Citizenship Discussion

[Chewett]

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Edited February 20, 2013 by Chewett

[DARK DEMON]

[font=comic sans ms,cursive][color=#008000]For Loreroot so far:[/color][/font]


18/11/12 12:00:01 Ant King was being voted on to join the land. Vote was successful 4289/8464 (51%)

18/11/12 12:00:01 DARK DEMON was being voted on to join the land. Vote was successful 3996/8464 (47%)

20/11/12 12:00:01 Esmaralda was being voted on to join the land. Vote was successful 5481/8668 (63%)

21/11/12 12:00:01 Darry Dabby was being voted on to join the land. Vote was successful 5042/8806 (57%)

24/11/12 12:00:01 Lintara was being voted on to join the land. Vote was successful 4425/10322 (43%)

27/11/12 12:00:01 Plix Plox was being voted on to join the land. Vote failed -261/9355 (-3%)

28/11/12 12:00:02 Guardian of Root L857 was being voted on to leave the land. Vote failed 2357/10125 (23%)

Edited December 14, 2012 by DARK DEMON

[Burns]

18/11/12 12:00:01 | AgmaluchXII was being voted on to leave the land. Vote failed 1469/8521 (17%)
20/11/12 12:00:01 | BitterSweet was being voted on to leave the land. Vote failed 4521/10128 (45%)
20/11/12 12:00:01 | Dosoto was being voted on to leave the land. Vote failed 4521/10690 (42%)
20/11/12 12:00:01 | Dravin was being voted on to leave the land. Vote failed 4521/10690 (42%)
22/11/12 12:00:01 | Evil Bobbo was being voted on to leave the land. Vote failed 3669/10159 (36%)
23/11/12 12:00:01 | Paul was being voted on to leave the land. Vote failed 4821/10174 (47%)

[Azull]

18/11/12 12:00:01 Dragual Monarth was being voted on to join the land. Vote was successful 2205/4904 (45%)
18/11/12 12:00:01 Aysun was being voted on to leave the land. Vote was successful 3273/5188 (63%)
19/11/12 12:00:01 VorniC was being voted on to join the land. Vote failed 864/5200 (17%)
20/11/12 12:00:01 Eon was being voted on to join the land. Vote failed -3670/4930 (-74%)
20/11/12 12:00:01 Shammus was being voted on to join the land.Vote failed -2501/4323 (-58%)
21/11/12 12:00:01 Lazarus was being voted on to join the land. Vote failed 1516/4481 (34%)
22/11/12 12:00:01 Jester3214 was being voted on to leave the land. Vote was successful 3124/4490 (70%)
26/11/12 12:00:01 Pamplemousse Ribbit was being voted on to leave the land. Vote was successful 3020/4578 (66%)
27/11/12 12:00:01 Sunfire was being voted on to join the land. Vote failed 988/4589 (22%)
06/12/12 12:00:02 Mercurial Spectre was being voted on to join the land. Vote failed 954/5200 (18%)

Edited December 14, 2012 by Azull

[Jubaris]

Seems only Loreroot and Necrovion are able to bring successful votes so far.

[Tom Pouce]

The historically tried and use way to vote

in democraty is
- one vote one man
- an null or cancel vote dont count one way or the other
- if one man dont vote, it dont count one way or the other


The other historically tried and use way that work is like in company voting
- one vote is weight per number of share own
- if one dont vote his shares it dont count one way or the other

Md way is (as i understand)
- one vote is weight per amount of loyauty
- if one dont vote , its count as being agains

if one look it can see that vote wieight per amount of loyauty is similar to company vote weight per share own.
But what is making it all going awray is the fact that one dont vote , it count as being agains.

- one can reason like was bring by others, that if the camp "for" is not able to bring to vote those that dont vote, they fail somewhat and the no vote should be count "agains"
BUT a similar reason can be bring, that if the camp "agains" is not able to bring to vote "agains" those that dont vote, that it should be count as "for"
So you see that those 2 line of reasonning are plausible, and should annul one the other
I.E. if one dont vote, it should not have any influence on the vote "for" or "agains"

the way its done in MD now, it mean that to work it need a land where most (old) players vote,
if a land as many players that dont care in politic for citizenship it wont work well

My suggestion
just remove the fact that one not voting influence the outcome of the vote

Edited December 14, 2012 by Tom Pouce

[Liberty4life]

hold on buddy, in worldwidely used types of democracy that you pointed out have unvoted or null votes mean that they comply with majority that doesnt mean there actually aint other types of democracies that have it done differently, in fact democracy is wide term with lots of differences from one place to another, democracy just means that every man has right to influence things in his community, now how exactly is that influence decided depends on many factors, its no new thing to see abstained votes to count as "against", in many parliaments there has to be exact quota of "for" votes met in order for certain law to pass, which in short means that members of parliament who abstain from voting are counted as "against"

and personally i dont see why is this problem?

only problem i can see is inactive citizens, theres big difference between active citizens who dont wanna vote on given "subject", but indeed there is problem with citizens who are away from game on long term or stopped entierly, but real problem is how to filter out those who dont play yet still log in regulary for their AD, imo those types of inactive votes shouldnt be taken into account