Did you know? - Jail

[Chewett]

Over the past couple days iv had a lot of questions and in both chat and PM form about Jail. Why can people escape? Why are they allowed to play? Why are they not just banned? and i thought it might be interesting for me to post the responses on the forum.

[b]What is the difference between Jail and Banning?[/b]
The main difference between MD and other games is that there are two primary punishment methods. Jailing and Banning. If you are Jailed you are sent to the jail scene and marked as a convict. If you are banned you cannot play, cannot login, cannot do anything.

In MD's history very very few people have been banned, the preferred mechanism for punishing people is jail.

[b]So why have two methods?[/b]
When you are banned you are essentially not permitted to play the game. However when jailed you can still do a large number of actions, including escaping, sending PM's and still being involved in the world. Being sent to jail can just be part of your character and a number of players have successfully woven this into their characters history. Jailing a character allows them to continue to do what they were, and gives a much larger range of actions than just being banned. Jail as a punishment is the exclusion from the main "outside" world, many people treat jail as a ban, and dont bother logging on, but a smaller subset has roleplayed their being in jail, given jail "reports" on the forum or escaped and continued to play.

[b]Jail is so easy to escape![/b]
Over the past years iv seen numerous convicts stating that "Jail is so easy to escape" rather smugly, as if it is some achievement. Its humorous to see that they dont know very much about it. Jail is designed to be relatively easy to escape. I didnt understand why it was so easy to escape until i talked to Mur about it and being able to escape fits in perfectly with letting people "play" while being punished. If we wanted to, we could easily stop you from escaping it, and if we wanted to go all the way we would just remove jail completely and ban you. But thats not what MD is about. MD is different.

Just like resetting the GoE piller combinations, methods to escape the jail have slowly changed so that they are not entirely widespread, It keeps it as a level so that people need to do some work to work out exactly how to escape. But the likelihood is, at least while im around, there will always be a way to escape, provided you are smart enough to work it out, and have some friends to help.

If you are sent to jail, you can wait out your sentence, or attempt to escape knowing you are going to be in there longer if you are caught. To add more roleplay value there is now the fugitive system so that people could be "caught" if a number of people want to send you back to jail. Its all about having something unique, giving players the ability to change their own fate, become that criminal that keeps getting sent back to jail. or someone who is evading the law to prove their innocence.

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If people like this sort of thing, i might post some more up when i get a bit of time. Some of the design decisions, and lore of MD is interesting, and it appears many people have forgotten, or never heard of some of the genius behind MD. So comment if you are bored/like/dislike this so i can get some feedback

[BFH]

[quote name='Chewett' timestamp='1366461670' post='135088']
If people like this sort of thing, i might post some more up when i get a bit of time. Some of the design decisions, and lore of MD is interesting, and it appears many people have forgotten, or never heard of some of the genius behind MD. So comment if you are bored/like/dislike this so i can get some feedback
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Surely looking foward to hear more of this things!

[Kiley]

Nice Post Chew!!! Keep it coming

[Maebius]

Yes, very nice post, and I'm glad to see it, to direct folks that MD is different.
After all, "Do you want to play a game?"

[DARK DEMON]

[font=comic sans ms,cursive][color=#006400]Ya know I always want to know more [/color][/font]

[Tom Pouce]

Chewett

your post i find interesting, and its something that i would find attitude of value, but it make me ask in my mind some questions more than getting answeres


if i read you post i get that MD (concil) (Mur) is kind and want to make it banning an exception only for greath greath greath bad things, and making an player continue playing in a way more the ordinary outcome.

But since about 1 year that i play i get not that impression, personnaly i was threaten of banning first intead of being contact with explanation or nice discution firts (for my participation in gardening), and i have seen many death just for fun of it (and that is really an disguise banning for undertermine length , depend of others players or concil ) . in fact what i see in forum , is more the feeling of jumping to threaten or judge "apriory" with the most severe outcome first, and look only after ...

so i wonder if theory and application are not the same

Note: my post is neither an complain or critising, its only sharing my feeling of what i experienced

Edited April 20, 2013 by Tom Pouce

[Chewett]

[quote name='Tom Pouce' timestamp='1366493470' post='135105']
But since about 1 year that i play i get not that impression, personnaly i was threaten of banning first intead of being contact with explanation or nice discution firts (for my participation in gardening),
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I would ask if you have proof of them saying you will be banned, rather than being jailed. I would think you more misunderstood if initially, not understanding how things work. Trust me, Ban has only been used by massive spammers or those who have attempted to maliciously broken the game rather than you advocating growing and smoking illegal drugs.

[quote]nd i have seen many death just for fun of it (and that is really an disguise banning for undertermine length , depend of others players or concil ) . in fact what i see in forum , is more the feeling of jumping to threaten or judge "apriory" with the most severe outcome first, and look only after ...[/quote]

No one has ever been killed as a punishment in my knowledge. Feel free to point out where someone has been killed as a punishment.

Edited April 20, 2013 by Chewett

[Tom Pouce]

chewett i dont want to make discution really, my reference was public, and the message that Rumi sent me at that time was made public ...

the thing abut killing is that its like an banning, and its somethig that is first made possible by Mur and still allow ...

and my perception of "jumping to threaten or judge "apriory" with the most severe outcome first, and look only after ..." come in reading some forum situation that had occur and the feeling that i had perceive ... and perceiving is subjective its just what i have feel reading it ...

like i said my post was just to share my personnal perseption, and its not either an complain or critisim, but more sharing the contrast of what feeling i perceive in your post, in contrast of my experience feeling

(Tried to make my idea clearer)

Edited April 20, 2013 by Tom Pouce

[Kaya]

[quote name='Chewett' timestamp='1366493830' post='135106']
No one has ever been killed as a punishment in my knowledge. Feel free to point out where someone has been killed as a punishment.
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Quite a few murders were, in a way, a punishment, only not one from council/Mur.

But back to the point, I don't think the jail system really is there to be nicer than banning. I believe it's rather there because MD is what we make it, so banning a player is like banning a part of MD. It's the same reason why you can't get your account deleted. When you remove a player you remove part of MD history, which should only be done in the most extreme cases.

[Chewett]

[quote name='samon' timestamp='1366495374' post='135109']
Quite a few murders were, in a way, a punishment, only not one from council/Mur.
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I agree in that that many killings were punishment, but not from Mur/council/authority.

[quote name='samon' timestamp='1366495374' post='135109']
But back to the point, I don't think the jail system really is there to be nicer than banning. I believe it's rather there because MD is what we make it, so banning a player is like banning a part of MD. It's the same reason why you can't get your account deleted. When you remove a player you remove part of MD history, which should only be done in the most extreme cases.
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It seems we are saying the same things its nicer in regards to keeping MD as MD, in that as you said, banning removes a player. Actually one such player has actually returned after a ban, but i wont name him as he may not. So its not necessarily as final as it seems.

[dst]

Actually, imo, what seems to be a lighter punishment method (jail) is actually a harsher one.
When you're banned you can't access the site and that's it.
When you're in jail, you can log in, read the Mood Panel, post in it, see public logs, hell! even do quests. If you're lucky to have a tool, you can even harvest resources in jail. It's like when you're very thirsty, you see a big glass of cold water but you can't touch it.

Edited April 22, 2013 by dst