Kriskah Arcanu

I will gladdly give 50 MDS from the "Market Public's Funds" for rewards during the Festival. Regards, K

[quote name='Liberty4life' post='30295' date='May 5 2009, 07:42 AM']and well we can also include services market into this goods market in case there is someone who wants to work alone and offer his services openly on market (dont mistake this with jobs as for working for someone else who pays you, in here i count in only entrepreneurs), so items and creatures need to be bought first to trade them later, so this is one way to spend founds on ... i will add one more thing that should be included in this, we have MDU, and where are lectures?? well lets boost this also up, everyone who makes a lecture/teaching for mdu should be paid, same thing for mda, who makes article, why not pay him and third part which is needed..... is money market, that means bank and guess what i plan to open one i will do job of exchanging currency (silver/gold), make people have theirs accounts, loans will become widely available and people will be even able to earn in bank for example savings and investing deposits (not sure if this is said like this on english), so since i know how real banks work, i think i wont have much problems in making this work just need to put all together and write it down [/quote] Thanks for posting your ideas Lib. Indeed services market are something I was considering to add later (I will soon be informing you about a Market Guild, but first i need to make some calls ) MDU professors... excelent! Who should I give the funds to be incharge of their salaries? The bank idea is quite good too, I will really like to see the type of interest you will give.. to say... 100MDS. Slavery auctions, As I recall Kragel said ar most for benefit good causes. It can be done later for helping some Guilds founds, Newspaper etc. That doesnt mean regular emploies ( darn word, ill check it later ) couldn't do something similar to offer their services. K

Ok, I don’t want this topic to generate conflicts. I wanted to know if there where any other ideas or flaws to be fixed in terms of the use for the funds. Everyone in the meeting agreed. I will wait a few more days to give everybody a chance to speak their mine about this subject. If anybody else has any comments to add… I will assume three things: One: These economic issues are a bit boring, and people only want to see the market working. In other words they don’t care from where coins may appear as long as they keep flowing. Two: Everybody trusts my judgment and be willing to help me when I PM Three: People hate the idea, but they don’t have enough time or elements to destroy mine. :spiteful: Either ways I will move forward with this. K

I wish to learn too. Acordingly to what Mur said as a merchant am I not supossed to fill the chat box publishing my goods.. But should I follow people around to convince them to trade with me? I trully hope not. K

Happy B-Day :clapping:

Burns, 1. I never said "any type of mage". It was an example for the propeties of the items. 2 I have talked to many people too, for several months. I just wanted to read a few ideas at the forum before I could implement the subsidy. 3. I am not giving coins randomly. I think that is pretty obvious.... It is the main purpuse of this post 4. If you believe "Micky Mouse jobs" are editing papers, solving quests and roll related jobs, please explain to me what a serious job would be. I ask you to please pay more atention to what I have said and what I am asking. I might not be elocuent or well spoken, but I am taking this task very seriouss. And yes, I agree with Intrigue, Item crators need to be dependant upon another to produce their goods. Continuing with the mage example The mage would need at least some herbs and a pot. (I couldn't find the word for "marmita" in English) He would have to find those items first before he could create any type of possion. Items creations is a privilege. Only really commited people should be able to have it. K

[b]I also wish to know what do you think about what is acctualy in my power to do: The subsydi[/b] But if you like to talk about Items creation, their propeties etc.. I agree, only a few should be able to create items, because they should be an physic manifestation of the roll character activities, nothing else. If there is a magician, it will be logicall for him/she to create potions. And if is really add some propeties to the owner, even better. Also items should desapear from time to time. Every 6 month they could desapear randomly (Hope not so randomly, because it wouldn't be fair to those with only one item on their inventory). Items can get lost, broken, or just consumed. For collector of items, those with more then 5 items on their inventory I would say they at least add those items to their dayly activity, like in a diary on personal papers. So everyone knows those items are actually being used. K

Indeed Items shouldnt last forever. (Kafuuka ones said so too as I recall.) I agree with you, Items could be more real if they have properties added, and also if they dont last more then 5-6 months. I hope this ideas can be implemented. For now I also wish to know what do you think about what is acctualy in my power to do. The subsydi: Who else (and how) will like to help me with this new system of rewards? I was thinkin to give 5 -10 coins to each persons comited in this salaried job implementation. Since this are public funds, this person must be very transparet in this transaccion (cautioned too) so I will demand every salary or reward to be publish on each personal paper. K

I dont want to write anything until I read some coments from people that couldnt come to the meeting. I need more constructive ideas, and people willing to help me. No matter how much enthusiams I put on this project, I cannot do this alone, I need you guys. so far: Subsidy for Job and Quest rewards will be given to certain people who will comit on this project. The coins may be given to reward or pay for: editing papers, solving quests, roll related jobs. Once we have spread coins we can really start building a far more complex economic system. This is just the first step, and it will need a lot of work and comitment. Regards, K

We will have a meeting [b]today at Sage's Keep at 2.00[/b] to discuss about the funds gathered in the Slaves and Items Auctions. Everyone is invited, Regards, K

It does not matter wether there are players wishing to become collectors, wether there are rare items or common items, wether Items should be bought with MDS or traded or gaing in other ways (Here I am also responding to Burns comment in a diferent post). The point is: ITEMS SHOULD BE USED. They should be related to a character rol, be part on a Quest, reward, task... etc. Again, responding to Burns. I consider market the best way to make Items and creats flow, but this doesnt mean there shouldnt be other ways. I am glad market and currency brings a debate, a few months ago this was not even a subject. K

Thank you IAB for answering my question and also for making my point even stronger. I rest my case. K Ps. The marketplace forum should be taken a bit more serious for now on... i hope

Please tell me you are becoming a merchant, if not I must say I do not like this. Inventory Items should have a purpuse, they should be used, not just collected. If you want to buy all type of inventory items please explain a reason for it. Regards, K

We will meet tomorrow (day 123) at [b]Sage's Keep[/b] at 2.00. The topics to discuss will be: 1. The Central Market. How will it work? 2. Funds. Ideas to use them proppely in the market 3. Tasks and responsabilities during this economic system building. Other topics may appear during this meeting, that depends on your interest in this subjetc. Regards, K Ps: We will need somebody to keep a record of this meeting.

[b]I call for a meeting on day 123, 2.00 server time. [/b] Tomorrow I will post more details about the place and topics to discuss. Please PM to confirm asistance. regards, K

It is really important that you are aware of the uses this funds will have. I don't want to take all decisions and just inform you about them. That definitly wouldn't be transparent, and it will generate disconfort ans suspissious. I hope we can have a public meeting as soon as posible. Regards, K

[quote name='cryxus' post='29845' date='May 1 2009, 12:08 PM']in this particular case im withholding my praise until i see where the money and creatures end up, nothing personal, i just havent heard from anyone definitely about how the silver and creatures are gonna be split.[/quote] I wont use this funds to benefit my self cryxux, I think you all know that. That is the main reason I want this meeting to take place as soon as possible.

Yes, Kragel deserves a medal, first he had a great idea, then he executed it like a professional . Mi respetos para Kragel Ps. I havent seen my master today, he is gonna miss his first Spanish lesson. :lol: ------------------ BTW I would like to have a meeting to discuss about the Central Market for MD. I have some ideas for the funds recollected during the auction (wich havent ended yet ) and I wish I could share them with you. I read some of your comments during the market and currency debate and I believe this type of comercial event have a lot of potencial. K -------------------

Too bad i cannot buy a slave before the Market fair, I will need help on the Items auction If anyone is interested I am offering 2 MDS (payed job), details on the Job Market topic. Regards, K

Feliz cumpleanos Burns! :drinks: Salud! K

Guy, I would like the market fair to become a common event, for that I need MDS to buy items, I am a merchant so that is kind of obviuos, I believe everybody knows that... that is why I havent said so. For now "purchable items" are rare, so I was thinking in other purpuses for the MDS too... like rewards, and like i said before the job market. K

I had an idea, but I havent discuss this yet with anyone because it need further... whats the word...? hmmm elaboration. The founds could be used too for a job market. People (particulary those with no MDS) can be hired and payed/rewarded. This in time could help the recreation of a real economy. I dont know... it is just a thougt... it needs work. K

I do understand your point Guy, but that "profit for themselves"... that is not slavery... that is commonly known as a salaried job.

I havent spoke with Kragel about the auction. But I am certain he is not doing this to get rich. The MDS are not for him, they are not for my selfish purpuses either. MDS, creatures... they all will be used as rewards (storytellings, performances), salarys (collaborations, traders)... at least that is what I understood. Percentages... I do believe that could be discussed a bit more. But history tells us slavery does not benefit the slave at all, it is the complete oposite of fairness. K

I am sorry to spam but i like the one with the friendly squirrel too. :clapping: I dont want to leave my Sisters alone so... Kriskah Arcanu Female I am latina (some guys believe there is a plus on that. I dont really know why, but I am gonna use it anyways) I can play the guitar and... I have a wagon filled with quite confortable cushions (just joking ) I have a friendly horse too. K