not wimper or cry about who did what as i have no intencion
on making anyone pick sides in this. If you feel that strongly about
my actions then i guess you will make the choice you feel it right.

I just hope there are enough of you who are loyal to the land and to GG
to choose the right path. If i am removed by the vote then of corse this
will happen. If i am not then i will know truly the people that were and
always are loyal to the Land the the allaince.

I fear most have already made there choices and have already been convinced
by the other side. If this is the case then i am truly doomed and can see
that I have done wrong by all. This i will take with me and learn from it.
For it i didnt then i would not be who i am.

So i beleve the plan was to have this vote done while i am not around and there for
happen again when i am not around to defend myself. So that is now twice this has been
arranged. But still if it was me then of corse i am a tryant and shpuld be punished.

All i can say now is i had a great time helping thoes that i have helped and i enjoyed
doing it. If i have not been kind or helpfull to you before i am sorry for that. I hope
to still be able to help in other events or with papers or ideas.

I will stop or it will look like i am asking for people to take sides.
This is your choice and what ever it is i will take gracefully.

Thank you for your time
Yrthilian

Lamest Name - Spare Time Pub
Funniest Name - House of Hard Cocks
Scariest Name - Heaven's Purgatory

[font="Palatino Linotype"][i][size="3"]Bravo, Granos... Very well.[/size][/i][/font]

raven didnt had crown... and how do ya mean yrth won war? O.o

LOL i get one prsion exiled

and you all cry about me getting someone else exiled.
With Grido it was an ingame thing.

I have ALWAYS said come speak with me if you have issues if you did not then you must not have had issues.

Yes Grido this was your plan
and no i didnt not give you warning of what the out come would be
you stood back brogt Peace to Golemus and happly trotted up to the capitiol with the enemy
so what you say is a load of BS

If people feel they dont want a king of Golemus fine.
But i will never be off the land.

Shadowseeker as i said the cryux. I have no intencion of stopping you beeing on Golemus
it is an ingame issue that yrth has with Grido and showing his loyalties.
Grido should have known something would happen for his reasion give when asked for a reasion he decided to walk away from the war
that he was part of at the time. so making the plan and beeing involved and stopping and walking away states you turn your back on Golemus.
to start taking part and walk away is not doing thing for the land. Also you never stated you had an issue untill you walked away
remember it WAS your plan and i agreed to the idea.

As it is i will not be off of the land there is always a way in.
As is the case for all laldns. If you all decide to vote and DO it proper.
I know it will be inacted as per the rulling.
Removing people from the land well that is your choice.
Golemus was a very quiet land before.

[quote name='cryxus' date='27 September 2009 - 06:16 PM' timestamp='1254071778' post='42953']
To Yrth, I know what I'm saying is heavy, but you could ban me from GG, and ban me from my ship, I could care less because where there's a will there's a way, and should anyone try and stifle mine, they will get burned. That is advance warning.

This is not what I want to see in a king that I am to be affiliated with... please, for the sake of the image of ~OUR~ land, show some decency to the other inhabitants of the island... A king is a king because he has the respect of the people.


~Captain Cryxus X'hal
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Cryux I would not even try to stop you gain acess to your ship.
Yes much has gotten out of hand and what is done in game is done in game.
I do not use out of game thjngs to make anyone do anything.

This is a game of roleplay. I have done as a king and as a player would do.
I use the same tactic used agenst me yet i am the tryant for useing them.
It if funny how such thing can be used by one side and not allowd to be used by the other.
why is this?

I have no bullied people into doing anything i have not
openly told anyone or behind the back of other to make people do thing.
I openly told Peace of what would happen. So i stuck by what i said i would
do and did it. This was in part for persional reasion to yrthilian in game.
In that action i agree is becomming of a king but hey kings are human too.

lol guy, my point was if grido was so lazy to gather loyalty with farming so he aimed at bug, his problem we didnt encourage bug use

hmm as much as i remember from my point of view khal was king which was laughed at behind his backs, just so ya know

I will say my opinion on this:

Grido refused to fight for his land when his king asked it, because he was friend to the land enemy, therefor the king saw a threat in Grido and his trust vanished so he took measures to defend the land and stop the enemy to enter it and it's deep and secret places.
Grido now acts from anger and revenge so the reason is a lame one for a king disposal request.

The so called ..whoever is asking to be king is a [i][b]COWARD[/b][/i] [i]why?[/i] because when you want power you have the power to defend yourself and fight for what you want and believe, don't put someone else to take it for you. Therefore this 'want to be a king' being a [b][i]COWARD[/i][/b] has no rights to ask the kingdom he will for sure hide under one soldiers shield and ask for compassion.

[size="1"]Now you can start press the - voting button as i see you are not reading and [b]THINKING[/b] before pressing you use that feature just for releasing anger


[b]
[size="2"]UPDATE:

[/size][/b][size="2"]As for Peace : she was announced that Khals soul will get hurt[b] right after[/b] she took the alliance and she did nothing. The next days she still did nothing but to say she will not give back the alliance and she wants a new king or Yrthilian to step down . Days past war came war ended alliance was in her hands so Yrthilian did as he announced .

now please, tell me were is the problem?

[b]1.[/b]That Yrthilian did what he said he will if he will not get his alliance back (also because of Wodin's crits)
[b]2.[/b] Or that Peace done nothing against it ..a plan something? and now she cry's?

here i try to understand why the frustration thrown at Yrthilian only? ok he may did wrong, but the anther party did so , in my eyes there are even more: they have/had more power and more allies never used them . ALso a big mistake i won;t discuss in here which led Peace to take the alliance.


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umm wait a bit, grido if ya stepped away from not helpin your ally becoz of rl friendship did other side stepped away from helping theirs own side? and also since when is md democracy

Ah YIM wars,

they always come out dont they.
I beleve thoes that need them are weak and have no
other reasion to use them other than to prove they
are weak.

This i could have done a long time ago to prove argument and to bring
this to the front but i am one who does not beleve in useing out of game
thing for ingame issues.

Grido I asked you why you did not do as you said you would.
your responce was one in the same.
Freindship. 1. in RL so i had to ignore that
2 Friendship to pamps in game character wise.

Since Pamps chose to be on the side of the enemy this ment you decided to take
the side of the enemy and do nothing to interfear. Yes peace dictated terms of
returning the allaince to me but with a price.

Yes for other reasion i chose not to agree to the terms. As thoes terms would
meen steping down from defending the land i love. Someof my choices may have been
bad some i truly belive to be corect. As you prove my point in such.

I will not nor will i ever step down as king i do not run a hide.

Yes the allaince has been taken and abused by the enemy and i will reveng that
The paroina you speak of. Well as you staed RL stuff interfeard with ingame stuff
when in essence it should not have but it did because you didnt want the hassel of it.

If an advise stated they will not help because they are friends of the enemy. what should
i do sit there and allow the enemy to have such a powerfull tool/ally withing my own ranks.
you have taken all of this way to persionaly and in such use RL and YIM to make your points.

Well you can argue all you want and complain all you want. Golemus is a land i hold dear to me
what i have doen is no more worse than anyother have done in the realm. BUT at least i roleplay it
and react as such that my character would do. Do you prefer i take the action i did and make it
public before you come back online.

Below is the PM sent to Grido

Declaration from the King of Golemus to Grido


This scroll is to inform you that you have been
band from entering the land of Golemus by Order
of the king

This desision was not made litely. But this was
decided as your loyalties do not lie with Golemus
and its allainces. During time of war you decided
you friendship with some of the enemies showed you
cannot be trusted to help defend the land or its
allaince.

There for I have decided you are no longer welcome
in the land of Golemus and are now outcast from the
land.


This order has been carried out by
Yrthilian King of Golemus
The Golemus technomage.

This again is an ingame message NOT YIM nor form attackes.
I Believe if my people had issues as to my choices they would come
to me and speak of it as they have always been welcome to do so
and i have always listened.

If they do not come to me with it beeing an issue then
i would have to beleve there is no issue.

I care for Golemus the land and the allaince.
I have always listend when spoke to on matters and on
how peole wish to have things. But i am not going to say
all my choices were corect but i stand by them.

This backer if they wish to speak let them speak but have the B***S
to do it. For if you want me seat as you seem to want then be brave
and stop playing behind orther ans useing them a puppets.

*blink blink*
...

wowzers...


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Chew..

Got new information over that this is in someone elses, hands, and the people, have been chosen somehow, oddly enough.

as sad as that is, I'll pop over to the Caretakers, and see if they need help.

I can join the Seats of Six.

going to have to do some personal updating...some RP... maybe, finding other responsible oddballs,

and I'll read up on what 'Tribunal' is.

*blink blink*
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wowzers...


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Chew..

Got new information over that this is in someone elses, hands, and the people, have been chosen somehow, oddly enough.

as sad as that is, I'll pop over to the Caretakers, and see if they need help.

*blink blink*
...

wowzers...


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Chew..

Got new information over that this is in someone elses, hands, and the people, have been chosen somehow, oddly enough.

as sad as that is, I'll pop over to the Caretakers, and see if they need help.

This is from the first election of office. After this Shadowseeker, who had been voted in as General left the CoE and we were left without a General.

The council that was elected got together and had a meeting as soon as they could to discuss a presidential leadership role.

Thus Karak was voted in as council president via the votes of all those who reside on council.

We encouraged people in each lorerian alliance to vote.
Ultimately it was up to them who was elected and why.


[u]Speaker of the Law Votes[/u]
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Gremlin 3
Karak 8
Luci 3
Windy 2
Ibruzu 1


[u]Speaker for the Root Votes[/u]
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Sagewoman 3
Firsanthalas 12
Luci 2

[u]Sheriff of The Root Votes[/u]
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Udgard 1
White Reaper
Siala Lone Wolf 5
Ibruzu 10



[u]Warden of the Root Votes[/u]
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Luci 6
Karak 4
Lady Renata 3
Windy 4



Those who voted:
Lady Renata
Karak
Mya Celestia
Shadowseeker
Dark Mystic
Luci
Ibruzu
Raven
Gremlin
Logan
Kala
Clock Master
MWBrady
Firs
Siala
Phantom Orchid
Legna


Currently we are without a General or a Speaker of the Law.
Elections for speaker of Law are being held currently.

Also I must apologize for my delay on posting these results.