DARK DEMON

[quote name='dst' timestamp='1354015742' post='126602'] I am one of the organizers so I can't be nominated. That shows how much you have read about this event and how serious you are about something that someone is trying to do with no benefit for that someone. If you want to troll find another topic. Also I suggest you actually READ the topics from previous years and stop coming with idiotic comments like the one above. Thank you and move along. [/quote] Aww, what a shame! Most Hated was ripe for the taking, ya know (I knew from the start you couldn't be nominated) I'm serious though about keeping Most Hated in!

[quote name='Grido' timestamp='1353975468' post='126563'] [url="http://magicduel.invisionzone.com/topic/13282-md-awards-2012-category-suggestion/#entry126481"]ADD Quest Expert / ALTER Prime Quest[/url] / [url="http://magicduel.invisionzone.com/topic/13282-md-awards-2012-category-suggestion/#entry126483"]ADD Best Quest Design[/url] - the best quest-maker of the year [url="http://magicduel.invisionzone.com/topic/13282-md-awards-2012-category-suggestion/#entry126483"]ADD Best Community Organizer[/url] [url="http://magicduel.invisionzone.com/topic/13282-md-awards-2012-category-suggestion/page__st__20#entry126560"]CHANGE Evil Villain > Most Hated[/url] Please state for/against the points raised, as well as whatever else you wish to input. [/quote] ASS Quest Expert ~ Yes Best Community Organizer ~ No CHANGE Evil Villain > Most Hated ~ Yes [quote name='dst' timestamp='1353999999' post='126580'] No to most hated. Yes to villain if you want to stay on that side of the road but defo not "most hated". [/quote] WHY? You'd win!

[quote name='Mya Celestia' timestamp='1353964868' post='126532'] [color=#008080][font=lucida sans unicode,lucida grande,sans-serif]Dark, when you are able, re-apply. Because you didn't get the citizenship as Dark Demon, you should be able to apply. You could try talking to MoC in the mean time to make him aware of the situation in case he didn't realize it. [/font][/color] [color=#008080][font=lucida sans unicode,lucida grande,sans-serif]Let's give the benefit of the doubt. If anything, you've reported the bug.[/font][/color] [/quote] [color=#008000][font=comic sans ms,cursive]Council has given me my citizenship back [/font][/color][color=#008000][font=comic sans ms,cursive] They do not believe it is a bug, even though Crash Test Dummy does.[/font][/color] [font=comic sans ms,cursive][color=#008000]Anyhow, this topic can be closed and moved. Thanks.[/color][/font]

[quote name='ZenTao' timestamp='1354010446' post='126591'] shorts [/quote] swim

Happy B-day!

[quote name='Esmaralda' timestamp='1353948102' post='126496'] Well, if person X has at least 2 casts of illusion, that guarantees that X can never be kicked out of a land (since it takes a week for a vote), and spells reset every two weeks. That seems unbalanced to me. [/quote] Which is why I've asked for it to be fixed in my illusion thread ([url="http://magicduel.invisionzone.com/topic/13278-illusion-citizenship-problem/"]http://magicduel.inv...enship-problem/[/url]) But dst and No One do not agree, for some reason. I'm even willing to set up a poll for this!

[quote name='Seigheart' timestamp='1353937844' post='126483'] How about Best Community Organizer? and Best Quest Design? [/quote] Best Quest Design = Prime Quest

I have another one. Add "Quest Expert" for the best quest-maker of the year. It can also be merged with "Prime Quest", if possible. As for Grido's post: Only have 3 awards ~ NO WAY! The current ones should remain! And perhaps add the one ^^ above Top Techie description change- change best - most popular ~ Yes Split Best Beautification back up ~ Yes ADD - Master Avatar Maker ~ Maybe ADD - Most loyal to land ~ I agree with dst, it would be best not to have that one. ADD - Most popular ~ Yes

UPDATE: I must wait till 16th Dec to apply again ---> (went to Ravenhold)

[quote name='No one' timestamp='1353929803' post='126458'] Indeed Dark one, nobody tells you in advance but this is all about MD mechanics and due to LR making quite a fuss about dst's illusions "recently" all who read the forum should know about this. If you were not interested ... it does not mean that it was not public. Please look & read for the illusion topics of LR against dst's (and other) illusions. I have considered all the consequences and seeking the loopholes is part of what keeps me in MD. The only ppl that don't find them acceptable are those that failed something due to illusions (see the SI takeover as part of the LR's complaint about illusions) . [/quote] I wasn't in this realm when Loreroot must have protested. But tell me this: how am I wrong to complain? [quote name='dst' timestamp='1353930304' post='126461'] Illusions are risky. If you use them, you should accept those risks. [/quote] OMG, I've said this 3 times already! I DID NOT USE THE ILLUSION! I was not aware of any "consequences" or "risks" either.

[quote name='No one' timestamp='1353927686' post='126453'] @Dark: I said no such thing. But I do am sorry for you being caught in this. [/quote] Oops, I'm SO sorry! I meant that I am Bored would spend it... lol

[quote name='dst' timestamp='1353925767' post='126444'] I don't know if you're get your citizenship back. And I doubt anyone here knows. So...it's quite pointless to ask on the forum. IMO this is not a bug. It's normal behavior of illusions. So I don't see a reason why it should be fixed. [/quote] Not a bug? (see below) [quote name='BFH' timestamp='1353863216' post='126354'] Very interesting bug [/quote] Why it should be fixed? (see below) [quote name='Chewett' timestamp='1353864379' post='126360'] bad things happen, people complain. [/quote] In this case, the bad thing was that DARK DEMON rightfully became citizen of Loreroot, but JUST because of an illusion, he did not. And now, he wants it back. Simple. To prevent this from happening to anyone else in the future, I thought it would be nice to post that it must be fixed. Can't make it simpler than that. [quote name='dst' timestamp='1353925767' post='126444'] And what abuses should I check? I don't see any abuse here. [/quote] Aye, not yet. But have you not considered how people might take advantage of: [quote name='Udgard'] if someone who is about to get kicked enters an illusion just before the end of the vote, then comes out of illusion afterwards, will they be able to circumvent being kicked (seems like a potential loophole here)? [/quote] _______________________________________________________________________ [quote name='Falronn' timestamp='1353925975' post='126446'] When I was frogged there was a cooldown period of which I could not exit the illusion until it had passed. Considering DD got frogged a day before he got citizenship, it's very possible there was nothing he could do about it. DARK DEMON, email council and see what they say about it. Otherwise you will likely have to reapply. [/quote] [quote name='No one' timestamp='1353926166' post='126447'] As I said also in : [url="http://magicduel.invisionzone.com/topic/13216-citizenship-by-crash-test-dummy/#entry126445"]http://magicduel.inv...my/#entry126445[/url] From my point of view, let illusions be like they are right now. Who can use it and know how to use it ... it is his right to use it. The illusions have their bad counter part and those using them are assuming the risks. It is your fault that you stayed in illusion, you should support the consequences. Also, you are not forbidden to reapply to LR again. If you were accepted into LR, there should be no problem to get in again. Edit: Do as Falron said. Who knows, maybe they will do an exception for you. Good luck. [/quote] [quote name='dst' timestamp='1353926786' post='126448'] The cooldown is way less than 1 day. It's 20 minutes/spell point. I doubt turntofrog has more than 1 point but even if it has, I kind of doubt it has such a long cooldown. [/quote] [quote name='Falronn' timestamp='1353927419' post='126450'] I don't remember how long it was exactly (ask sasha lilias) but I remember it took a little while for the toadspeak part of the effect to wear off, not considering the actual illusion cooldown. Was longer than 20 minutes. [/quote] MoC said that his spells last longer (double the time). Yes, I knew I could turn it off before I got citizenship, but I didn't know how to UNTIL I was given citizenship. Falronn, I've emailed [color=#2A2A2A][size=3][url="http://www.google.com/recaptcha/mailhide/d?k=01ILtqSnTaJ2O1sPbKXjNZeQ==&c=8EZ60gSnhtV3HOLkW242euSKUwLs_WRxzOR8uuv5HQs="]Bugs/Crash Test Dummy Contact Address[/url][/size][/color]. Lets see what he says. No One, you say it is my fault that I stayed in the illusion? How was I to know that I would lose my citizenship once it's gone? How would anyone who has not been in an illusion before know that they would lose their citizenship once the illusion ends? Nobody is kind to tell you from advance...

Happy birthday!

[quote name='dst' timestamp='1353923712' post='126439'] 1. You can exit from the illusion yourself. No need to wait for the spell to wear off. 2. Dark Ribbit is NOT citizen of loreroot. When you exit the illusion everything resets. 3. Illusions were already fixed because Loreroot asked for such a fix - yes, illus are as they are BECAUSE Loreroot put a pressure of changing soemthing that was not even "in production". So now you want it changed again just because it doesn't suit your needs? Really? [/quote] When did I mention "my needs"...? All I want is my citizenship back. I merely mentioned that the bug in my first post should be fixed. You're supposed to be the one checking about things being abused, right? Why back off at this? If the bug is fixed, will it only help me or everybody? I'm afraid you're wrong. It's not for my needs at all, but for the community. I'll ask my main question again, "Will I get my citizenship back? If yes, then when? If not, then am I to re-apply?"

[quote name='Dragual' timestamp='1353864793' post='126362'] Chewett. Why in the world would every new person read through EVERY single bit of details and information the moment they arrive here. Dark clearly stated it wasn't his illusion. I believe you demand way too much from the newer players way too soon. I understand expecting some degree of knowledge about something... But to study and learn about this realm takes time. Especially when most players find a balance between work and play. [/quote] *coughs* I'm not that new *coughs* This basically applies for all who have never been in an illusion and don't know about it, even if they are VERY VERY old. Which is why.... As Udgard also pointed out in the other thread, the illusion thing really MUST be fixed, cause then people will most probably use them to prevent them from being kicked out of a land.

An award for "Most Loyal to Land" perhaps?

Can I please just know when this will be fixed? Will I get citizenship automatically or do I have to re-apply? Will citizenship be removed from DARK Ribbit? Actually it must, cause all people who apply for Loreroot citizenship will suffer then. There will be one extra citizen, and he won't be able to vote...

[quote name='Chewett' timestamp='1353879536' post='126381'] however turn to frog only lasts a short period of time, dark could have easily went back to normal. Long story short, it should be fixed so that those in an illusion are affected by the change when they leave, unless there is some reason to stop them doing so. [/quote] if i had known i would lose citizenship. i would have OBVIOUSLY changed back before that. Secondly, i didn't even know how to transform back till after i got citizenship.

[quote name='Chewett' timestamp='1353864379' post='126360'] everything is reset when you finish an illusion, your problem, anyone using an illusion should know this information... This is why illusions havent been given to everyone... bad things happen, people complain. [/quote] which is why i clearly stated that "MoC casted the illusion on me" ! I don't have the spell to cast an illusion... nor do I know this information. NOT my problem. I WILL complain.

[quote name='BFH' timestamp='1353863138' post='126354'] Very interesting bug I really think the ribbit name got the citizenship aka Dark Ribbit. Or I might be wrong [/quote] Yes, I know That means that DARK Ribbit is a Lorerootian! Someone please remove it from him and give it to me...

[quote name='Leixer' timestamp='1353172091' post='125661'] [color=#000000]This feature is quite extensive, and likely has some bugs. Rewards will be given to those who send me details of any bugs depending on the importance of the bug. If people lose citizenship or have issues with this due to bugs you should contact me at[/color][color=#2A2A2A][size=3][url="http://www.google.com/recaptcha/mailhide/d?k=01ILtqSnTaJ2O1sPbKXjNZeQ==&c=8EZ60gSnhtV3HOLkW242euSKUwLs_WRxzOR8uuv5HQs="]Bugs/Crash Test Dummy Contact Address[/url][/size][/color] [color=#000000]Comments can go here, i will reply to them ingame and via email.[/color] [/quote] http://magicduel.invisionzone.com/topic/13278-illusion-citizenship-problem/

I had applied to be a Loreroot citizen, but a day before the vote would end, MoC cast turntofrog on me. I became a Loreroot citizen during my illusion. Now, when I ended the illusion, I'm no longer a citizen. Does this mean I'll have to wait for 28 days? Will anyone who turntofrog is casted on become a Loreroot citizen? Please advise... I want my citizenship back!

[quote name='Nimrodel' timestamp='1353859174' post='126347'] Persephone [/quote] greek mythology

[quote name='Nimrodel' timestamp='1353847932' post='126328'] Look at the tagged threads below? First comes category suggestion. Next nominations Next voting then the actual ceremony and then feedback. So you'll know about the nominations thread after the category suggestion is decided on. [/quote] Ah, thanks again.

I'm willing to trade a mirror rit stone for 2 locate stones