Kriskah Arcanu

[b]The Market Co-opmmunity[/b] I think we all agree that the MD market needs a strong community willpower to work as it should (by this I mean: an inclusive, accessible market) Hoarding and overcharging for items is very common these days and I’m not completely sure if what I’m going to suggest is the solution, but I believe is worth the try. As simple as it might sound [b]The Market Co-opmunity will be a circle of market-friendly people who will not hoard or overcharge for an item. This circle of people will trade among them self with a different approach[/b] (leaving greed to RL) and will be constantly evaluating newcomers so the MCo-op grows day by day. [b]The MCo-op will have simple rules[/b]: [b]No hoarding[/b] - Only 2 will be the limited number of items for a character to hold (without counting the one made for is/her character) - Limited time to use the item might be useful to the purpose too* (2 months) [b]No Overcharging[/b] - This applies to raw and commonly used items (2-3 silver coins) [b]To give items a use[/b]* - Items should be on people’s inventory for a reason (Character’s reason, quest’s reason, etc) and the MCo-op should be informed of this in all times.[b] To have public stance against hoarding and overcharging for items on personal papers[/b] - It can be just a small sentence so newbes might understand what this is all about. [b]To support members with a pro-market initiatives (non selfish ones)[/b] - In this case to support the shop Firs is running is a good start [b]To help MCo-Op members find, -and purchasing if needed- raw items they require for his/her character [/b] Finally, this rule will be applied only when the community has at least 15 members: [b]To trade raw and common items exclusively inside the MCo-opmunnity[/b] [b]New addition[/b]: Colecting Items for trading is alloud, as long if it doesn't contradict prevews rules. Rembember this is not just a membership, it is also a responsability. Many people has PM with doubts about the rules, its pretty simple: [b]Items related to your character, or special items arent counted. Items used dayly on RP are somehow already justified. Only raw and common items will need to be justified and limited. The MCo-Op will operate only based on these two type of items.[/b] Regards, K PS: To be part of the MCo-op will have its advantages and I’m sure collectors will start to understand that it can be quite more interesting to trade then to hoard. To become a member please PM Firsanthalas or myself so we can confirm your membership in your PL [b]List of members so far: Firsanthalas Kafuuka Phantom Orchid apophis awiiya Pipsticks Kyphis Sparrhauk Mya Celestia Sephirah Caelum Roland SageWoman phantasm Windy Skie Anderson Nimrodel Princ Rhaegar ...and Kriskah Arcanu[/b]

Thank you Lots of new aftershocks have shaken Chile lately, and its hard to summarice structural damage, many people are still trapped or isolated. Death rises to more then 800 Youtube has many new home made videos of this dissaster. I'll leave this link so you can have an idea how scary this earthquake sounded. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-9pQ3zWWGc The man is saying "Im here, calm down... Be careful with your feet (I asume it's because of the broken glasses on the floor).... Its stopping, its stoping, stay calm... Hurry and use the phone before the signal get lost... We are fine, we are ok" (It stroke at 3 am so it quite dark)

Thank you for you kind words. Luckily my family is fine, I just received good news. We haven’t located a few more friends in Concepción yet so we are hoping to hear from them soon. Chile has experience earthquakes before, we have build our cities (except for the new and more fragile buildings) in order to prevent massive catastrophes like this one. Nevertheless this disaster leaves many cities with no terrestrial connections, no water, no electricity, and many homeless people, We will have to deal the reconstruction soon, for now all efforts are set in the rescue of trapped people under the buildings, isolated with no water etc.

My parents are fine, thank you. But we havent been able to contact the rest of my family yet, so Im still waiting to get news from them. People are scared there will be replicas

Thanks to the internet I was able to contact my family. Phones and electricity hasnt completly stabish yet. Im am too nerves at the moments so Ill just leave you some Pics: http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Massive-earthquake-strikes-Chile/ss/events/wl/022710quakechile/im:/100227/481/652db3e3c1ca47d690c67d6a0b3f5ef0/#photoViewer=/100227/photos_wl_afp/feed9c74c500f6a3bc30c7a37db31324

[quote name='Jester' date='26 February 2010 - 04:08 PM' timestamp='1267222124' post='55351'] The Lands of the East aren't only made up of screens with my name in them, pick another one. [/quote] First of all I am not picking a place for the market. After all I believe it is not something I am able to do on my own. Like i said I'm only presenting an idea. I only mentioned that place because of what Akasha said. If it was up to me, I wouldnt go so far from NML I am not interested in discussing this matter further more. I believe i presented this idea clearly enough, hopely it wont cause any more misunderstanding.

"Lands of the east are made in a much social way" ... After Jester's response I must say that it doesnt look that way at all.

Thank you Akasha Perhaps Jesters Streets in Lands o East can be fitted to be a market. My only concern, -I agree with Shantu- is people. From what I've seen MD people dont like to travel so much. Half of them are at GGG all the time. Anyhow, when this location is completed they will need to go there to shop, there will be no more forum space for trading, I mean, thats the whole point of this discussion. To put MD market where it belongs.

Before reading: Im not saying we cannot use a place it already exists on MD, there are many places that could be used the same way. Im just using this image as an example on how the md market could look like, so it can be easy to shop and also attractive to visit Please notice It’s just an idea. Im sure there are plenty of elements Im missing You might visit the location and just start clicking on different doors/stands. Each one could have different shopping options: raw materials, unique items, creatures, drawings, services, special offers etc, each click might open a different blackboard. The location can also have a central building to click on to find out about live auctions squedules… The main idea is to people to meet there, discuss offers and prices and bring back the market to the game it self.

I am really happy to see somebody really caring for the market it self, not based upon selfish purpuses. Happy to make a gold/silver coin donation . I do not have so much time to be online but I will try to emulate Firs on a low scale. Regards, K

@ Orlando and DarkPriestess I like the idea of a No Mans Land location for the Central Market, it will remind the No Mans Land Caravan, our first market experience(btw I personally feel NML has been a bit neglected, so for me it fits quite well) Well of tears sound good, perhaps we could vote later on. @ phantasm Thank you but I dont think I have a talent for it... just do it for the fun I think the hole concept can be a bit more complex then just a blackboard with a list of items, creats and bids... hmm a bit more like a window shoping thingy, anyhow I will talk to people who knows about these type of things before I make my sugestions about this matter. Regards, K

Thank you for the sugestions @ Tarquinus I haven't thought about the location yet, but outside Willow´s Shop seams ok. I believe we should consider a big/open space, after all it will be MD´s Central Market. @ Kafuuka I agree, bids should be a week fresh. I hope the blackboard system wont be so hard to manage.

A market with a real location Posting offers at the forum and just waiting how it goes can be somehow appealing for people, especially because most of MD community have different time zones and cannot see each other as often ingame. Although [b]shouldn’t the market be on MD?[/b] I mean, shouldn’t be like a real location? I have spoke with some people about this subject, and it is not such difficult to make a location with some sort of interactive blackboard. Creatures, items, jobs, info trading migh be something we should be discussing ingame, instead of the forum. I consider this something that could be enriching community public spaces for MD, I hope you can give me your opinions in this matter. Thank you K

Deffinitly the eliminationg of the list won't solve the hoarding situation. People have hoarded even before the list existed. If it is really Mur's intention to prevent this to happen Im sure he will come with a most effective idea to solve this "problem".

[quote name='Windy' date='11 February 2010 - 01:53 PM' timestamp='1265918036' post='54306'] Sounds good. Send them all to me. [/quote] Picnic baskets auctioned! this is so new too me... Im in!

I totally agree with Udgard, RP is supossed to be fun, no reward is required. About items, like I have always said, items are made to be USED, hoarding its not something to be proud of. I've read many items will start to appear on MD quite soon, hopely they are to be used and dont become priceless and just collective objects too. Regards, K [From what I seen apparently No Man's Land wont receive items, cause of the lack of royal authority... not too happy about it]

The slave auction was trully a fun event, but as I recall it generated a lot of disconfort related to profits. I agree that if it becomes into some sort of contest with prices it migh be more interesting... I would gladly offer some cratures as rewards if this event takes place. K

Im sorry Im not sure If i understood...May the tool renting can be used for raw material extraccion? That will be interesting. There could be locations for renting different types of tools, accordingly to the sort of raw materials located in that particular land or area. On the subject of Economy... There will allways be people trying to abuse, I would recomend to create certain rules or limits to prevent people from abusing, hoarding etc. I would say, give Economy a chance K

I do believe that the item's creation, and later, the item trading, should be something that involves lots of people not just a few. I know some people believe hoarding is something that we should respect, but I would say hoarding only makes people less and less interested on the items market. I consider that the hole idea of extraccion/creation/trading should be very diverse and complex and involve as much interaccion from the MD community as possible. This could sound too idealistic, but I believe it is the only way to make it really interesting. During the firsts auctions taking place on MD, I as a merchant never hoarded and it was fun, we where able to emulate a market fair,and many people could participate because the prices wherent so high. I dont know... maybe I have a different aproach on this... all Im saying is that REAL ACCESS to the market and item creation its required to make it interesting. Regards, K

Hoarding has always been a problem, even before the md market spread. We discused this long time ago as I recall I agree on the idea that raw materials/resourses should be more easy to get for any player, it can be realated to locations (wood to lore, metal to GG... just an idea) so people can extract them. Regards, K

[quote name='Liberty4life' date='25 November 2009 - 02:38 PM' timestamp='1259181493' post='48457'] poems of locations lost its meaning, nobody cares for them, signs at entrance to each land... huh? who reads it? afaik story mode was also only one that made connection of creats with us, today in md... in everyday rp how often do we have creats involved for anything? players are merchants, warriors, not circus tamers or TCG cards owners, why do i say that? simple.. creats are those days to rpers second part of game.. story mode and AL got fully replaced by papers and "casual rp" of all sorts.... poems and lands descriptions mean nothing, everyone has same opinion about every location and acts same, all they care is if location is crowded or is it remote one, thats all principals.. another stat to grind till 1k and thats it inner magic and background story.... wot are those? creats? ah thats some side game inside real game to one kind of ppl to another they are whole game this is current situation about those things in md (...) but lately md is getting more and more automatized, and kinda more and more towards game that is actually click to advance idk and idc wot ya will say but i am one of those players that like revealing mystery, i wanna know wot happened next in story mode, i wanna know about inner magic and principals uses, i wanna know meaning of storymode story, meaning of AL since it had its message to tell each time, i wanna know meaning of poems, i wanna know more about creats, many creats dont have description, some creats like barren soul contain description that is related to ancient lore which got banned, and many more things, i cant think anymore if i could i would most likely wrote more, this is all i have to say for now [/quote] I totally agree. MD's mysteries have to become more important and they should have continuity. When I have spoke to newcomers they are trully interested in knowing more about principles... about Marind...ancient Lore and many things I wish i knew a bit more. I would say the game logic has the tendency to make you become a bit alienated, specially because it is quite hard to get people atention in subjects wich has nothing to do with creature training. Maybe if diferent locations would give alternaitve power to creatures during a fight, people would be interested in finding the reason why is that happening in that particular location... I dont know, Im just speculating. Anyways, I do agree it is necesary to get MD all community involved with MD's history and mysteries, so it can continue to be a unique kinda RPgame. Regards, K

[quote name='Udgard' date='20 November 2009 - 07:21 AM' timestamp='1258723262' post='47959'] The crafters will be glad to help with the market stuff (actually, I was wondering where you are and hoping you'll be showing up again soon). And there's still a bunch of unpublished raw materials as well xD [/quote] That's great! thanks Udgard. Please tell me the best server time for you and the crafters so we can arrange a meeting. If anybody else wants to be in it please do the same. Regards, K

[quote name='Rhaegar Targaryen' date='19 November 2009 - 12:26 PM' timestamp='1258655190' post='47897'] welcome back Kriskah Arcanu glad you've returned btw, I will just let you know that a player called Shapeshifter is doing monopoly on items, and plans to make a market of his own, so you should contact him as well [/quote] Thank you Rhaegar. Its good to know somebody has collected so many items for trading pourpuses. Im afraid I do not have the time right now to start collecting them, so I believe my effort will be focus on gathering people interested in commercial activities, items and creatures collectors, employers, artists... etc When I left the item's market was not a very popular arena. Now that I have a bit more time to enter MD world I've seen many items have apeared, so hopely people who have shown interest in this project before might like to participate. . K ps. Please inform people whom you believe could be interested in this project. I havent seen Shapeshifter, does he enter the forum?

Hello everybody. There are a few market funds left and since I know there are a some people in the comunity who where allways interested in this particulary matter I am preparing a small meeting so we can discuss what to do with them. Weather if it is a market fair, a simple auction, or a bit more complex activity I would like to get a few more people involded. Thank you for keeping in touch. Regards, K