Muratus del Mur

After the Yrthilian voting I have been thinking a lot about the issue with the lands and their kings in the realm.
A king should have _power_, but should also earn his reputation and respect. Respect should not be granted by default. A king that can't get his poeple to respect him is not a king afterall, but power should be granted. Of course power and respect are directly related, you will respect more someone that could kill you by pointing a finger.

Based on recent events, i consider Kings could be "banished" by first taking over the main alliance of their land and then instigating their people to vote against them. The word banished is better than demoted, because kingship should not be considered a job or promotion but an absolute position.

The powers of such a ruler should be absolute over the people of his land. Therefor i will implement a citizenship system and players will be marked as beinng part of a land or an other, obeying the rules of that land and accepting the king, or queen, as the one person (except me ) to have decision power over their destiny.

The king will be able to change tags of his people, but for now these tags should be first discussed with me and i will check and aprove if they are indeed deserved. I dont want a tag inflation or tags to lose their importance, but i also don't want tags to be forgotten or ignored just because some got them and most didn't, like its now.

The king can directly decide regarding things that concern the land, such as land weapon, character belonging to that land, direction the land will go in diplomatic situations with other lands, etc.
Regarding characters, the current realm situation is like this:

- Wodin belongs to GG land. It can be summoned by the aliance leader of the land, or by its king if these two are not one and the same.
- Shade Sentinel does not belong to its people but the people belong to it. However, the Sentinel does not have direct decision power over the people and Necrovians have their free will. A HUMAN king will be elected soon. While humans and shades are in good relations within Necrovion, the Sentinel will most likely not cross the words of the king.
- The summoned army has no identity, it will act as an animal with no regard of king or diplomacy.
- Knator Commander, even if no longer holding an official position within Loreroot, its a Lorerootian creature and in matters that involve the benefit of the land , he obeys only the king. Being a retired general, he can refuse to join army, but he can never turn weapons against Loreroot.
- The character that will be assigned to Marind Bell in the future, will have similar rules as the Shade Sentinel. The Angiens and the people of Marind Bell are occupying the land same as submarines and fishes occupy the ocean. Humans can not decide over the Angiens, and angiens will never decide over the wishes of humans as long as they live in good relations together. In case of need, Angiens as well as Shades, will be always at the side of their land and never against it. being at the side of the land does not always mean being at the side of its leadership, it means protecting its interests.


The order of power in the realm is this:

- Muratus del Mur (Me)
- People Votes
- Kings
- Administrative structures and councils

Untill other changes in the realm, i consider this to be the political base structure. It can be adapted to each land by using the power of vote, confirmed by me.

Note that the power of vote is above Kings. Votes can banish kings, but i won't hold kingship elections to often i can assure you of that. As I said above, you need first to takeover the land before claiming to be its king.

Elections to establish Kings for each land will start now, i will be organizing them one by one and keep you informed on the main newslog and here on the forum.

Each land will require a slightly different political structure. It is the duty and right of the king to keep or not to keep this political structure. If he wants to rule by a council, or be a dictator, the king decides, of course with the risk of starting a riot.

For the elections candidates will be required to present their political plan for people to see before they vote.

Last note:
Because MD is not a democracy by default, i will not accept in king position any person that i do not feel confortable with, or that i can not communicate easily to. I will not replace kings and i will respect their decisions always, but I WILL in case i consider needed, initiate new elections (without taking over their land) if i consider such elections are needed and there is no one able to initiate them.

might be a bit offtopic and better in a separate topic, but still, i want to post this question:

What do you think about the fairness of the new voting system. I plan to use it , with similar but not allways identical rules, for diciding other major issues about the realm.

I am waiting for a honest reply from both sides please.

Note:
i didnt judged the arguments themselves but judged if the vote was well argumented or not, as ai said, BUT in a few cases the arguments where PRO while the vote was negative, or the opposite, in such cases i gave a low rating because you cant claim reasons for an opposite vote than the one you are giving. Also i judged some of the arguments that sounded realy undocumented or wrong, some of you , a few did that. Anyway, i did my best not to influence the results with my personal opinion , i ddint voted, but i want to hear from you if i succeeded or not to do a fair trial.

might be a bit offtopic and better in a separate topic, but still, i want to post this question:

What do you think about the fairness of the new voting system. I plan to use it , with similar but not allways identical rules, for diciding other major issues about the realm.

I am waiting for a honest reply from both sides please.

Note:
i didnt judged the arguments themselves but judged if the vote was well argumented or not, as ai said, BUT in a few cases the arguments where PRO while the vote was negative, or the opposite, in such cases i gave a low rating because you cant claim reasons for an opposite vote than the one you are giving. Also i judged some of the arguments that sounded realy undocumented or wrong, some of you , a few did that. Anyway, i did my best not to influence the results with my personal opinion , i ddint voted, but i want to hear from you if i succeeded or not to do a fair trial.

Here are the FULL records of the votes. I removed colums that are irrelevant such as ip, ids and also the player details of those voting to keep them anonymous. Those that signed yourself in the argument itself, bad luck (i think i removed your signatures anyway).


citizen is the Land, vote is -1 for against, 1 for in favor, votepower is a mark from 1 to 10 for how founded the argument was (i was not judging your arguments , just judging if you had one or not), reputation is the reputation of the player given on a subjective based on how popular I consider you to be (from 0 to 2) and extrafactor is calculated based on your land affiliation.

I didnt give any 10 mark on purpose because i am not fully decided yet what a 10 should be given for. One of the posts there deserved a 10 however.


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Here are the FULL records of the votes. I removed colums that are irrelevant such as ip, ids and also the player details of those voting to keep them anonymous. Those that signed yourself in the argument itself, bad luck (i think i removed your signatures anyway).


citizen is the Land, vote is -1 for against, 1 for in favor, votepower is a mark from 1 to 10 for how founded the argument was (i was not judging your arguments , just judging if you had one or not), reputation is the reputation of the player given on a subjective based on how popular I consider you to be (from 0 to 2) and extrafactor is calculated based on your land affiliation.

I didnt give any 10 mark on purpose because i am not fully decided yet what a 10 should be given for. One of the posts there deserved a 10 however.


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First winner , Team 1 .. DST.
Congratulations!

I see your imagination for torturing devices exceeds my wildest dreams )) oh my, what a collection of little monsters i gathered in here ...)))))

its so fun reading all this

@Kafuuka: SAW style situations are good too?

Kalamanira Kol baned. Amoran account remaned to "Amoran K Kol". tag and description removed. THis is your last account in MD, alts of this account will not be treated as different people, you will not get one alt baned per insult, but all at once. Remember that well because next time its goodbye for good.

Your maturity level as well as your brain function seems to have decreased recently.
If you recall, Fenrir Greycloth was caught with stolen artwork and thus was immediately kicked from the guild.

As for the "many" artists you claim we never got to on the forum?
I approached several, none wished to join. Perhaps then that the fault of that can be left on your shoulders and your poor way of managing the game in general.

So what else do you intend to lie to your members about? First the incident with the Shades and now the management of the Artisans Guild.
So go on, make a list. What else?

What of the members of the guild such as Poppi Chulloz and Glume who are both very talented artists?
What do they get for choosing to involve themselves in drawing for your game?
If you think you can manage the guild better, go for it but so far you've just wasted a whole lot of talent away.

[quote name='Amoran Kalamanira Kol' date='03 October 2009 - 11:02 AM' timestamp='1254582173' post='43594']

If you recall, Fenrir Greycloth was caught with stolen artwork and thus was immediately kicked from the guild.
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Actually, I left on my own accord... No threats to be kicked either.

[quote][2009-10-03 12:54:47 - Alpha 9]
The Artisans Guild was disbanded.
Reasons: They were unable to create a constant flow of artists to submit artworks. They kept their ranks closed for a huge period of time, IGNORING artworks submited on the forum by people with great potential, instead they sent in artworks that were not checked for authenticity and they were copied/stolen. The Artisans _guild_ became just a nice alliance logo to keep the reputation of their inhabitants but its management was unable to keep it running as it should. For a while there won't be an other start for the Artisans Guild. All current members (that were selected just now close to the festival anyway) were removed from the guild. All its current members with a rank within the guild will have their tags adjusted.

Players that submited artowrks samples and never got an answer back are requested to submit it again this time to manu@magicduel.com. For now, all artwork related things will be sent to me directly.
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This forum section will continue to be used for art related discussions.
Unfortunatly i am not updated with all the things discussed here, what i know is that i found several awsome artists around here that never got to me, instead i received bad quality submissions and stolen art. Please excuse my lack of time, but from now on i will try to manage this myself. Please submit your sample works directly to me, including work that was already submited but ignored.
The avatar bounty contest is in a way canceled since i never got a clear image of what was going on, or at least what i heared seems to me different from what i can see with my own eyes. Your samples will be valued right and those of you that realy deserve it will get a bonus , as a replacement for any prizes you might have missed in this competition.

My email allready has 3 mails form artists that submited awsome work to glor and i NEVER saw it submited to me. The ones Glor submited from popithz IS COPIED WORK, it took me 15min to discover most of them allready on the net made by others, one of them is actually a LOGO of a big company.

Amoran, you live in a parallel reality, not MD not RL .... i don't know where it is, but i am sick of it.


You remained in Artisans because Glor had trust in you MANAGING things there, but what did you managed when Artisans guild was so ignorant to player artworks and all i got from the artisans were your sweats of "hard work" that consisted of same artworks over and over, and Glor (awesome) artworks. A guild is not for one man show (Glor) and a crying B**** that tries to do everything possible to look like a victim even if its not about her anymore.



Bottom line, i had no intention of any revenge against you during this Festival, i wanted to ignore you because you will act for sure as a victim and that "all was planed" and shit like that, but you crossed the line again.

These are insults:

[quote]Your maturity level as well as your brain function seems to have decreased recently. [/quote]
[quote]So what else do you intend to lie to your members about?[/quote]

And your yahoo status with "Manu you can fuck yourself" .. i kind of had enough of your shit in MD.
MD is my world, if you insult ME, i kick you out, simple as that ... if you in your imaginary reality thought MD to have nothing to do with the way you behave towards me, you are the one with "becreased brainfunction", not me.

So who do you prefered baned first, Kalamanira Kol or Amoran account? or should i roll a dice since its Pain Festival and all.

Kalamanira Kol baned. Amoran account remaned to "Amoran K Kol". tag and description removed. THis is your last account in MD, alts of this account will not be treated as different people, you will not get one alt baned per insult, but all at once. Remember that well because next time its goodbye for good.

The proof for the stolen art is there. By stolen i mean identicaly copied.

It took me 15min to find out it was copied, then i saw it on the forum allready discussed. I rejected the avyes from Glor, explaining this issue, yet Popitz keeps his seat.

After that, today, it took me a couple of hours (while doing other things) to discover some awsome artists that submited their work month ago and none received answer. I contacted them, they submited it again to me, and there are allready several avys ready. ...while Glor told me in the past many month that there is no one capable , and nothing new or interesting appears. Actualy, he was probalby just writing from time to time, claiming there is no new artists just because he had no time to check. He has an excuse, he has personal problems and i understand that, but amoran that takes so much pride for the artisans management, has NO excuse, because all this time she was in MD (causing trouble) and did not do anything close to manage the artisans or even look at possible new artists.

Artisans moved as a guiled only recently when i threatened all 2 member allies that i will disband them if they remain in just two members, but this situation looks to me to be over many month old, because for many month i have seen only work from glor, or crap work from others selected by glor, and none of the art i saw now on forum and that i believe its great.

Anyway, contact with Glume is allready established, she will send additional work soon, the others were also contacted, but unfortunalty some allready left MD. You can see what i am talking about you can check out the topics in the artisans guild, its a 19 pages topic.

All this time the artisans was an exclusive guild for amoran self pride, under the protection of Glor, and i never inteded such a thing. Artisans as a guild was supposed to centralise work of all kind, it was unable to, i am sory but i disband it. I worked so long time with artists directly, i can do that from now on too. Not to mention that only a small fraction of art comes from players and all the rest from artists i hire here. If its not possible , its not possible.

[quote][2009-10-03 12:54:47 - Alpha 9]
The Artisans Guild was disbanded.
Reasons: They were unable to create a constant flow of artists to submit artworks. They kept their ranks closed for a huge period of time, IGNORING artworks submited on the forum by people with great potential, instead they sent in artworks that were not checked for authenticity and they were copied/stolen. The Artisans _guild_ became just a nice alliance logo to keep the reputation of their inhabitants but its management was unable to keep it running as it should. For a while there won't be an other start for the Artisans Guild. All current members (that were selected just now close to the festival anyway) were removed from the guild. All its current members with a rank within the guild will have their tags adjusted.

Players that submited artowrks samples and never got an answer back are requested to submit it again this time to manu@magicduel.com. For now, all artwork related things will be sent to me directly.
[/quote]

This forum section will continue to be used for art related discussions.
Unfortunatly i am not updated with all the things discussed here, what i know is that i found several awsome artists around here that never got to me, instead i received bad quality submissions and stolen art. Please excuse my lack of time, but from now on i will try to manage this myself. Please submit your sample works directly to me, including work that was already submited but ignored.
The avatar bounty contest is in a way canceled since i never got a clear image of what was going on, or at least what i heared seems to me different from what i can see with my own eyes. Your samples will be valued right and those of you that realy deserve it will get a bonus , as a replacement for any prizes you might have missed in this competition.

My email allready has 3 mails form artists that submited awsome work to glor and i NEVER saw it submited to me. The ones Glor submited from popithz IS COPIED WORK, it took me 15min to discover most of them allready on the net made by others, one of them is actually a LOGO of a big company.

Amoran, you live in a parallel reality, not MD not RL .... i don't know where it is, but i am sick of it.


You remained in Artisans because Glor had trust in you MANAGING things there, but what did you managed when Artisans guild was so ignorant to player artworks and all i got from the artisans were your sweats of "hard work" that consisted of same artworks over and over, and Glor (awesome) artworks. A guild is not for one man show (Glor) and a crying B**** that tries to do everything possible to look like a victim even if its not about her anymore.



Bottom line, i had no intention of any revenge against you during this Festival, i wanted to ignore you because you will act for sure as a victim and that "all was planed" and shit like that, but you crossed the line again.

These are insults:

[quote]Your maturity level as well as your brain function seems to have decreased recently. [/quote]
[quote]So what else do you intend to lie to your members about?[/quote]

And your yahoo status with "Manu you can fuck yourself" .. i kind of had enough of your shit in MD.
MD is my world, if you insult ME, i kick you out, simple as that ... if you in your imaginary reality thought MD to have nothing to do with the way you behave towards me, you are the one with "becreased brainfunction", not me.

So who do you prefered baned first, Kalamanira Kol or Amoran account? or should i roll a dice since its Pain Festival and all.

Kalamanira Kol baned. Amoran account remaned to "Amoran K Kol". tag and description removed. THis is your last account in MD, alts of this account will not be treated as different people, you will not get one alt baned per insult, but all at once. Remember that well because next time its goodbye for good.

The proof for the stolen art is there. By stolen i mean identicaly copied.

It took me 15min to find out it was copied, then i saw it on the forum allready discussed. I rejected the avyes from Glor, explaining this issue, yet Popitz keeps his seat.

After that, today, it took me a couple of hours (while doing other things) to discover some awsome artists that submited their work month ago and none received answer. I contacted them, they submited it again to me, and there are allready several avys ready. ...while Glor told me in the past many month that there is no one capable , and nothing new or interesting appears. Actualy, he was probalby just writing from time to time, claiming there is no new artists just because he had no time to check. He has an excuse, he has personal problems and i understand that, but amoran that takes so much pride for the artisans management, has NO excuse, because all this time she was in MD (causing trouble) and did not do anything close to manage the artisans or even look at possible new artists.

Artisans moved as a guiled only recently when i threatened all 2 member allies that i will disband them if they remain in just two members, but this situation looks to me to be over many month old, because for many month i have seen only work from glor, or crap work from others selected by glor, and none of the art i saw now on forum and that i believe its great.

Anyway, contact with Glume is allready established, she will send additional work soon, the others were also contacted, but unfortunalty some allready left MD. You can see what i am talking about you can check out the topics in the artisans guild, its a 19 pages topic.

All this time the artisans was an exclusive guild for amoran self pride, under the protection of Glor, and i never inteded such a thing. Artisans as a guild was supposed to centralise work of all kind, it was unable to, i am sory but i disband it. I worked so long time with artists directly, i can do that from now on too. Not to mention that only a small fraction of art comes from players and all the rest from artists i hire here. If its not possible , its not possible.

joking more or less, i need to specify that Tribunals kingship is not open for debate or elections.
I need a land to retire too you know

RJ, with me the situation is very simple, either i am neutral or i am not. When i am not i dont ask for a second opinion. If you don't trust my voting system then its your opinion, but i know i do it in good faith hoping for a more accurate decision than a simple count. Considering you are not bothering to argument anything you say and you simply complain, i will not care to explain more why i see it better or what issues i think might appear. When you will want a serious answer, post a serious complain. Everybody can cry for a reason or an othet, its easy, and its very natural to blame the voting system when you don't like the results.

And yes, i am supposed to read, understand, and judge your each comment in there... something you probably consider me incapable of doing, since i constantly ignore your ridiculous messages, annoying pms, or stressing emails that keep comming for sometimes good, but oftenly not so good reasons.

Lets put it like this, if your king slaps you you dont slap him back or he orders you executed. Shades are what necro people should respect, fighting back regardless of reason is not an option.

Guybrush, its exactly your type of opinion that makes necro be special. Some can understand it some can't, simple as that. I suppose if you were to be a hunter you would be that type of hunter that would stop in shock and explain to the running deer that you hit partially that it has to die of the wound and not run, while the poor deer will continue to run despite your perfect logic trying to stop it. Sorry no hard feelings, but you obviously don't understand shades.

people ..what uninformed...my head hurts...do you forget who you are talking to?

Again, the summoned army, was attacked by necro people, OF COURSE IT FOUGHT BACK. It attacked both necro and non necro after it saw that they make no difference anyway and they keep attacking it. So..it didnt attack back only those hiting it, but all, once you showed no kind of support. Except the fights, there was no support in chat, but even worse, you left the general impression you are curious and want to see what will happen with yrth actions. Don't act surprised or revolted now, you should have been that way back then.

The summoned army has no humor, you play games attacking it just to see if you win or not, you might end up complaining on the forum later for the outcome.

Guybrush, its exactly your type of opinion that makes necro be special. Some can understand it some can't, simple as that. I suppose if you were to be a hunter you would be that type of hunter that would stop in shock and explain to the running deer that you hit partially that it has to die of the wound and not run, while the poor deer will continue to run despite your perfect logic trying to stop it. Sorry no hard feelings, but you obviously don't understand shades.

Lets put it like this, if your king slaps you you dont slap him back or he orders you executed. Shades are what necro people should respect, fighting back regardless of reason is not an option.