Chat Ban Abuse

[Seigheart]

I have been banned from Chat IG. By who? Why... DST of course.

And for what reason? Absolutely none what so ever.

She used her Mouth Sewing Kit against me, when it explicitly says

[quote]
[color="#cccccc"]Ann. 1626 - [2010-09-28 02:05:26 - Stage 10][/color]
Chat ban ability is now available for LHO and/or other roles that might need it. The ban prevents a target player from talking in the chat, that includes spell casting too. Duration of the block and reuse interval can be configured. The ability will come as an item ("Mouth Sewing Kit"). [b]Those that will be using it are asked to remember that this is intended to be used to prevent abuse and as an intermediate level of punishment before jail/ban[/b]. It should not be used for fun. [/quote]



Proof via Screenshot:

[url="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/21/dstchatabuse.jpg"]http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/21/dstchatabuse.jpg[/url]

[dst]

Cool. Jail! Yay!

Tomorrow I will also upload the print screen where fenrir here prevented e from speaking (me as an LHO) and also the log.


You might want ti upload the picture using the forum's features because I cannot read what it says in the triggers.

Edited August 8, 2011 by dst

[Kyphis the Bard]

I'm sorry, I don't see anywhere in that screenshot where it says dst sewed your mouth shut? It only says that your mouth was sewed shut.

Are you sure that you uploaded the right file?

(Just to clarify, I'm not disputing that it happened, since dst essentially confirmed it herself when she made her post. Just alerting you that your screenshot doesn't seem to provide any further data, other than the obviouse fact that you are seigheart >.>)

Oh, and the relevant trigger reads:
UID 182140: Item chatban

Edited August 8, 2011 by Kyphis the Bard

[Curiose]

Not a direct quote, so don't hang me for it:

1. The rule is basically that everyone is free to use the silence spell per their own discretion.
2. Everyone is also free to punish those who use it, at their own discretion.
Information received from the "Abuse of Silence Spell" thread, where Mur has pretty much agreed that this is the ruling.

So. If Fenrir silenced Dst first, Dst has the right to silence the person back. And being an LHO, who needs to be able to speak to newbies, I find that the silencing in return is necessary.

[Pipstickz]

Yes, Curi, but dst didn't just silence Seig, she used an LHO item intended for very extreme cases.

My personal thoughts are like this: You're silenced for a few minutes, I'm sure you'll live, but if you're silenced for hours, it's crossing the line.

[Seigheart]

If she used the spell to silence me, what ever. But she used an item to be used against people for extreme cases. (And there is no chat command or spell signature for the Mouth Sewing Kit, which is why I posted that ss)

You were not helping newbies dst. You were not acting in the role of a LHO. You were harping on me, and blah blah blah, so I bunnyspeaked you. Big deal. 8 minutes as a copy of Metal Bunny is not a problem. But Chat Banning for no reason? Kind of an extreme response.

Whether or not this is deserving of a punishment, or what ever I don't care. That is up to the Council or Mur to decide.

[Nimrodel]

erm. Forgive if i'm wrong. Using the item once is abuse?

Punishments have been usually given for abusing repeatedly. Not once. >.>

[Seigheart]

The item was used for a personal, vindictive reason.

It's like yrth getting a penalty point for forcing Eon to join GG, and then punishing him....

He did it once, and then got it trouble.

Somethings shouldn't be abused, LHO tools are one. King tools are another.

[dst]

Shutting up a LHO is an abuse that needs to be punished.

[Seigheart]

The use of the spells are not restricted in any way.

Just because you're an "LHO", if you wanna call yourself that, doesn't mean anything.

You are absolutely no different from any other player DST.

[Pipstickz]

I have to agree with Seig here, if dst was not doing LHO duties in chat at the time, then the fact that she is LHO should not be considered in this matter. Just being LHO doesn't give you special rights that others don't have.

[dst]

So you want war? Sue me Fenrir if you have the guts. I am waiting.

But be warned that you have to prove that I actually abused that item. 1 cast is not enough.

[Pothos]

may be the only one to notice this but... Why in gods name is he useing Internet Explorer? Or should I say the proper name, internet exploder.
Come on now my friend, There is firefox, there is crome, they shall treat you much, much better than that thing ever shall.

[Seigheart]

I use what ever I want to use.

I am not taking this to trial. Why? Because I don't care. I am not fighting for a punishment. I am not a vindictive person dst. Sorry, but that's your job.

I don't care enough to take this to trial.

All these "If you dare" and crap, I really don't care. I have a life, so your petty little challenges mean nothing.

[Curiose]

If you didn't care, you wouldn't have been whining about it in the first place.

[Pipstickz]

This doesn't NEED to go to trial, it's blatant misuse of an LHO tool, and Grido should deal with it. Unless, that is, he thinks that this is acceptable behavior?

[Seigheart]

Again, pip is right. If another LHO had done this to me, I still would have made a post about it on the fourm

[Seigheart]

So, is Grido, Mur, or the Council going to reply to this?

[Jubaris]

abuse can be done once, it is wrong only when repeated?
oh, this is epic

My opinion:
If Seigh silenced dst without reason (using the public spell), he should be warned proper way.
If Dst silenced Seigh via a mouthsewing kit, she should be warned in proper way, retaliation is not an excuse for abuse (ooo it rhymes!), especially cause it's unpropportional.

Warnings, because it wasn't repeated on either side, well, at least not in short period of time and the offenses weren't that damaging (I hope?).

Why are LHOs starting to remind me of cops?

[Pipstickz]

I would like to bring up, now that I've remembered, that this isn't the first time dst has abuse a silence tool, though last time chatban wasn't around, so she had to use the silence spell.

Honestly, after reading a bit of that thread again, I'm still in favour of removing the silence completely, or at least restricting it to certain responsible people who have shown they are level-headed in heated situations, and I think dst should be with the first ones to lose it, because she has too many personal arguments, and LHO status SHOULD NOT grant immunity to punishment as Grido's silence so far seems to indicate.

As much as LHOs may be beneficial, they get rewarded with medals and credits and trust in the community, they should not have official immunities as well, and the trust they recieve should be as limited as anybody's.

Edited August 18, 2011 by Pipstickz

[Seigheart]

Almost been an entire month since this has happened, and yet still no word from either Grido, the Council, or Mur.

Is this seriously just going to be swept under the rug and pretend it never happened?

[Quas]

nice votes xD

anyway, thanks for the clearing out

Edited September 6, 2011 by Quashen

[Pipstickz]

Toadspeak is a spell, and spells are free to be used as the owner sees fit. The Mouth Sewing Kit, however, is an administrative tool not to be used for personal arguments. Well, according to Mur's announcement at least.

[quote][color=#CCCCCC]Ann. 1626 - [2010-09-28 02:05:26 - Stage 10][/color]
Chat ban ability is now available for LHO and/or other roles that might need it. The ban prevents a target player from talking in the chat, that includes spell casting too. Duration of the block and reuse interval can be configured. The ability will come as an item ("Mouth Sewing Kit"). Those that will be using it are asked to remember that this is intended to be used to prevent abuse and as an intermediate level of punishment before jail/ban. It should not be used for fun.[/quote]

Also, please choose your words with more care, swearing is generally looked down upon.

Edited September 5, 2011 by Pipstickz

[Windy]

Isn't Grido away for awhile?

[Seigheart]

Quas, like Pip has said; I can silence and toadspeak anyone I feel like. But using an LHO tool (which should belong only to responsible adults) because someone bunnyspeaked you is wrong.

Grido was made aware of this topic weeks ago but has declined to comment. When asked if anything was done about it, it was also ignored.

I can only assume it is because of his personal relationship with Dst, but who knows?