Windy

[quote name='Curiose' timestamp='1311181541' post='88368']
he bought the stone himself. He's not doing anything terrible with it. It's like people claiming that Dst abuses her spell. It's completely asanine.

He bought it with his own money, how he uses it, is up to him. There is no rule stating: Player w cannot use spell x for y reason for z amount of times.

It's not going to do anything and complaining about it is just going to dig you into a deeper and deeper hole, and likely get you sent there another time.
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What if there is proof that he is using it to illegally gain fight stats?

[quote name='Curiose' timestamp='1311181541' post='88368']
he bought the stone himself. He's not doing anything terrible with it. It's like people claiming that Dst abuses her spell. It's completely asanine.

He bought it with his own money, how he uses it, is up to him. There is no rule stating: Player w cannot use spell x for y reason for z amount of times.

It's not going to do anything and complaining about it is just going to dig you into a deeper and deeper hole, and likely get you sent there another time.
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What if there is proof that he is using it to illegally gain fight stats?

[quote name='Curiose' timestamp='1311181541' post='88368']
he bought the stone himself. He's not doing anything terrible with it. It's like people claiming that Dst abuses her spell. It's completely asanine.

He bought it with his own money, how he uses it, is up to him. There is no rule stating: Player w cannot use spell x for y reason for z amount of times.

It's not going to do anything and complaining about it is just going to dig you into a deeper and deeper hole, and likely get you sent there another time.
[/quote]

What if there is proof that he is using it to illegally gain fight stats?

[quote name='Curiose' timestamp='1311181541' post='88368']
he bought the stone himself. He's not doing anything terrible with it. It's like people claiming that Dst abuses her spell. It's completely asanine.

He bought it with his own money, how he uses it, is up to him. There is no rule stating: Player w cannot use spell x for y reason for z amount of times.

It's not going to do anything and complaining about it is just going to dig you into a deeper and deeper hole, and likely get you sent there another time.
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What if there is proof that he is using it to illegally gain fight stats?

Twice now I have been teleported to GG. I'm pretty sure the culprit is Eon. LHO sent me a link he found.

Twice now I have been teleported to GG. I'm pretty sure the culprit is Eon. LHO sent me a link he found.

Twice now I have been teleported to GG. I'm pretty sure the culprit is Eon. LHO sent me a link he found.

Twice now I have been teleported to GG. I'm pretty sure the culprit is Eon. LHO sent me a link he found.

Twice now I have been teleported to GG. I'm pretty sure the culprit is Eon. LHO sent me a link he found.

Twice now I have been teleported to GG. I'm pretty sure the culprit is Eon. LHO sent me a link he found.

Twice now I have been teleported to GG. I'm pretty sure the culprit is Eon. LHO sent me a link he found.

Twice now I have been teleported to GG. I'm pretty sure the culprit is Eon. LHO sent me a link he found.

I to was teleported to GG while helping Mur test the Cauldron..... This is unacceptable to just throw people around and see how they sqwirm when they are trying to work

Twice now I have been teleported to GG. I'm pretty sure the culprit is Eon. LHO sent me a link he found.

I am on Facebook a lot. I am working hard to be on MD more often, especially now that I have applied to be on Queen Ket's Marind Bell's Council.

The reason I ask for friends from the realm is so that we can notify each other when we are logging on. If you are interested, you can search for me as: Rhonda Trout Petersen.

I am on Facebook a lot. I am working hard to be on MD more often, especially now that I have applied to be on Queen Ket's Marind Bell's Council.

The reason I ask for friends from the realm is so that we can notify each other when we are logging on. If you are interested, you can search for me as: Rhonda Trout Petersen.

[quote name='TTLexceeded' timestamp='1306430284' post='85157']
Ehm I dont see you suggesting anything or actually finding the root of the problem, if there is a problem. All i can see is that your pub has no Role Players... Your problem.
*coughs* Your idea of roleplaying is classes?????? and you even suggest there is a correct way to roleplay. Strike 1

Also please enlighten me. What is the wrong and the right way to RP? For example your RP (Keida) to me looks rediculous because it disregards the reality of MD. Is your RP wrong? No offense just making a point.
Yours
TTL
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If you look on Zleiphniers papers, he has information on the subject. For example, let's say that your character is going to strike another character. You cannot say, "hits player A and he falls to the ground" that is what is called God-modding. The correct way is " aim's fist at Player A's jaw". this gives player a to respond, either to dodge or to allow the hit. It is very complicated. I've been guilty at God-modding. I've gone out of my way to correct my mistakes in this area.
e.

[quote name='Dominus Lux' timestamp='1306478123' post='85225']
When I first started playing this game, I did so at the request of a good friend of mine. The biggest selling point for me was how expansive and unique the role-playing element of the game was.

Now, I just reached MP4, and don't get me wrong, I love the game so far, but the role-playing community here has been...dissapointing.
I went out of my way to write what I thought was a fairly interesting backstory for my character; I made Dominus into a real person in the hopes of becoming a part of the story that [i]is[/i] MD. Unfortunately, I did this only to find that the other players dont seem to care.

Other than a collection of veteran players (Who were the saving point for this game, btw. Thank you for making this game a pleasure.), It has been nearly impossible for me to find other players who are willing to have any real role-play. Hell, most of them don't seem to want to talk [i]at all[/i] other than to converse on ritual plans and the like.



While not a game killer for me, this is all just very dissapointing. And, sadly, I fear that this game will get very boring very quickly if I can't find any player interaction.

Was I misinformed about the game? Or did I just happen to sign up during a quiet time?
Perhaps I'm just looking in all the wrong places?
Any help, advise, or general wisdom would be greatly appreciated.
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there are few of us left. but keep your eye on the chat. We are around.

[quote name='TTLexceeded' timestamp='1306430284' post='85157']
Ehm I dont see you suggesting anything or actually finding the root of the problem, if there is a problem. All i can see is that your pub has no Role Players... Your problem.
*coughs* Your idea of roleplaying is classes?????? and you even suggest there is a correct way to roleplay. Strike 1

Also please enlighten me. What is the wrong and the right way to RP? For example your RP (Keida) to me looks rediculous because it disregards the reality of MD. Is your RP wrong? No offense just making a point.
Yours
TTL
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If you look on Zleiphniers papers, he has information on the subject. For example, let's say that your character is going to strike another character. You cannot say, "hits player A and he falls to the ground" that is what is called God-modding. The correct way is " aim's fist at Player A's jaw". this gives player a to respond, either to dodge or to allow the hit. It is very complicated. I've been guilty at God-modding. I've gone out of my way to correct my mistakes in this area.
e.

Back in the day, there were a lot of players who role-played and MD used to HOP! Especially at my Pub. I would like to see role-playing revitalized. There are a lot strenuous rules to go along with it. Especially about God-modding. There are restrictions in all areas of MD as well.

With new players coming in, I believe role-playing should have more impact in the game. Are the new players aware the forum is a place to convey ideas? Especially on this very topic?

I would like to hear everyone's thoughts on this, especially relatively new players. Perhaps there should be classes available again so we get role-playing done correctly.

Have you considered the "RP Reality requirement: moderate" aspect yet? I haven't looked into this very much myself, but I think it simply means that your RP has to follow the guidelines set by the amount of people. For example, if you have two or three people in a scene flying around or transforming, since the RP Reality requirement is set low, they can.

The issue that was happening is from when you have two or three people making up spells amongst a crowd of thirty people, and the rest of the group don't believe in the spells. If you can gather twenty or thirty people in a public area who all want to role play the same thing and have two or three people there that don't, I'd say the role player's win.


On a separate topic, I never understood why magic and abilities are seen as so essential to role playing. Back when Jester was a younger player he used to hang out in Cryxus' pub, getting drunk and starting wars with chairs for moving when he tried to sit down, or attempting to sing Bohemian Rhapsody with Granos. To me that was fun role playing.

I still remember a battle we had between the protectors of Bob and the rebels ....long back...when stormrunner and all was here... it was fun. I too remember some RP battles and events with HolyPaladin DEBA....we used fight a lot...dragon vs paladin ha ha.....I know I am deviating from the topic...just wanted to share my memories ....and RP is not something which is taught in some classes...it requires the player to imagine a lot, people should watch and learn, for example I learned to do RP from the chats between diff vet players...initially I wondered what these guys were doing....finally I knew that they were living in MD ...so entered and just became part of it.....so I would say let the vets (including me :-) ) start some RPs ...and let the new players watch and learn ..


-rider

My 2 cents:

There are several elements of good RP. People have often mentioned no god-modding: this is when you set your character as almighty and practically invincible. Then there is bunnying: when you RP another person's reaction. And then there is one more thing: following the setting.

MD used to have a setting: it's a distinct world of its own, whose inhabitants are people who were strangely transported to this world, landing on the paper cabin, meeting Marind and then deciding what to do, what role they want to take up in this world they are brand new to. Back then, roles like dragons, elves, demon etc was even frowned upon in the game concept, as you can see [url="http://magicduel.com/index.php?pag=presentationtext"]here[/url]. If you see the people who were chosen to be RPCs back then due to their roles that was deemed unique and suitable to MD, you could see that the most "roles" is closer to what they were doing, rather than what imaginary background or species they claim to be. For example, we had Thanasia who became a priestess after leading prayers, Alche who became a principles amalgam due to his adventures in Mt. Kelle'tha, RJ who became the drachorn master for adventuring inside the drachorn cave. Of course it's not that roles that include imaginary species does not exist, we had at least one metallic rabbit RPC in the realm, but it was not the shapeshifting, fire-ball throwing kind. This was way back then in MD.

Then with the coming of the first Festival, there was a large influx of a new kind of roleplayers. They take MD's "you can be anything you want" and interpreted it as meaning MD is a freeform RPG: you can be whatever creature you want and throw fireballs whenever you want. There was a large influx of roleplayers with this mindset and for quite a while, this type of RP flourished. But as a result, the setting of MD that used to exist is quite often ignored during this period.

Either side can argue which one is right, but with the revelations that happened rather recently, both sides really should have been reconciled. In terms of setting, MD is much more flexible than most RPGs: people are even allowed to alter the setting to a degree. As shown [url="http://magicduel.invisionzone.com/topic/6955-a-show-of-force-1-part-2/"]here[/url], MD is a world where everyone's fantasy world is merged. Its reality is a mix of its inhabitants reality: when something becomes a reality in the majority of people's minds, it becomes real. This is perfectly reflected by the "RP reality level" system. When everyone there believes something, it becomes real. As people have different concepts of what they can accept as reality, it's easier to make something real when there is only few people there, but it gets harder to get everyone to think the same when the number of people increases.

You mentioned that there are a lot of strenuous rules and restrictions in MD; I think it's inevitable. There's no rule about RP-ing when you're with like-minded people, as whatever you believe [i]is [/i]reality, but when in a large crowd, those restrictions reflect the fact that the reality is not changing according to your fantasy, because other people does not accept it as their reality.

I would also like to comment on the opinion that it's hard to find RP in MD nowadays. True, you don't see as many blue texts nowadays as a certain period back then, but it doesn't mean there is no RP in MD. As some people have said, RP is not just about blue text. For quite a lot of people, playing MD IS role playing. When they walk, talk or do anything, they are role-playing, even if you don't see blue texts. Even without extensive made up background or race, people can RP. If you look around MD, you can find RP all over the place, although it might not necessarily be the type of RP you think of.

So now we get to my point, since ideas are requested to "revitalize RP". My suggestion is: do more RP that is acceptable to more people in general. Just like an RP needs to be very real and fact based when a lot of people are present, the opposite is true. A place that have a more real and fact based RP will be acceptable to more people, and allows you to draw in from a larger pool of people to populate the place.

We obviously have different definitions of good RP, for me a good RPer is someone who starts of somewhere between rubbish and moderate skill wise then visibly develops over time.

I also fail to see how lands qualify as RPing groups in anything but the very loosest sense.

Windy's Pub used to be something of an RP group, an RP group is a group who congregate together for the purpose of RPing, this isn't the case with the lands.

Ehm I dont see you suggesting anything or actually finding the root of the problem, if there is a problem. All i can see is that your pub has no Role Players... Your problem.
[quote]Perhaps there should be classes available again so we get role-playing done correctly. [/quote] *coughs* Your idea of roleplaying is classes?????? and you even suggest there is a correct way to roleplay. Strike 1

Also [quote]To bring role playing back together the RIGHT way. [/quote] please enlighten me. What is the wrong and the right way to RP? For example your RP (Keida) to me looks rediculous because it disregards the reality of MD. Is your RP wrong? No offense just making a point.
Yours
TTL