DARK DEMON

And I need 6 for each 1 they get. Still, do it for the spirit of a quest, if you're having fun :) Volition is soon to have many more uses, apparently. Building it up does no harm.

I strongly say "no". Those are all things you obtain with wishpoints. The things you can only earn, the hard way. Making them "pay-to-get" is just wrong imo. Other items you mention, like "Book of Lore"/research panel... I see this identical to K-docs. These are just easy-way-around things for those who have money and will greatly undervalue not only the only thing that you can't pay for (aka wishpoints) but also the value of research. Most of it is not supposed to be "common". I doubt any person at all in MD would "sell" a thing as research.

There's no harm in posting this small part of Asthir's entry here I guess. It will blow your minds away. http://storenow.net/my/?f=886042b814fcbf03566f12458cdc6eca And he actually had "physical" proof for this too by the way, which he sent in an earlier message, but I can't post that because it is evidence that can be found by anyone who looks more deeply in the Labyrinth (hence a spoiler). I personally never wanted nor like "which is better" arguments, especially when there's no point in continuing, but nowadays its unavoidable it seems. I've said this earlier and I'll say it again: Amber's entry was awesome, hence she got the second prize. Please see the original thread and see what exactly I've kept in mind when judging: logic. I didn't let "the answer I had in mind" influence any scoring, except the 5-points "answer" category. She did very well and was impressive in proving her answer, and got the points for it.

Actually, if you put it that way, one wouldn't ever have an exact way to prove 0x0 at all. I, just now, stated that it existed. Before this, I highly doubt that you could say 0x0 is right, judging by what "existed". Amber hasn't even stated any evidence for 0x0 for you to make a comment on which is "more right". Once your mind is involved in this kind of thing, its very difficult to "make it up". You'll spend the rest of your life trying to figure out which is more "right". I'd rather accept both as "right" and not delve on the "more" aspect.

You will see the answer for yourself in a few days, I guarantee you :)

Nobody denies that. Those who have said that there are multiple centers, are free to believe so. Those who say there are none, are also free to believe so. But this quest encouraged people to find evidence and realize a new center, one which nobody else had thought of before. And, what dst posted, indeed :P If a thing such as the center of the Labyrinth was meant to be a simple thing to believe, then what was the reason for 0x0 being inaccessible? People also thought that 0x0 didn't exist, because there was no way to access it. But the fact that it does, changes everything. Its a never-ending topic with never-ending thoughts. Couple that with the fact that any two people will not entirely agree with the other's interpretation, and you have an insanely interesting concept worthy of research. :P

This is beautifully awesome. I always knew (and told people) that the Labyrinth is in a way connected to the whole of MD, but that was in a different sense. What you just said is actually very good evidence to make one invest brain+time pondering about this point of view... Thank you for bringing this up. Don't we all agree that there are 10 lands in MD? Necrovion, Loreroot, Golemus, Marind Bell, Underground, East, Prison, Labyrinth, MDA and NML? This is automatic acknowledgement that these 10 lands exist and no more. Now, what if I just say that a dozen more lands existed? Oh, I know you don't believe they do, but they do exist. How does it sound this way? :) We can never say that something exists, without believing so. Shadowseeker's and my own context of the word "precision" is different from mathematical precision. There IS evidence to support 0x-0.5 as the center, and whoever finds this evidence will know precisely what its connection is.

One of the hidden purposes of the quest was to give 0x-0.5 a reason to exist. Who ever claimed that it cannot exist? :) Why did the point shift? What would your logic behind that be? If coordinates can "shift", wouldn't that apply to the whole of MD? It cannot shift. Like I said, "your" center 0x0 indeed exists. If it shifted, then it would mean that it would have to disappear from one place in order to appear in the other. Still however, I am really curious about your logic :) Why care about precision? Many of the participants actually suggested that there are multiple centers, or that there is no center. The Labyrinth is flexible. It is not mechanical. It almost never works or presents itself in the same way for any two people. Thus I believe precision is one of the least important aspects here, personally. So what is it that makes just this one scene special? ;)

As Myth said, going strictly by geographical distance does not lead you to 0x0. It does not lead you anywhere, in fact. 0x0 does exist indeed (the scene was created long ago). It is inaccessible in any way, but it does exist. Its an illusion, in fact, fooling people to believe it is the center. 0x-0.5, however, doesn't exist at all... yet... maybe... how could it? :D

It was mostly for the participants. However, do find me in game and I'll always be willing to discuss anything about the Labyrinth.

http://magicduel.invisionzone.com/topic/16001-center-of-the-labyrinth/ I must apologize for the delay, I was quite busy.

I do really appreciate this kindness, but only wish it extended to others and not just us two. We want to motivate every quest-maker out there, don't we? :) So, until then, I am afraid I cannot accept this.

The exact answer to this is... 6_0x-0.5_1. Many of the participants actually got this from the midpoint formula (or were close), but didn't give importance to it and never submitted it! :)) In truth, this is a major concept about the Labyrinth: its center coordinates are broken, i.e the only one which is not a whole number. It could only exist if you imagined and believed it to exist. However, if you consider the Labyrinth as a rectangular mirror, and the center as the initial point where the "glass" breaks, the proof of its effect is visible and does exist physically (yes, you can see it if you come to the Labyrinth with this intention, and not the intention of "not getting lost" :P). You will get lost. You must be willing to get lost. If you draw a map, its even more so obvious, provided that you look at it from the correct perspective. The Labyrinth will never give you what you expect from it. And what is unique about it is that those who actually realize this will not be surprised. Even then, expecting the unexpected is not enough. To truly understand it, you must enjoy doing so, and then it becomes a really simple matter. But managing to do this is not simple at all. I'll be making more topics in the future, regarding the Labyrinth's association with the mind and the Void. Those may fill up more gaps as to how understand its secrets and concepts.

My AP and regen is now normalized. I believe I am able to participate now. http://magicduel.com/players/Dark_Demon

Happy birthday!

I want to thank Ailith greatly for accepting to devote her time to judge the entries. Rewards will now be distributed.

I agree. I withdraw any intention to participate in such quests in the future, now that I know what exactly "insane" is :))

Chew talked about your submission being invalid, don't blame me for someone else's words. I disqualified you for many reasons which I will not state here because you and I both don't want to remember it. Your actions deemed your submission invalid.

I didn't know that the way Eara used could exist or ever be possible. You get lots of unexpected stuff from these kinda quests, ya know :P If it was a commonly known thing, I would have definitely stated that it is not allowed.

Nobody knows how many ways there are for a submission to be invalid, until someone actually submits them. Thus, for now I only know one, and this was the way Eara used. Like I had said in the start, this was a very open topic with no fixed explanation, and hence chances for something not being valid were very low in the first place. If your question is answered, it will automatically reveal everything Eara did/submitted that got her disqualified, and we don't want someone trying to do that again in the future, do we?

Believe me when I say that this is not a thing to ask and be answered to publicly.

Sounds awesome. Though, does "MD shop items to increase volition" include using the temporary regen counter reduction for faster AP, hence more gain in volition? Or is this only limited to stat boosters?

-edit- Didn't see above posts. But still... when does voting start? :P

She was disqualified. I am not allowed nor will go to details about Eara's case, it was and will remain private.

Participants scores Asthir --- 5+9+5 = 19 AmberRune --- 3+8+5 = 16 Azrafar --- 2+7+4 = 13 lashtal --- 2+6+2 = 10 Hiria --- 2+5+2 = 9 Eagle Eye --- 2+2+1 = 5 Soothing Sands --- 2+2+1 = 5 Lania --- 2+5+2 = 8 Rophs --- 4+3+1 = 8