Kriskah Arcanu

A market with a real location

Posting offers at the forum and just waiting how it goes can be somehow appealing for people, especially because most of MD community have different time zones and cannot see each other as often ingame.

Although [b]shouldn’t the market be on MD?[/b] I mean, shouldn’t be like a real location?
I have spoke with some people about this subject, and it is not such difficult to make a location with some sort of interactive blackboard.

Creatures, items, jobs, info trading migh be something we should be discussing ingame, instead of the forum.

I consider this something that could be enriching community public spaces for MD, I hope you can give me your opinions in this matter.

Thank you
K

MD History map

Since I join this community the history of MD realms has been revealed to me by pieces. I’m aware this subject is tricky and it has generated several conflicts in the past.
Nevertheless…

It is often said that history tells us who we are, so I believe it should be one of the first thing newcomers glimpse when they arrive.
The linear map from the Lord of the Rings (http://strangemaps.wordpress.com/?s=lord+of+the+rings) made me think about a way which we could make past (and present) more accessible and easy for newcomers to relate and get involved.

A multi-lines map of MD can be really interesting and could open the curiosity not only of new people but for veterans too. Each land, each event could have clicking options so people can go forward on personal inquiring and access to MD Archives or interact with veteran’s characters from each land.

I know most ideas die here but at least this is cool way to point some things which makes us wonder.

Saludations,

Ps. I haven’t been playing lately, too busy in RL. But an upcoming event will soon be announced.

¡Feliz cumpleaños Esmerelda!
Eres muy tierna (Translation: You are so cute )

¡Feliz cumpleaños Esmerelda!
Eres muy tierna (Translation: You are so cute )

[b]The Market Co-opmmunity[/b]

I think we all agree that the MD market needs a strong community willpower to work as it should (by this I mean: an inclusive, accessible market)
Hoarding and overcharging for items is very common these days and I’m not completely sure if what I’m going to suggest is the solution, but I believe is worth the try.
As simple as it might sound [b]The Market Co-opmunity will be a circle of market-friendly people who will not hoard or overcharge for an item.
This circle of people will trade among them self with a different approach[/b] (leaving greed to RL) and will be constantly evaluating newcomers so the MCo-op grows day by day.
[b]The MCo-op will have simple rules[/b]:
[b]No hoarding[/b]
- Only 2 will be the limited number of items for a character to hold (without counting the one made for is/her character)
- Limited time to use the item might be useful to the purpose too* (2 months)
[b]No Overcharging[/b]
- This applies to raw and commonly used items (2-3 silver coins)
[b]To give items a use[/b]*
- Items should be on people’s inventory for a reason (Character’s reason, quest’s reason, etc) and the MCo-op should be informed of this in all times.[b]
To have public stance against hoarding and overcharging for items on personal papers[/b]
- It can be just a small sentence so newbes might understand what this is all about.
[b]To support members with a pro-market initiatives (non selfish ones)[/b]
- In this case to support the shop Firs is running is a good start
[b]To help MCo-Op members find, -and purchasing if needed- raw items they require for his/her character [/b]
Finally, this rule will be applied only when the community has at least 15 members:
[b]To trade raw and common items exclusively inside the MCo-opmunnity[/b]
[b]New addition[/b]: Colecting Items for trading is alloud, as long if it doesn't contradict prevews rules.
Rembember this is not just a membership, it is also a responsability.

Many people has PM with doubts about the rules, its pretty simple:
[b]Items related to your character, or special items arent counted.
Items used dayly on RP are somehow already justified.
Only raw and common items will need to be justified and limited.
The MCo-Op will operate only based on these two type of items.[/b]

Regards,
K

PS: To be part of the MCo-op will have its advantages and I’m sure collectors will start to understand that it can be quite more interesting to trade then to hoard.
To become a member please PM Firsanthalas or myself so we can confirm your membership in your PL

[b]List of members so far:

Firsanthalas
Kafuuka
Phantom Orchid
apophis
awiiya
Pipsticks
Kyphis
Sparrhauk
Mya Celestia
Sephirah Caelum
Roland
SageWoman
phantasm
Windy
Skie Anderson
Nimrodel
Princ Rhaegar
...and Kriskah Arcanu[/b]

That is sad, I hope you reconsider.
But I do understand your frustration.
Regards,
K

That is sad, I hope you reconsider.
But I do understand your frustration.
Regards,
K

[font="Palatino Linotype"][color="#8B0000"]I've noticed lately that there is a lot of hostility and general gruffness in the realm and the forum lately. Let's try saying something nice. If you look at this thread, write something nice about someone. It may sound silly, but let's give it a try. [/color][/font]

[quote name='Rhaegar Targaryen' date='07 March 2010 - 03:56 PM' timestamp='1267977387' post='55925']
hmmm but what about decentralizing that astral plane a bit, don't make it as world within world, how about cooperating with Mur (I guess if he likes that kind of things) to put games under certain clickables (not that you can access each and every one from GoE for example... and also all locations open are a bit spoilerish, I myself visited location or two that I never visited before).

example, creature card game (didn't try it out but I plan to! ) can be used... hmmm in tribunal's pub, let's say, as a device for bets? that sort of stuff would surely bring the community back into other locations such as those pubs created specifically for making people enjoy and gather for RP activities or just talking and exchanging infos
[/quote]


Yes, you get half of my point, but the thing is the astral plane is just a big clicky system. Whether it is set in a clicky in the tribunal or the GoE, while people are playing my logic games, chatting in a private chat box, fishing, playing the CCD, or just exploring the astral plane they aren't out and walking around MD talking to others.

In a sense by giving interesting alternatives to just standing around and chatting (RP) people are amusing themselves with those things and not out talking to others. With the completely unworkable fighting system as it stands right now, there just aren't that many interesting things to do in MD. I tried to change that by making a bunch of interesting things for people to do while in MD and that has been enjoyable for me and from the feedback I have gotten many others. The point is though while people are doing things in the Astral Plane (ie any of my creations) they aren't sitting at the GoE talking to others like before skill damage was implemented and the tokens further ruined fighting.

I actually have several new things I have developed but not released (in addition to a few new quests made in conjunction with others) since there are so few people around best they spend time on the last few things I released (if they are interested).

I don't see a solution to this, MD has gotten boring in a lot of respects, and the things that are less boring about it tend to drive people away from each other. In looking back at what I have created in MD, I can see that many of my puzzles and games are contributing to the situation, but on the other hand, if there was nothing interesting around to do how long will people sit in the GGG before just getting bored of MD completely and giving up?

Also playing devils advocate to my own position above, there have been some very interesting in game conversations about the astral plane and my games which I have watched and participated in so this doesn't have to be all black and white.

I guess when MD got to the point of being so boring I wasn't going to stay around anymore, I just decided to make interesting things for me and others to do within MD and not worry about "In game problems". It would be great if this trend in MD could turn around, I am a very big fan of MD which is why I spend so much time developing stuff for it. But as to your comment


[quote name='Rhaegar Targaryen' date='07 March 2010 - 03:56 PM' timestamp='1267977387' post='55925']
how about cooperating with Mur
[/quote]

I have tried to talk with him and asked him to look at what I have done, but Mur has never even entered the astral plane. There isn't much I can do to cooperate with that.

Cheers,

Cutler

[quote name='Lazarus' date='19 February 2010 - 09:48 PM' timestamp='1266634085' post='54806']
Fenrir Greycloth is a character that was supposed to be a Philosopher, so I was not surprised when I found out that he is against these things. A Philosopher indeed...
[/quote]

You hit the nail on the head. Fenrir is. I'm not. I am a logical and cynical person. Philosophy is something I do as a hobby.

Your "solution" is bad because you make a demand while offering nothing in return. You suggest the users of GGG should not use it every other day, apparently for your convenience. Why should we? We are a group of like-minded people using a training strategy. It is understood that some people are simply rude and do not wish to respect this strategy, and come in hoping to break it, or to farm easy wins (which is the point of the thing to begin with). You appear to be offering not to be rude every other day. I cannot speak for the others, but I'll hold out for a better offer.

You and others complain that GGG is "flooded" with people and that other areas are consequently devoid of people to duel. Has it ever occurred to you to wonder why? If you show people a way that is more fun, they will come to you. Making the GGG less effective or less fun is not a good way to change the way training happens in MagicDuel. It simply alienates people and causes them to lose respect for you.

I do understand that GGG enables a certain free-win-dependent mentality among those who do not ever duel otherwise, but it is neither my right nor my duty to tell other players what to do with their time. The GGG works for me and for many other players who understand its benefits and its limitations very well: to suggest otherwise is to say that the MRs fundamentally failed to understand the mechanics of dueling in MagicDuel in devising this method, and I think that is demonstrably, emphatically [u]not[/u] the case.

[b]The Market Co-opmmunity[/b]

I think we all agree that the MD market needs a strong community willpower to work as it should (by this I mean: an inclusive, accessible market)
Hoarding and overcharging for items is very common these days and I’m not completely sure if what I’m going to suggest is the solution, but I believe is worth the try.
As simple as it might sound [b]The Market Co-opmunity will be a circle of market-friendly people who will not hoard or overcharge for an item.
This circle of people will trade among them self with a different approach[/b] (leaving greed to RL) and will be constantly evaluating newcomers so the MCo-op grows day by day.
[b]The MCo-op will have simple rules[/b]:
[b]No hoarding[/b]
- Only 2 will be the limited number of items for a character to hold (without counting the one made for is/her character)
- Limited time to use the item might be useful to the purpose too* (2 months)
[b]No Overcharging[/b]
- This applies to raw and commonly used items (2-3 silver coins)
[b]To give items a use[/b]*
- Items should be on people’s inventory for a reason (Character’s reason, quest’s reason, etc) and the MCo-op should be informed of this in all times.[b]
To have public stance against hoarding and overcharging for items on personal papers[/b]
- It can be just a small sentence so newbes might understand what this is all about.
[b]To support members with a pro-market initiatives (non selfish ones)[/b]
- In this case to support the shop Firs is running is a good start
[b]To help MCo-Op members find, -and purchasing if needed- raw items they require for his/her character [/b]
Finally, this rule will be applied only when the community has at least 15 members:
[b]To trade raw and common items exclusively inside the MCo-opmunnity[/b]
[b]New addition[/b]: Colecting Items for trading is alloud, as long if it doesn't contradict prevews rules.
Rembember this is not just a membership, it is also a responsability.

Many people has PM with doubts about the rules, its pretty simple:
[b]Items related to your character, or special items arent counted.
Items used dayly on RP are somehow already justified.
Only raw and common items will need to be justified and limited.
The MCo-Op will operate only based on these two type of items.[/b]

Regards,
K

PS: To be part of the MCo-op will have its advantages and I’m sure collectors will start to understand that it can be quite more interesting to trade then to hoard.
To become a member please PM Firsanthalas or myself so we can confirm your membership in your PL

[b]List of members so far:

Firsanthalas
Kafuuka
Phantom Orchid
apophis
awiiya
Pipsticks
Kyphis
Sparrhauk
Mya Celestia
Sephirah Caelum
Roland
SageWoman
phantasm
Windy
Skie Anderson
Nimrodel
Princ Rhaegar
...and Kriskah Arcanu[/b]

[b]The Market Co-opmmunity[/b]

I think we all agree that the MD market needs a strong community willpower to work as it should (by this I mean: an inclusive, accessible market)
Hoarding and overcharging for items is very common these days and I’m not completely sure if what I’m going to suggest is the solution, but I believe is worth the try.
As simple as it might sound [b]The Market Co-opmunity will be a circle of market-friendly people who will not hoard or overcharge for an item.
This circle of people will trade among them self with a different approach[/b] (leaving greed to RL) and will be constantly evaluating newcomers so the MCo-op grows day by day.
[b]The MCo-op will have simple rules[/b]:
[b]No hoarding[/b]
- Only 2 will be the limited number of items for a character to hold (without counting the one made for is/her character)
- Limited time to use the item might be useful to the purpose too* (2 months)
[b]No Overcharging[/b]
- This applies to raw and commonly used items (2-3 silver coins)
[b]To give items a use[/b]*
- Items should be on people’s inventory for a reason (Character’s reason, quest’s reason, etc) and the MCo-op should be informed of this in all times.[b]
To have public stance against hoarding and overcharging for items on personal papers[/b]
- It can be just a small sentence so newbes might understand what this is all about.
[b]To support members with a pro-market initiatives (non selfish ones)[/b]
- In this case to support the shop Firs is running is a good start
[b]To help MCo-Op members find, -and purchasing if needed- raw items they require for his/her character [/b]
Finally, this rule will be applied only when the community has at least 15 members:
[b]To trade raw and common items exclusively inside the MCo-opmunnity[/b]
[b]New addition[/b]: Colecting Items for trading is alloud, as long if it doesn't contradict prevews rules.
Rembember this is not just a membership, it is also a responsability.

Many people has PM with doubts about the rules, its pretty simple:
[b]Items related to your character, or special items arent counted.
Items used dayly on RP are somehow already justified.
Only raw and common items will need to be justified and limited.
The MCo-Op will operate only based on these two type of items.[/b]

Regards,
K

PS: To be part of the MCo-op will have its advantages and I’m sure collectors will start to understand that it can be quite more interesting to trade then to hoard.
To become a member please PM Firsanthalas or myself so we can confirm your membership in your PL

[b]List of members so far:

Firsanthalas
Kafuuka
Phantom Orchid
apophis
awiiya
Pipsticks
Kyphis
Sparrhauk
Mya Celestia
Sephirah Caelum
Roland
SageWoman
phantasm
Windy
Skie Anderson
Nimrodel
Princ Rhaegar
...and Kriskah Arcanu[/b]

[quote name='Jester' date='26 February 2010 - 04:08 PM' timestamp='1267222124' post='55351']
The Lands of the East aren't only made up of screens with my name in them, pick another one.
[/quote]

First of all I am not picking a place for the market. After all I believe it is not something I am able to do on my own. Like i said I'm only presenting an idea.
I only mentioned that place because of what Akasha said. If it was up to me, I wouldnt go so far from NML
I am not interested in discussing this matter further more. I believe i presented this idea clearly enough, hopely it wont cause any more misunderstanding.

[quote name='Windy' date='11 February 2010 - 01:53 PM' timestamp='1265918036' post='54306']
Sounds good. Send them all to me.
[/quote]

Picnic baskets auctioned! this is so new too me... Im in!

A market with a real location

Posting offers at the forum and just waiting how it goes can be somehow appealing for people, especially because most of MD community have different time zones and cannot see each other as often ingame.

Although [b]shouldn’t the market be on MD?[/b] I mean, shouldn’t be like a real location?
I have spoke with some people about this subject, and it is not such difficult to make a location with some sort of interactive blackboard.

Creatures, items, jobs, info trading migh be something we should be discussing ingame, instead of the forum.

I consider this something that could be enriching community public spaces for MD, I hope you can give me your opinions in this matter.

Thank you
K

A market with a real location

Posting offers at the forum and just waiting how it goes can be somehow appealing for people, especially because most of MD community have different time zones and cannot see each other as often ingame.

Although [b]shouldn’t the market be on MD?[/b] I mean, shouldn’t be like a real location?
I have spoke with some people about this subject, and it is not such difficult to make a location with some sort of interactive blackboard.

Creatures, items, jobs, info trading migh be something we should be discussing ingame, instead of the forum.

I consider this something that could be enriching community public spaces for MD, I hope you can give me your opinions in this matter.

Thank you
K

A market with a real location

Posting offers at the forum and just waiting how it goes can be somehow appealing for people, especially because most of MD community have different time zones and cannot see each other as often ingame.

Although [b]shouldn’t the market be on MD?[/b] I mean, shouldn’t be like a real location?
I have spoke with some people about this subject, and it is not such difficult to make a location with some sort of interactive blackboard.

Creatures, items, jobs, info trading migh be something we should be discussing ingame, instead of the forum.

I consider this something that could be enriching community public spaces for MD, I hope you can give me your opinions in this matter.

Thank you
K

A market with a real location

Posting offers at the forum and just waiting how it goes can be somehow appealing for people, especially because most of MD community have different time zones and cannot see each other as often ingame.

Although [b]shouldn’t the market be on MD?[/b] I mean, shouldn’t be like a real location?
I have spoke with some people about this subject, and it is not such difficult to make a location with some sort of interactive blackboard.

Creatures, items, jobs, info trading migh be something we should be discussing ingame, instead of the forum.

I consider this something that could be enriching community public spaces for MD, I hope you can give me your opinions in this matter.

Thank you
K

Deffinitly the eliminationg of the list won't solve the hoarding situation. People have hoarded even before the list existed.
If it is really Mur's intention to prevent this to happen Im sure he will come with a most effective idea to solve this "problem".

Deffinitly the eliminationg of the list won't solve the hoarding situation. People have hoarded even before the list existed.
If it is really Mur's intention to prevent this to happen Im sure he will come with a most effective idea to solve this "problem".

Deffinitly the eliminationg of the list won't solve the hoarding situation. People have hoarded even before the list existed.
If it is really Mur's intention to prevent this to happen Im sure he will come with a most effective idea to solve this "problem".

Deffinitly the eliminationg of the list won't solve the hoarding situation. People have hoarded even before the list existed.
If it is really Mur's intention to prevent this to happen Im sure he will come with a most effective idea to solve this "problem".

I do believe that the item's creation, and later, the item trading, should be something that involves lots of people not just a few. I know some people believe hoarding is something that we should respect, but I would say hoarding only makes people less and less interested on the items market.

I consider that the hole idea of extraccion/creation/trading should be very diverse and complex and involve as much interaccion from the MD community as possible. This could sound too idealistic, but I believe it is the only way to make it really interesting.

During the firsts auctions taking place on MD, I as a merchant never hoarded and it was fun, we where able to emulate a market fair,and many people could participate because the prices wherent so high. I dont know... maybe I have a different aproach on this... all Im saying is that REAL ACCESS to the market and item creation its required to make it interesting.

Regards,
K

[quote name='Liberty4life' date='25 November 2009 - 02:38 PM' timestamp='1259181493' post='48457']
poems of locations lost its meaning, nobody cares for them, signs at entrance to each land... huh? who reads it? afaik story mode was also only one that made connection of creats with us, today in md... in everyday rp how often do we have creats involved for anything? players are merchants, warriors, not circus tamers or TCG cards owners, why do i say that? simple.. creats are those days to rpers second part of game..
story mode and AL got fully replaced by papers and "casual rp" of all sorts....
poems and lands descriptions mean nothing, everyone has same opinion about every location and acts same, all they care is if location is crowded or is it remote one, thats all
principals.. another stat to grind till 1k and thats it
inner magic and background story.... wot are those?
creats? ah thats some side game inside real game to one kind of ppl to another they are whole game
this is current situation about those things in md
(...)
but lately md is getting more and more automatized, and kinda more and more towards game that is actually click to advance
idk and idc wot ya will say but i am one of those players that like revealing mystery, i wanna know wot happened next in story mode, i wanna know about inner magic and principals uses, i wanna know meaning of storymode story, meaning of AL since it had its message to tell each time, i wanna know meaning of poems, i wanna know more about creats, many creats dont have description, some creats like barren soul contain description that is related to ancient lore which got banned, and many more things, i cant think anymore if i could i would most likely wrote more, this is all i have to say for now
[/quote]

I totally agree. MD's mysteries have to become more important and they should have continuity. When I have spoke to newcomers they are trully interested in knowing more about principles... about Marind...ancient Lore and many things I wish i knew a bit more. I would say the game logic has the tendency to make you become a bit alienated, specially because it is quite hard to get people atention in subjects wich has nothing to do with creature training.

Maybe if diferent locations would give alternaitve power to creatures during a fight, people would be interested in finding the reason why is that happening in that particular location... I dont know, Im just speculating.

Anyways, I do agree it is necesary to get MD all community involved with MD's history and mysteries, so it can continue to be a unique kinda RPgame.

Regards,
K