From what I can tell, this does not effect the normal players. Who else that is in an alliance has this?

Our Win|Loss ratio has stopped moving. My wins and losses have been the same since yesterday when I joined the alliance and Wodin tells me his has done the same. But, I know it's fine off the alliances because of my adepts. Anyone else?

Same problem to me. The bad thing about this is that my profile is balanced and i swear for god, no one, but no one (except ugauga that gives me 50 honor -.-) in MP5 gives me positive honor. At least i get extra Exp heh

Regards,

Braiton

heh, Well it is definitely confined to Alliances then..

I have the same bug. I get wins and losses on my battle log, but I don't get any in my personal counter. I haven't had an official win loss in three days, which as I am totally balanced really REALLY sucks, no matter how much I loose (which is a lot) I have gotten no credit.

yes same bug here . And We can attack MP3/MP4 players if they are in an alliance

Ren seemed to mention that it wasn't a bug apparently, because loyalty is supposed to be the thing that matters in alliances, not honor. However, honor still has its uses, and I still lose honor fighting normal players because of my balance. I'd be farming losses right now if I wasn't in an alliance. What is the need to freeze the balance?

And for Frooo's last sentence, I doubt that is a bug. Alliance members should be able to attack any of the enemy-alliance's members, right?

what seems to be the problem? thats not a bug, alliance fights are not related to the win loss count and to the honor system. you get rewarded for every won fight with loyalty , as llaince member you can attack everyone without carign about honor penalty, its separate gameplay from the rest. if you have things to settle with your honor or your ballance then do so outside alliance, if you dont enjoy alliance mode then dont play it, there are 10 seats in an alliance nobody asks you to stay there. Alliance is about beeing more relaxed about getting attacked and attacking without fear of losing honor or getting unbalanced

But you see, we can't attack everyone without honor penalty /: We lose honor (gain as well, but not often with my balance) attacking anyone, although we're in an alliance. This way, if I try to train my creatures and get more skills by attacking normal players, I will reach the -500 mark without much difficulty.

EDIT: what I wrote was assuming you mean alliance members to be wholly impervious to honor penalty, even when attacking normal players. Rereading it, it sounds like you could also mean that honor shouldn't matter to alliance members anyway, so honor penalty doesn't matter.

If it's the latter case, I disagree and can write up why, but I won't until I'm sure that's your meaning (don't want to waste effort if not).

I noticed something about my Win/Loss counter is that when I win, my counter doesn't change, but when I lose, my loss counter sometimes goes up...

EDIT: I'm in an alliance.

What I am worried about is what Glai said. If I loose to much honor I won't even be able to attack players anymore. I do enjoy guild play, I want to stay in a guild, but if I attack another guild player for loyalty I can still loose honor, I also loose honor from battles with regular players who may attack me and win....at a certain point don't you loose the option to battle with - honor?, or may only attack those who give positive?

so you say you lose and gain honor like a normal player?

if not like a normal player then HOW? can you give exact numbers or describe what seems to you to be the rule of this?

I cant fix anything based on rumors. also please dont copy paste a batllelog, just tell me your conclusions so i can check if they make sense.

Thanks

I've been watching my honor and win|loss ratio closely. It would appear to me that it is indeed functioning as if fighting under normal circumstances. Strangely enough, my ratio has started moving again too. I do not know if this is the same when fighting alliance members, I don't usually fight them. The honor gain/loss though definitely isn't random for me. It rises and falls the same as it does on my other accs.

I gain and lose honor when I'm attacking normal players, just like I did when I was outside alliance. The reward/penalty is not halved or doubled or anything odd like that. When I attack alliance members, I only gain or lose loyalty (I still don't know based on what).

I do gain and lose honor, because my battles are 105/114 I can find very few people with honor to attack. I would say that 90% of players in mp4 are not attackable for +honor, and always when losing I am penalized honor. When I battle I do lose or win honor, but because there are so few people I can attack without loosing honor I battle less.

Correction on the moving of the Win|loss ratio. My wins don't go up at all, but my losses always do. (Assuming a Defeated, of course)

Same bug here as well.... only thing that changes is losses, honor and loyalty. My Achievement log hasn't updated wins.

*Edited for clarity*

@Innundo: that loss was supposed to disappear. It's normal behavior. I cannot tell you more at this time but this is not a bug.

Since I posted I have gained two wins, and ten losses....many more battles took place. Does anyone know which battles get added? Is it losing to an alliance member or is it defeats and victories?

Well, if Manu says honor and won/lost doesn't matter anymore, I dont care. Perhaps freezing the 2 while in an aligiance wouldn't be a bad idea. also the bonus xp for ballance schould be removed then of course.

EDIT

Great.... now i'm at -600 and i don't get xp...

So the honor system does work as before.

Just to update.... My Honor DOES change with won and lost fights... I believe just like before.

AND, Only my LOSS counter increases with defeats... wins have stayed the same (not moving)

I have done a ton of fights and its the same everyday... honor and loss change with the loyalty, but wins do not.

Yes, we have a problem. The loss counter increases and the wins one stays (for me as example ) the same. I don't know which battles are added and which don't .Since there are more players that reported this I will ask for help. So if you have a theory or more info about this post it on the forum or PM me.

Thanks

Okay here is a log of attacks.... Towards the end I started copying the text from the Ritual screen that says how much honor you should get, etc...

I started off with my win/loss ratio, honor, loyalty. Then I logged the attack and refreshed noting the new win/loss ratio, honor, loyalty.

Won: 273 | Lost: 491

Honor: 5000

Loyalty: 133

Attacked sioux...

WINNER enemy gets a loss

0% vs 100%

*** Combat details (under construction). 'E' is defender, 'A' is attacker

Your honor reward for this battle: 0

Your loyalty reward for this battle: 0

Enemy honor reward for this battle: -17 (This is supposed to be enemy honor, but notice here, and look below at MY honor penalization)

Enemy loyalty reward for this battle: 0

You were penalised with 3 honor for loosing this fight (I was penalized 17 not 3)

Won: 273 | Lost: 491

Honor: 4983

Loyalty: 133

Attacked Sacophilz...

WINNER

0% vs 100%

Combat details (under construction). 'A' is you, 'E' is enemy

Honor reward for this battle: -132 (Correct)

Loyalty reward for this battle: 0

Enemy was penalised with 3 honor for loosing this fight

Won: 273 | Lost: 491

Honor: 4851 (Correct)

Loyalty: 133

Attacked Manweor...

WINNER enemy gets a loss

4% vs 100%

Combat details (under construction). 'A' is you, 'E' is enemy

Honor reward for this battle: -81 (Correct)

Loyalty reward for this battle: 0

Enemy was penalised with 4 honor for loosing this fight

Won: 273 | Lost: 491

Honor: 4770 (Correct)

Loyalty: 133

Attacked Laz...

~~VICTORIOUS!~~

20% vs 98%

Combat details (under construction). 'A' is you, 'E' is enemy

Honor reward for this battle: -8 (Correct)

Loyalty reward for this battle: 0

Enemy was penalised with 5 honor for loosing this fight

Won: 273 | Lost: 491

Honor: 4762 (Correct)

Loyalty: 133

Attacked Graziel...

WINNER

0% vs 100%

Combat details (under construction). 'A' is you, 'E' is enemy

Honor reward for this battle: 166 (Correct)

Loyalty reward for this battle: 0

Enemy was penalised with 5 honor for loosing this fight

Won: 273 | Lost: 491

Honor: 4928 (Correct)

Loyalty: 133

Attacked Ghost Hunter...

You Retreated

79% vs 54%

Combat details (under construction). 'A' is you, 'E' is enemy

Honor reward for this battle: 0 (Correct)

Loyalty reward for this battle: 0

Won: 273 | Lost: 491

Honor: 4928 (Correct)

Loyalty: 133

Attacked by Thrall... (Was attacked by Thrall here, looks ok to me?)

~~VICTORIOUS!~~

22% vs 80%

*** Combat details (under construction). 'E' is defender, 'A' is attacker

Your honor reward for this battle: 0 (Correct)

Your loyalty reward for this battle: 0

Enemy honor reward for this battle: 0

Enemy loyalty reward for this battle: 0

Won: 273 | Lost: 491

Honor: 4928 (Correct)

Loyalty: 133

_______ Here is the log change where I copied info from Ritual page______

*** Attacking thrall ***

You will get 168 honor points if you win this fight

You will get loyalty points if you win this fight

WINNER

0% vs 100%

Combat details (under construction). 'A' is you, 'E' is enemy

Honor reward for this battle: 166 (Discrepancy of 2 points)

Loyalty reward for this battle: 0

Won: 273 | Lost: 491

Honor: 5000 (Correct - due to max)

Loyalty: 133

*** Attacking sioux ***

You will get -18 honor points if you win this fight

You will get loyalty points if you win this fight

WINNER

13% vs 100%

Combat details (under construction). 'A' is you, 'E' is enemy

Honor reward for this battle: -18 (Correct)

Loyalty reward for this battle: 0

Enemy was penalised with 5 honor for loosing this fight

Won: 273 | Lost: 491

Honor: 4982 (Correct)

Loyalty: 133

*** Attacking Sacosphilz ***

You will get -133 honor points if you win this fight

You will get loyalty points if you win this fight

WINNER

0% vs 100%

Combat details (under construction). 'A' is you, 'E' is enemy

Honor reward for this battle: -133 (Correct)

Loyalty reward for this battle: 0

Enemy was penalised with 2 honor for loosing this fight

Won: 273 | Lost: 491

Honor: 4849 (Correct)

Loyalty: 133

*** Attacking Manweor ***

You will get -82 honor points if you win this fight

You will get loyalty points if you win this fight

WINNER

2% vs 100%

Combat details (under construction). 'A' is you, 'E' is enemy

Honor reward for this battle: -82 (Correct)

Loyalty reward for this battle: 0

Enemy was penalised with 2 honor for loosing this fight

Won: 273 | Lost: 491

Honor: 4767 (Correct)

Loyalty: 133

*** Attacking Laz ***

You will get -8 honor points if you win this fight

You will get loyalty points if you win this fight

~~VICTORIOUS!~~

26% vs 70%

Combat details (under construction). 'A' is you, 'E' is enemy

Honor reward for this battle: -8 (Correct)

Loyalty reward for this battle: 0

Enemy was penalised with 5 honor for loosing this fight

Won: 273 | Lost: 491

Honor: 4759 (Correct)

Loyalty: 133

*** Attacking Korp ***

You will get -11 honor points if you win this fight

You will get loyalty points if you win this fight

You Retreated

60% vs 50%

Combat details (under construction). 'A' is you, 'E' is enemy

Honor reward for this battle: 0 (Discrepancy - no change)

Loyalty reward for this battle: 0

Won: 273 | Lost: 491

Honor: 4759 (Discrepancy - no change)

Loyalty: 133

*** Attacking dst *** (Alliance member test)

You will get -84 honor points if you win this fight

You will get loyalty points if you win this fight

~~DEFEATED~~

100% vs 0%

Combat details (under construction). 'A' is you, 'E' is enemy

Honor reward for this battle: 0 (Discrepancy - no change)

Loyalty reward for this battle: 0

You were penalised with 1 loyalty for loosing this fight

Won: 273 | Lost: 491

Honor: 4759 (Discrepancy - no change)

Loyalty: 133 (Discrepancy - no change)

Attacked by Siul...

You Retreated enemy gets a victory

84% vs 43%

*** Combat details (under construction). 'E' is defender, 'A' is attacker

Your honor reward for this battle: 0

Your loyalty reward for this battle: 0

Enemy honor reward for this battle: -61

Enemy loyalty reward for this battle: 0

You were penalised with 5 honor for loosing this fight (Correct)

Won: 273 | Lost: 491

Honor: 4754 (Correct)

Loyalty: 133

So for the moment the Win/loss and Loyalty counters do not move at all... just the honor.

This has changed since yesterday when I was clearly showing LOSSES on my battle counter

Edit: I just attacked Shoeps and got my Loss counter to increase by one....

~~DEFEATED~~ enemy gets a victory

100% vs -18%

*** Combat details (under construction). 'E' is defender, 'A' is attacker

Your honor reward for this battle: 0

Your loyalty reward for this battle: 0

Enemy honor reward for this battle: 0

Enemy loyalty reward for this battle: 0

Enemy was penalised with 1 loyalty for loosing this fight (I lost, so I should be penalised)

Won: 273 | Lost: 492

Honor: 3668

Loyalty: 134 (<--- error)

Now the interesting part here is that not only did my loss counter increase by one, BUT my Loyalty increase by one as well...

I'm not an alliance member, but I've also been having a problem with my win/loss counter not recording wins. Losses seem to be counted normally, but wins are not increasing despite won battles. My honor also seems to be affected and is not changing.

I'm not an alliance member, but I've also been having a problem with my win/loss counter not recording wins. Losses seem to be counted normally, but wins are not increasing despite won battles. My honor also seems to be affected and is not changing.

Are you counting Wins or Victories? Only Victory's move the counter as a +1 Win

Oh yeah, I'm in the same boat. I've had numerous try victorious wins, and yet...my win count doesn't change...at all. *sniffs* makes it hard to get wins. Lol.