redneck

[quote name='No one' date='05 June 2010 - 08:47 AM' timestamp='1275691654' post='61049']
at least I'm trying to change it.
Do you see another way ? Tell me. Help me. Help MD.
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Take a look at what Burns and dst do. They don't victimize people, they don't resort to petty thuggery. They talk it over, and protest by not setting defence rituals. If you hit them, that your fault, not theirs.
I can respect, and even applaud that, because it doesn't detract anything. It expresses their opinion and invites discussion, so that change can occur.

[quote name='No one' date='05 June 2010 - 08:47 AM' timestamp='1275691654' post='61049']
But you like it
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I like the creature upgrading aspect. I do NOT like the stat gaining aspect.
I was VERY clear on that, so do not make blanket statements like that.

[quote name='No one' date='05 June 2010 - 08:47 AM' timestamp='1275691654' post='61049']
There is no half way in order to stop this. Not that I see.
If it breaks off, it will be a good thing because one will go from one place to another and MAYBE will learn new things.
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[quote name='No one' date='05 June 2010 - 08:47 AM' timestamp='1275691654' post='61049']
There is another way. LEARN. You already know how to do it.
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The only thing they will learn is how to hide, and that their suspicion that the older MP5 will take pleasure in beating them to a pulp is true.
They will learn that they need the GGG to survive, and that you are afraid of it.
All they will learn is useless things that don't help anyone, and aren't even accurate.

Will acting like your afraid of their training teach them to RP? No.
Will it teach them how to fight? No.
Will it teach them how to hide? Yes.
Will it teach them to despise you? Yes.

[quote name='No one' date='05 June 2010 - 08:47 AM' timestamp='1275691654' post='61049']
You are a community all by yourselves (ggg) why don't you fix this problem
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Fine, they are a community.
Let THEM work it out, and STOP bothering them.

I have an honest question for all of you...

What are you going to do about it? What are you solutions? How are you going to implement them?

Do you even have any solutions?

Try fixing this. Mur does not need to help.

(Although I do really like the idea of starting over with fresh stats.

Kyphis, if you did what you said, then I can say that you should be an example to the others.

As for :
[quote name='Kyphis the Bard' date='05 June 2010 - 12:10 AM' timestamp='1275689441' post='61045']
Attacking the GGG in a scorched earth policy is, to me, blatantly wrong.
All you do is annoy people, and encourage them to leave MD forever.
Most people train at the GGG because they think the MP5's will kick their arse when they go up.
What is a scorched earth policy? MP5 coming to GGG and kicking their arse.
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at least I'm trying to change it.
Do you see another way ? Tell me. Help me. Help MD.
But you like it :
[quote name='Kyphis the Bard' date='05 June 2010 - 12:10 AM' timestamp='1275689441' post='61045']
I do not mind the GGG. [b][color="#FF0000"]It is a good training ground.[/color][/b]
What I do NOT like is people staying there just to grind. That detracts from the MD [i]Community[/i].
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There is no half way in order to stop this. Not that I see.
If it breaks off, it will be a good thing because one will go from one place to another and MAYBE will learn new things.

[quote name='Kyphis the Bard' date='05 June 2010 - 12:10 AM' timestamp='1275689441' post='61045']
If you think back to Willows, the Main reason that that sort of training ground is not viable is stat damage.
[b]Something Muratus del Mur implemented[/b].
The only way that the GGG can be "fixed" is by Mur now, because too many people will insist it stays.
...
Do I like that this can only be fixed by Mur?
[i][b]NO[/b][/i].
But the only solution I have seen that DOESN'T result in pissing a lot of people off for a LONG time is, sadly, the one I suggested. Capping the max sacc bonous to something incredibly low, or removing it entirely.
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There is another way. LEARN. You already know how to do it.
You are a community all by yourselves (ggg) why don't you fix this problem

I feel sorry for noobs that say that, but hearing this from you ... makes me think that you don't really don't learn and you don't understand the dynamics of MD.

[quote name='Kyphis the Bard' date='05 June 2010 - 12:10 AM' timestamp='1275689441' post='61045']
PS: No One, asking for experience (ie [u][i][b]USEING THE GGG[/b][/i][/u]), hitting the rit I set for you, then trying to break all my defences? That puts you slightly below pond scum.
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i broke quite a few rits there, but if they were for me ... then that should make me honored.
As for asking for exp ... that is the least of my reasons and problems I can get in 10 minutes more then i got here in 1 day.

Then why ... do you say that?

I understand what you are saying Burns and dst.

I stayed at MP3 for almost a year. I capped in my first month. Guess how long I spent at GGG? Two months, [b]at the end[/b].
And in that whole time, most MP3 where terrified of me. Rather than gain stats, I had focused on how the combat actually worked, and I learnt a heap. By the time I left MP3 I had almost every creature, and I had studied them all.

When I came to MP4, I spent a while at the GGG (about 4 months).
And you know what? [b]It drove me mad[/b]!
It was the most boring, inane, and pointless time in MD I have ever spent.

HOWEVER

It was also invaluable for training all of those creatures I had not been able to train because I was at cap on MP3.
I don't play for combat, never have. The fact that I am good at it is irrelevant, Mur could remove the whole combat system and it wouldn't bother me.
But Being able to train safely is a [b]good thing[/b]

What I [b]Don't like[/b] is people staying at the GGG just to gain stats.
For one, it doesn't fullfile the role of the lower MP levels, [b]to learn how to survive[/b] at MP5.
For the most part, stats no longer decide combat. The best they can do is dampen the damage of bad tactics, which is all that comes out of the GGG.
And as far as getting stats go, it's moronic to use the GGG to gain stats "fast" since you not only get more stats from normal combat, you get them faster! If you know what you are doing you can gain 50-[b]150[/b] attack in one day, without sacrificing anything!

BUT

Attacking the GGG in a scorched earth policy is, to me, blatantly wrong.
All you do is annoy people, and encourage them to leave MD forever.
Most people train at the GGG because they think the MP5's will kick their arse when they go up.
What is a scorched earth policy? MP5 coming to GGG and kicking their arse.

"Duh... I'm smart! I'll re-inforce their fears and prove how correct they are in useing the GGG!"
Good work....

A scorched earth policy will NEVER destroy a training ground (sorry dst, I do know how annoying you could be if you wanted to, but you know you won't actually be able to stop it)
Yes, it will force it to move. Yes, it will cause it to split. [b]No[/b], it will not cause it to disappear.
[b]Yes, it will encourage them that they HAVE to use this tactic to survive at MP5[/b]

AGAIN

I do not mind the GGG. It is a good training ground.
What I do NOT like is people staying there just to grind. That detracts from the MD [i]Community[/i].
What was that word? [i][b]Community[/b][/i]!
Because that is what we are.
Not a pack of thugs.
Not isolationists.
A [u]Community[/u].

If you think back to Willows, the Main reason that that sort of training ground is not viable is stat damage.
[b]Something Muratus del Mur implemented[/b].
The only way that the GGG can be "fixed" is by Mur now, because too many people will insist it stays.
[b]You can crusade all you want, but they will crusade right back at you. And you know what? In the end Jerusalem just gets torched and neither of you wins anything![/b]

Do I like that this can only be fixed by Mur?
[i][b]NO[/b][/i].
But the only solution I have seen that DOESN'T result in pissing a lot of people off for a LONG time is, sadly, the one I suggested. Capping the max sacc bonous to something incredibly low, or removing it entirely.

Sure the Grinders will hate it, but they will get over it when they learn just how much easier it can be to gain stats in real combat, if they just try.

PS: No One, asking for experience (ie [u][i][b]USEING THE GGG[/b][/i][/u]), hitting the rit I set for you, then trying to break all my defences? That puts you slightly below pond scum.

[quote name='dst' date='04 June 2010 - 08:21 PM' timestamp='1275682907' post='61036']
Threatening me Poppitz? I really hope you have more brains then that.

Yes, forcing. I can do it and be sure I will do it! And you can't stop me if I want to do it. Deal with it!

GGG is BAD CAUSE of the mp3s and mp4s TRAINING there. mp3 and mp4 are LEARNING stages NOT grinding ones.
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I never threatening anyone (u the one that threat me by saying that u can force them to jump anyway,check ur words more carefully), and not worthy at all to threat u btw, i was just trying to get u a picture about the risk for all the thing that u going to do (no matter how bad and brave u are)..
And again..*sigh* ...Yes they're training there, so...Bad? just face it if now all lower MP lvl have more brains to find out the way to get strong FASTER than u all with the same situation in the past, how come that happen? They have a GREAT MENTOR! (which not too much now really..)that care enough to guide them.

[quote name='Burns' date='04 June 2010 - 09:28 PM' timestamp='1275686890' post='61042']
Only those who need it? Then it should be available for nobody but MP5, young MP5 are exactly the only people who 'need' it.

And therefore, i want GGG closed for 3/4. Without exceptions.
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GGG Closed for 3 and 4? Then Go ahead,without exceptions...I'm sure U all already read my earlier post (check it again incase u missed something)

[quote name='Poppitz Resurrection' date='04 June 2010 - 09:51 PM' timestamp='1275681072' post='61027']

I'm (Poppi Chulloz) dont get anything from GGG coz i never train there, so i dont care if u all close the place or whatever, but i'm not thinking about you, i'm thinking about they who need that place..


][b]Ps: I'm (Poppi Chulloz) My self will guide the MP3 and MP4 but NO MP5! to get their win count training, and as i said before, you all over ruled veterans can't ruin the trainees unless you all get over reacting and using ur alts for bullying them (again), so please act as a mateur and experienced player. [/b]
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Only those who need it? Then it should be available for nobody but MP5, young MP5 are exactly the only people who 'need' it.

As i already said, 3 and 4 have caps because they are CAPPED.
This is not Mur's way to tell you that you should get creative and find a way around it.
This is Mur's way of telling you that you are not supposed to interfere with the newbies.
There's old players, and new players. They have been seperated with the MP-levels because there was too much difference in the creatures, stats and everything in general.

And then you come and dare to even think 'Oh well, the MP5 are so strong, it's better to have god accounts on MP3 and 4'?
Here's some historical data on how Mur imagined things to be like:
[quote][2008-01-10 09:56:53 - Alpha 4]
Player are now divided based on MindPower level. Additional mindpower advancement requirements will be added to the story. Game areas will be locked based on MindPower. Players on all lands can fight eachother if they are same MP, and alliances have same fighting rules. [/quote]
[quote][2008-01-10 12:26:34 - Alpha 4]
MAX XP cap. When you reach the required xp to advance to next mindpower level you wont get anymore skillpoints reward from the battles you win. This will limit players from remaining at lower MP levels but will also give them enough time to decide when they want to advance.

(Testing and feedback needed - test if player that is over the required xp still gets xp, skills and wins/losses for his creatures both when attacked or attacking)[/quote]
[quote][2008-01-17 06:45:48 - Alpha 5]
A lot of players have been reassigned today to a different mindpower level based on their TOTAL XP . The ones that dropped a Mindpower point should be happy that they can do the story again and gain the story bonuses again, the ones that were increased MP level (very very few) unfortunatly lost their chance to replay the story at that mp level. Next time try to avoid staying at a lower mp level when you should advance.[/quote]

His opinions might have changed, but he usually considers carefully before doing stuff like that.
I claim that massive stats and access to highlevel creatures is NOT what Mur wishes for MP3 and 4.
And therefore, i want GGG closed for 3/4. Without exceptions.

[quote name='phantasm' date='04 June 2010 - 10:00 PM' timestamp='1275681602' post='61031']
ok here wee go!! This is why I see by No One's post
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Thank you for your prompt response. And this is the last time that I will respond to your stupid remarks, I simply cannot lose my time on such things (nor I like it).

[quote name='phantasm' date='21 November 2009 - 03:00 AM' [url="http://magicduel.invisionzone.com/topic/5740-honor/page__view__findpost__p__47986"]your post[/url]]
Luckily it was at the time around when the loss limit got put into place. Trust me it was alot worse for new mp5s before that to find honor.

The GGG is sometimes a good place to find honor. Some of the MRs and a few other peoples mp5 alts are balanced or over so give lots of honor. [b]Besides that I suggest setting a lot of defensive rits up and sitting idle somewhere public.[/b]
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[quote name='phantasm' date='04 June 2010 - 10:00 PM' timestamp='1275681602' post='61031']
a. gain permission to attack freely in GGG....umm though this is rather idiotic lets put it simply...so make GGG like willows again? This time with stat losses? *slaps forehead* im surprised you even put this, i figured you for more intelligence
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[quote name='No one' date='21 November 2009 - 09:26 PM' post='48023']
[url="http://magicduel.invisionzone.com/topic/5740-honor/page__view__findpost__p__48023"]My link[/url]
... The problem is fist to understand the consequences of your decisions.

As some suggested to get some loses: you will at one point get to the limit and lose stats.
Get balanced: you will get to the point where you will fight a lot less due to lack of honor.
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My most [s]intelligent[/s] [color="#FFFFFF"]xxxx[/color] [s]friend[/s] ... something. Live to your consequences.


[quote name='phantasm' date='04 June 2010 - 10:00 PM' timestamp='1275681602' post='61031']
1. reasons:
- old vets should be powerful and stomp on noobs. Noobs should like it.
- agreed 3 weeks to mp5 is not a good thing. That can happen regardless of GGG.
- there are usually 10 to 15 people max at the GGG at any given time. If thats MD, MD is in more trouble then we know.

after that:

-Attack noobs until they leave from stat loss
- people complain because powerful people go around causing them to have stat loss, instead of helping them learn to play the game
- people complain about too strong- strongest come from GGG...yet half you protestors say that it doesn't matter cause you can beat GGG trainers?
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Dude, I know that saying upfront that you (and I quote you) "lack intelligence" it forbidden on the forum, but you do.
There is not a single game in the world (that I know of) where a beginner can compete with an experienced player.
As for half beating ggg trainers ... maybe in my good days i can beat some of you. But don't worry, soon enough you will have to live up to your decisions and take good beatings from ppl you train in ggg.
And those 10-15 I want to be able to attack.


[quote name='phantasm' date='04 June 2010 - 10:00 PM' timestamp='1275681602' post='61031']
2.
- split into smaller groups so even less conversations and interactions happen.
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[quote name='Juni0r' date='04 June 2010 - 09:13 PM' timestamp='1275678810' post='61023']
GGG helps RP? How? oh wait "Set", "Not Set", "Burst Up", "Burst Down"
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[quote name='phantasm' date='04 June 2010 - 10:00 PM' timestamp='1275681602' post='61031']
- change the GGG to how No One sees fit, forget what the public wants
- move to common location and get hammered until stat loss and leave or hide idle in sanctuaries
- learn to defend with low level creatures, no tokens, and no stats against high stats, high tokens, and the knowledge on attacking
- ask polity for easy wins as vets laugh and then demolish you
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I guess that all your MD life was in GGG, so i don't expect you to understand me.


[quote name='phantasm' date='04 June 2010 - 10:00 PM' timestamp='1275681602' post='61031']
3. Why would be good for MD
- people should know how to fight, agreed, though few are willing to help, just attack for their own stat gains
- people should be able to walk in MD and find people to talk to....strange...conversations and such happen all the time at the GGG
- defenders of GGG are becoming powerful and now I can't come in and break GGG rits when I want to...wahhhh
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Actually ggg is and always was for gaining stats, exp, wins. You are just too hypocrite to admit it.


[quote name='phantasm' date='04 June 2010 - 10:00 PM' timestamp='1275681602' post='61031']
4. His so called Targets
a. gain permission to attack freely in GGG....umm though this is rather idiotic lets put it simply...so make GGG like willows again? This time with stat losses? *slaps forehead* im surprised you even put this, i figured you for more intelligence
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see answer on top
[quote name='phantasm' date='04 June 2010 - 10:00 PM' timestamp='1275681602' post='61031']
c. enjoy demolishing noobs until you chase them off with stat loss.
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you are teaching them to get loses, why should I bother that next lose he will get penalized ?
[quote name='phantasm' date='04 June 2010 - 10:00 PM' timestamp='1275681602' post='61031']
d. gather friends and have fun....oh wait the GGG was that
e. oh wait...ask for some reasonable defs and watch as powerful people laugh and then attack you
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did you ever bothered to ask ? oh, wait, you don't , you don't trust them, you are afraid
[quote name='phantasm' date='04 June 2010 - 10:00 PM' timestamp='1275681602' post='61031']
5.
- sit around whining in the GGG
- stay there and throw a temper tantrum to get some attention
- Get booted from GGG so gather people like Redneck to help
- bring back life to DEAD creatures....hmmm my knator is one of my key offensive creatures as well as several other people i know.
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fortunately I don't whine, I'm having fun, really
I can stay there and attack freely whomever I desire (and I do pick only some) and see very interesting things as:
- all the other ppl gets sent to GoC
- many uses of other spels in most creative way (on both sides)

What can I say, it is fun.

See you there and PLEASE don't talk to me.

[quote name='apophys' date='04 June 2010 - 03:15 PM' timestamp='1275682501' post='61035']
You have a long record of breaking rits in the GGG. You are no longer trusted to abide by the rules.
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The first times i broke rits- I forgot to set my def rit as def so people attacked good and bad ones
The intentional time- I sat with about 35 good rits and 2 bad ones. So that people would think I was borken and then someone would get good hit causing confusion.
Now- I was GOING TO TRAIN MY CREATURES USING CORRECT GGG RULES IN ATTACKING WITH THEM AND MY DEFENSIVE RIT. Let me try.

This IS turning into a flame war. Don't close it yet not severe enough yet.

I recently went to the GGG to do leginimite training. I said this exactly (punctuation may vary)-
NOT SET!!!
I was teled to GoC withing 5 seconds.
The GoC will become a new training ground to kill the people who set GGG rits and get teled there.

GGG, Dojo/SG, GoS,..they all just a location,the essence is what they doing in there, You all may close even guarding that places in each access and everyway u may thinking of,but the demand will always around,You all can't prevent players to train with any style they want because thats not againts any rules in the realm...

GGG just for MP5? thats the most shallow suggestion and if i may say.. A joke! Mp5 already got they're advantage with the Exp reducing feature,they can train FOREVER in any ways and style they want! Dont say anything about money and token, thats really amateur statement, u all vets are the most bright player in the realm, why u all should be panic and cry like a baby coz other player grind they stats and fully tokening their creats? Let them gather all the power so in the future they can kick ur arse..Fair enough i think..

The MD is grow to a better and easiest way everyday, u start from the bottom and through a long hard way..thats ur problem, if u start as a new player now (maybe some already did that), u'll know how easy to get a strong status in this realm right now..Far far different from ur golden era.

I'm (Poppi Chulloz) dont get anything from GGG coz i never train there, so i dont care if u all close the place or whatever, but i'm not thinking about you, i'm thinking about they who need that place..

This game is FUN! Every inch of this is FUN! You all the people that bring a funless to the ralm! Blaming, Crying, Excuses..Endless topic.

So the last thing from me, You Can not..One more time..CAN NOT preventing any player to train with every style and everywhere they want, why? Because its Legal.




[color="#FF0000"][b]Ps: I'm (Poppi Chulloz) My self will guide the MP3 and MP4 but NO MP5! to get their win count training, and as i said before, you all over ruled veterans can't ruin the trainees unless you all get over reacting and using ur alts for bullying them (again), so please act as a mateur and experienced player. [/b][/color]

Short as I cannot reply to you all (the same thing 50 times):
1. Reasons for doing this:
- to make ppl understand their place, noobs should be compared with noobs, powerful with powefull
- to make ppl realize that 3 weeks to get to mp5 is not a good thing: YOU LEARN NOTHING
- ppl start to think that ggg is MD
- abuses of ggg protective team
and after that :
- lack of ppl to attack & defend against
- ppl lack the knowledge to defend & attack
- ppl complain when attacked as this is a capital offense in MD
- ppl complain that ppl become too strong - but strongest come from their own ggg team

2. Alternatives (of, too many):
- split in smaller groups
- change character of ggg
- move to common location and learn to survive
- learn to defend
- ask politely for easy wins
This is not a "one fits all" choice, you can even select more / all


3. Why would be good for MD
- ppl should know to really fight and set really nice def rituals, no matter their at / def rituals.
- ppl should be able to walk in MD and find ppl to be able to talk to them
- and most of all because the defenders of this perverted ggg became too annoying and abusive (MRD started all this yesteday)


4. What are my closest targets:
a. gain the permission for all to attack freely at ggg
b. remove any powers given to enforce ggg
c. enjoy some good battles
d. gather some friends to have even more fun
e. who knows, maybe someone will ask to help him with some nice defs (didn't happen in more then 1 year)

5. How can it be done (what I plan to do) :
- destroy as many defs as possible
- stay there and to attack whenever I want with whatever I want
- if someone uses their spells on me, i will ask help from others to come and join me as you only have limited nb of uses
- bring back to life some DEAD creatures like knator & loreroot archer


hmm, i will continue later on this

i hear the same thing over and over agian.

5 people crying a fit over the other 30 people who enjoy training. It is not only a place to train, but also a place to enjoy company. All I hear is "noone does anything anymore". Well there is almost always polite conversation going on at the GGG. Or at least until a violator comes in attacking people and complaining about the situation.

Clarification of a few things

Burns is only guilty of not setting defensive rituals.
No One is attacking all the young MP5s and breaking their defenses.
Redneck is attacking everyone and breaking defenses.
Lightsage is attacking everyone and breaking defenses.

See a pattern? When the MR's jumped ship on the GGG me and Chewett picked up the pieces in order to keep it going. We see the good that it does for the realm. What will happen when the GGG is gone? Same thing when I was a young MP5.

Everyone hiding in sanctuaries idle. No they don't hide in sanctuaries and rp, they hide and idle. So that in no way improves RP issues.

People run attacking MP's in the order of age. Ancient attack old who attack new. Mass losses come up just like back in the day and people new people hide due to stat loss or quit. Back in the day, when these whiners are talking about, there was no stat losses. There were people with over 2k losses over wins. Now that there are stat losses new MPs get mass losses, start losing what few stats they have, then leave.

If someone can come up with a decent solution I am open to options. Otherwise it seems to me another case of the crybabies

*edit* funny how this starts when I am off IRL very busy. My 20th wedding anniversary is the end of the month, I am currently doing 3 roofing jobs this month, and have been extremly busy for the past 3 weeks and will be until July.

[quote name='dst' date='04 June 2010 - 03:05 PM' timestamp='1275663903' post='60990']
GGG is a community started project. It's not Mur's job to interfere. He already did enough for it, don't you think
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WELL then if the community wants it then why do a select few want it gone????????

well then lets stop all this nonsense and put it to a vote.

let the people voice their opinion and let it be done.

um i didnt silence anyone but manda and burns was aroudn for that and got me and i didnt silence since but then i got a silence from amoran for know reaosn shall i show the SS?

Lifeline pointed out pretty much all the objections i'd have risen, so let me look at the topic from a different point of view:

the problem we're talking about is not, as a few might think, it's most prominent symptome (if you insist to call it that) the ggg, but, as i see it, it's just the natural evolution of MD's society. an abridged history of MD society from my humble point of view; likely quite verbose, cento-esque and biased:

like most of the old folks i started in MD's age of survival; the old days, the grim days, the all-or-nothing days when blood was spilled galore. and i liked it! it often wasn't 'convenient' play, but the general thrill made up for it. when willows changed from a murder-rit testsite and slaughterfest to an all-you-can-cut lumberjack contest (reason being the "trick" dst mentioned eariler) and MR training became semi-public, not to forget the dojo being slowly being established, the MD society as a whole, at the very latest, moved on to the age of cooperation. most played coop before, but now it developed to [b]the[/b] general practice. this was when HC was deceided by which team you had behind you, when even the strongest had a tough stand against a decently organized group. but even that age is past. now we're in one of the last ages any society might enter, an age of post-scarcity: where wins are freely available for everyone, VE/exp is measured by several 100k, where vet fighters have to homegrow their own competition because the natural circulation/ resupply is so low (the fightclub is a nice example here ).
the problem is that if there is nothing left to achieve or worth achieving, the way leads back into idleness or the insignificance of infantile disputes when there is no greater cause to put your energies into.


now, my point is that the current situation is not a monocausal problem (evil ggg). it's really nobodies fault, it's just the way things go, basicly had to go. since this is not 'the culture' and we don't have other, more primitive societies nearby to meddle with at will, we have to look at [b]our intern[/b] options to get things going again:

creative destruction, like no one suggested (well, it had to go further than just removing ggg to be really effective and giving lasting changes, but it's the general direction) is generally a viable option, basicly opting to start a new cycle from the beginning.
i doubt if that's really possible with the 'new' combat system as is though.

stepping back to a former age without divine intervention (new/changed mechanics) or a purge-by-fire approach might not be possible, if even wanted, so let's see what to do to make the best of what we have now:

quests and tournaments that try to bring back some of the old feel [i]in a controlled environment[/i] seem to be the best shot i see here. when the difference in power can be measured by exponents and overkills (yeah, the multipliers again), a more natural, primal state might only be achieved by artifical means.


[size="3"][b]conclusion / TL;DR :[/b][/size]
if nobody is around to hunt down or otherwise interact with because everyone is sitting at ggg, the easiest solution might be just to give a nice motivation for people to roam around again. if it's all that boring and pointless to grind at the globe, it shouldn't be too hard to supply an interesting alternative

also, to pre-empt the most likely objection:
"why should i have to be the one to motivate them? can't they find more interesting things to do themselves?" - no, that's the main issue in post-scarcity societies: everyone is spoiled and content with their highly convenient ways ;P

[quote name='Indyra' date='04 June 2010 - 01:52 AM' timestamp='1275627125' post='60956']
Sorry..i;m lazy and didn;t read the entire thread..but as much as some of you would like GGG closed that won;t stop players to "move it" i another location ...the way is there ..they know how to do it...they can just move to their own private parties ...what will you do then ...haunt, stalk , break their rits if you catch them ? ...i agree that there are some serious stats grinders who we don;t see outside of GGG..but closing it won;t be a solution...yes new player are attacked and "killed" by vets ...so what ? it's called natural selection .. help to much)
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Some people may find in some remote locations and continue using the style GGG, beginners will have difficulty in finding it, but despite lots of new people into the game, the number of people online is always same, as we have already seen some of these veterans were banned for abusing alts, indeed where is the fun in killing newbies? If indeed there are new players, they run out of the game, knocked down and not come back. Nor do I see funny in using a wall of dragons as a defense, which few players have access, in my case I use the GGG only for upgrading the creatures, as you can see from my days of activity, do not own anything supernatural, and if some Players have more time to utilize the GGG and getting stronger, is not what this is about the game? who has the most money paid for the items, who gets more playing time train more, and if there dont have much role play, its because some people dont talk too much, and will not talk anywhere if dont like...
anyway if a player SET TREE with a 0% in def 20 + times, and not use *target dying* the style of GGG can not be broken.

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BUT there is a player that is amusing themself by coming into the ggg and casting spells that remove a players rit list for a period of time and then using damaging rits to destroy those rits. [/quote]

Does it really? Because I don't think it does... I'm certain it only changes the offensive ritual.

And I'm merely going where my targets go: If they are at GGG, so be it.

Should I cast the spell at GoE (which I won't at current battle rate there) I wouldn't hear anyone about it and if it would not be allowed to use these spells, what's the point in spending WP's on them?

um i didnt silence anyone but manda and burns was aroudn for that and got me and i didnt silence since but then i got a silence from amoran for know reaosn shall i show the SS?

you say i have farmed ggg if i have farmed ggg then why do i mnot even have 1k def xD i never farmed GGG

um i didnt silence anyone but manda and burns was aroudn for that and got me and i didnt silence since but then i got a silence from amoran for know reaosn shall i show the SS?

you say i have farmed ggg if i have farmed ggg then why do i mnot even have 1k def xD i never farmed GGG

um i didnt silence anyone but manda and burns was aroudn for that and got me and i didnt silence since but then i got a silence from amoran for know reaosn shall i show the SS?

you say i have farmed ggg if i have farmed ggg then why do i mnot even have 1k def xD i never farmed GGG

you say i have farmed ggg if i have farmed ggg then why do i mnot even have 1k def xD i never farmed GGG

you say i have farmed ggg if i have farmed ggg then why do i mnot even have 1k def xD i never farmed GGG