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[quote name='Watcher' date='19 July 2010 - 05:46 PM' timestamp='1279554406' post='64170']
[quote name='Muratus del Mur' date='07 June 2010 - 11:30 AM']
Images FROM MD, can be used for quest purposes, mixed together, altered, etc, as long as they are not creating confusion. No image should be used that could be considered a spoiler, like premium creatures, remote locations, achievements colored art, etc.
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How do you conclude that what you are proposing is allowed? This is not a quest, for a quest, or is in any way quest related. Because Muratus del Mur has said one thing--that images from MagicDuel may be used and altered, with stated limitations--you come to believe that his statement applies to something else entirely? Your use of "logic" is astounding.
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How do you conclude that it is for quest purposes only? I'm not an expert on English grammar, but a comma can be used to list multiple possibilities which need not be inclusive as well. "can be used for quest purposes or mixed together or altered etc." versus "can be used for quest purposes, eg by being mixed together or being altered etc". In a further quote, Mur states personal use as another acceptable use, does he have to list all things allowed one by one?

It's funny how you go after single words, yet fail to provide quotes which are interpretable in only a single way.

[quote name='Pipstickz' date='17 July 2010 - 05:14 AM' timestamp='1279358052' post='64059']
this is artwork from the game, and the only money being made is the money in the game. The court it would be handled in, if it were to go to court, would most likely be in the game. Blackwood does not claim to own the material that he uses, nor does he claim that they are official in any way.
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Your ignorance of copyright law is apparent. The point is not whether he is getting "real" money for his productions, but that he is altering and distributing artwork that is not his. He has no rights to any of the artwork he has ever used for any creation I have seen him produce. He admits that he uses other's work, manipulating it, for his "artwork." While he may have innocent intentions, copyright laws do not care about how something is [i]intended[/i], but the [i]actual use[/i] of it.
By distributing artwork that is not his, with [i]his[/i] name on it as [i]the creator[/i], he is violating that law.

As I stated before, if Muratus del Mur does not care, then this conversation is moot. However, Blackwood Forest has made no indication as to whether he has contacted the actual owner of the artwork or has a blanket permission to use what is not his.



[quote name='Darigan' date='17 July 2010 - 05:46 AM' timestamp='1279360016' post='64061']
Perhaps if someone would have a private conversation with Blackwood about his designs or authenticity instead of blasting him here
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Your capacity for hyperbole is amusing. No one has "blasted" Blackwood Forest here about what is happening, he is merely being questioned again. As for the conversation component, I would have thought that Muratus del Mur had made his thoughts clear the last time this was brought up.



[quote name='Rhaegar Targaryen' date='17 July 2010 - 03:26 PM' timestamp='1279394804' post='64085']
please people, leave Blackwood alone, and if Mur doesn't like what is he doing, he will tell him so?
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I have seen a statement similar to this on several different threads over the past few weeks and it makes me wonder about those who ask it. Are these individuals five year-old children or adults? Do any of these people have the capability to know right from wrong? Is an authority figure truly required to come by, slap the person on the wrist, and say "No! You are being bad!"?

While I know that some of the people who play this game are younger teenagers, many are easily in their twenties, if not older. Do these people need someone else to keep an eye on their actions and tell them when they do something wrong? Can these individuals not judge situations for themselves? When one says 'Mur would stop me if he didn't like what I was doing,' it makes the speaker (or writer for this particular medium) sound as though he or she were a toddler, completely lacking in the concept of morality. Muratus del Mur is a busy man and cannot keep up with everything that is going on in regards to this game and all associated with it, nor should he have to.

Would it not be wiser to think about what one is going to do [i]before[/i] doing it? If the thought 'Would Mur ask me to not do this?' occurs even once, thinking longer on the course of action would be prudent. It takes maturity to be responsible for one's own actions; statements such as the one quoted above display a distinct lack of development.

[quote name='Rhaegar Targaryen' date='10 July 2010 - 06:23 PM' timestamp='1278800611' post='63776']
....the idea about starting this was to listen to constructive feedback of people, not sentimental complaints and biased conservative, political posts. in the meantime I noticed I ain't gonna get what I was expecting so went on to the testing phase....
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You just didn't like/accept the criticism you received. The sparring grounds were awesome, I don't even know the rules of what to do now, there's no direction, no basic rules that are easy to understand. The sparring grounds was an easy concept, easy to grasp and understand. What you did to it, I don't feel was for the best, but for the worse.

It won't work.

People don't stop using their best rits just because you ask for that. Neither will they stop using full influence.
It doesn't pay to risk losing while you still have something to gain from winning, and it doesn't help any newbie to have people with lol-defences like the people who formerly used ggg.

You need either people who see a future in that and want to help you, or have an incentive for people, like rewards for sticking to your rules.
You also won't scare people too much with your spells, they are not permanent enough...

Also, whatever you plan as lesson will turn out to be a spoiler. Grido won't agree with spoilers of such scale in a location as public as the park.

I haven't been around to see things myself, but if what you put on the signpost is your actual plan, you probably want to consider burning the blueprints and start over... Else your building might crash, and who wants to listen to architects whose structures fail?

[quote name='Yrthilian' date='07 July 2010 - 04:44 PM' timestamp='1278513885' post='63583']
Sorry i have to point out when one askes other for help
what is provided is more alt and not a [u]REAL[/u] player
so there really is no diffrence in the bot/player
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So because it is 'already done' it is ok?
Is it, because Everyone jumps into a river, you should do it also? And make it public as 'a good thing'

[quote name='Yrthilian' date='07 July 2010 - 04:44 PM' timestamp='1278513885' post='63583']
This is only for MP5 so learning to depend on each other
has already happened and this would not be an option
if everyone could find a real player to help them.
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"I learned how to communicate, so I guess I can stop doing it now" thats what you are saying
This would indeed not be an option if people were not that lazy...

[quote name='Yrthilian' date='07 July 2010 - 04:44 PM' timestamp='1278513885' post='63583']
The fact is many other use bots/alts to help lower their xp
so the libs in turn would be no diffrence really. Well in my view
that is.
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thats like giving a pyroman a flamethrower
"He's already doing it, so, it'll make no difference"

[quote name='Yrthilian' date='07 July 2010 - 04:44 PM' timestamp='1278513885' post='63583']
I would feel this would make the proccess quicker and in the long run
help but if people are very agenst it i wont do it. But since there has
been very little responce i will take it as a go ahead. Unless i see a
bigger responce agenst the idea.
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Is it supposed to be quick?
And maybe you need to wait a little bit - it has been barely 7 hours since you posted this.

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As a reply to Apophys; Indeed - Another issue: Alt Abuse

Sorry i have to point out when one askes other for help
what is provided is more alt and not a [u]REAL[/u] player
so there really is no diffrence in the bot/player

This is only for MP5 so learning to depend on each other
has already happened and this would not be an option
if everyone could find a real player to help them.

The fact is many other use bots/alts to help lower their xp
so the libs in turn would be no diffrence really. Well in my view
that is.

I would feel this would make the proccess quicker and in the long run
help but if people are very agenst it i wont do it. But since there has
been very little responce i will take it as a go ahead. Unless i see a
bigger responce agenst the idea.

[quote name='Rhaegar Targaryen' date='05 July 2010 - 10:27 PM' timestamp='1278365250' post='63473']
uhmmm sorry Bronzometh, take no offense, but you're still pretty young in this realm and don't know what you are talking about.
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Thats just a tad rude.

You accused me of being part of the "elite vetern circle" yet you seem not to care about someones news veiws, merely stating they "dont know what they are talking about"

It doesnt give what they say any less worth. From what i have seen is that he has given his personal opinion of it. It may be wrong, But that is where he can learn by you explaining things, other than just going "you dont know what you are talking about"

Really, i dont care what happens to the MDP, bring all the new players there, it just means my mp3's have easier targets.

Now, to make this clear.

You regard the SG not as a part of the community, but yours, solely because it is located in MB?

You hereby declare this by royal decree, against any resistance by the community? You order him to take it up?

The SG, Sparring Grounds, is something I wrote in there. Not you, mind it. I refuse to let him have that place under these conditions, as long as it holds that title.

You may say, it is your right to do so. Debatable I say. It existed before kings were introduced. And yet, even now, it exists..in its own ways. I intended to change the mentality back then from the dojo, and it seemed to have worked. When I was not needed anymore, I left. I also welcome change. But as of now, I see politics, power struggle and not real interest for the best of the community.

And I ask you again. Do you order this, no matter what reaction it shall have?

1) I do not plan to abuse anymore quests. Those that were around a while ago will know I gave a wishpoint to "my alt". I am not proud of this thus I do not want to "rig" any futher quests, not even for friends.
2)I did not say WHEN this will end did I? I didn't even say it WILL end. I use Mcvitie alot more now, so many people will be able to see what she is like.
3) It may NOT be original but, as Es pointed out ,neither are many of the quests in MD.

[quote Pipstickz]
Not to mention the fact that only you know how and why you think what you think, and the rest of us can just guess, using fancy words :/

PS: Also the fact that you spend more time on other alts than you do on mcvitie makes it quite a bit more complicated.[/quote]

I am asking how YOU see her, not how I see her. Though, of course, if someone says something that I agree with or that I was thinking then they will gain extra marks.

its official name is wind DRAGON and not drachorn.
and i must highly disagree with u yrth. some stupid example ...lets see...if human is killed and bitten by a vampire he becomes a vampire as well and isnt human anymore. the gg drachorn died in the mutation just like the human who going to become a vampire.

[quote name='Aysun' date='30 June 2010 - 02:26 PM' timestamp='1277900763' post='63023']
Magic Duel is not an exceptionally dark place. Although Mur claims that one of the keys to MD is balance, I would beg to argue that light certainly trumps dark here. Part of the reason for this, I think, is the great amount of people who feel able to step outside of the game world and shout unfair when something happens that they don't like. There are more daisies and sunshine and so a majority don't seem to like rolling with the occasional punch when it comes. That these punches [i]are[/i] occasional no doubt means that they will be more headline news here compared to other games where killing and revival are quite common.[/quote]
Most people play a neutral or a good aligned character, hence there is an imbalance towards light. It is tricky to play an evil character for several reasons. Everybody can be an annoying person, but a likable evil person? Furthermore even this time the killed character got revived. Doing evil deeds isn't that simple if your victims are certain to find out and come back to haunt you.

[quote]Since someone brought up also that there should've been more role play to it[/quote]
If you read the reasons why Mya was chosen to be killed... they first decided who to murder and then sought for a reason why the culprit would want to do it. That is meta gaming. Granted, a little meta gaming might be necessary to prevent stagnation, yet the main question of this thread is what is acceptable and what kind of precedent do we want to set? Should even a saint be allowed to murder just because it makes things interesting?

[quote]how much more RP can you get than using an actual, tangible game item? Also, unless you use the blue text to *ties up <person> and gags them so that they cannot move* you'll be spending all day with your foe going *attempts to tie up <person>* and you responding with *struggles free* back and forth and back and forth because without some amount of 'unfairness' brought on by absolute moves, someone will always manage to use a deus ex machina to escape in some fashion, thus getting no one anywhere and that is not productive to the story or to RP.[/quote]
If you're going to rely on mechanics, you can't do much. The creature battles only allow you to KO somebody, you cannot loot their corpse. People only stay dead for a few weeks tops...
If you're relying on sparkly blue text, you'll have to obey self imposed restrictions. If you read someone's papers you can guess how much restrictions they placed upon their character. If there are none, you have the choice between ignoring that (awful) character, or to stay on their good side because they're too strong. Or you could go for the rule of coolness or even toss a coin to decide whether a grappling attempt on your character worked. Certainly if the other person is assuming using a two headed coin and you are not, you're bound to loose a toss eventually, but this is like all game theory problems: if both sides stay stubborn, everybody - including you - loses.

I am extremely late to this party, as loss of internet and then travel caused me to miss this thread entirely, but since I was quoted in the first post, I would like to further clarify my views.

Magic Duel is not an exceptionally dark place. Although Mur claims that one of the keys to MD is balance, I would beg to argue that light certainly trumps dark here. Part of the reason for this, I think, is the great amount of people who feel able to step outside of the game world and shout unfair when something happens that they don't like. There are more daisies and sunshine and so a majority don't seem to like rolling with the occasional punch when it comes. That these punches [i]are[/i] occasional no doubt means that they will be more headline news here compared to other games where killing and revival are quite common.

My comments stemmed from this- when something is apart of the game reality, such as the stone dagger and the ability to kill, why do people feel the need to step outside of the reality of MD to cry unfair when it is quite simply apart of the game? It is apart of the game, created by Mur, and you agreed a long time ago to participate in MD come what may, therefore why the complaint? Since it is apart of the game world, I also don't understand why there seems to be this need for permission to use something that is in and apart of the game. Perhaps this sounds a bit cold. Maybe it is. But these are still the facts of the matter when you get down to it. If some find it that great of a travesty, however, instead of complaining about how an item was used properly, perhaps those who are that upset by it should question the existence of the item itself, perhaps to Mur. However, since Necrovion is the place of Death, and they have distributed Death as they saw fit using the tools given them, I can't see that getting very far.

Since someone brought up also that there should've been more role play to it, how much more RP can you get than using an actual, tangible game item? Also, unless you use the blue text to *ties up <person> and gags them so that they cannot move* you'll be spending all day with your foe going *attempts to tie up <person>* and you responding with *struggles free* back and forth and back and forth because without some amount of 'unfairness' brought on by absolute moves, someone will always manage to use a deus ex machina to escape in some fashion, thus getting no one anywhere and that is not productive to the story or to RP.

Part of role playing is also spontaneity. If everything is scripted and agreed to beforehand, I can't imagine that really being interesting in the slightest. One of the major fun points regarding RP is having to respond suddenly to a situation, whatever that may be cause by whomever, and finding your own ways using the laws of the land to combat it. There is creativity in that, not in polite negotiations where you already know the outcome.

Anyway, this has gotten long- my apologies as I'm sure a few of you have already gone tl;dr. Still, since I was one of the few quoted, I thought I should try to clarify a bit.

This is not a quest for the light hearted.

I’m going to take you on a journey, well, you will take yourself. I will just give you some arrows. It will not be easy, it will be confusing, it will not be clear – and I preface this with the following:


[u]Instructions[/u]

The first 6 people to apply for the quest will be called “Keystones”.
The Keystones will automatically have all information others have to search for.
The rest of the participants are called Footstones.
Keystones should focus on Footstones, but can choose to focus on Keystones if they so wish.
Footstones must focus on Keystones and a focus on a Footstone will be irrelevant on completion.
I will not be releasing information on who is who.

You may work in groups, but if you do, it may put you at a disadvantage.

Keystones and Footstones may tell people they are working on this quest if they so wish, but to do so may put you at a disadvantage.

Quest “employees” MUST NOT ever tell anyone openly what their title is and are not permitted to work in groups if they choose to participate. They are also exempt from keystone status. The are not to give any information what-so-ever to keystones, but they will not be aware of who the keystones are – not by my hand in any event.

The purpose of the quest is to gather your information and attempt to discern what it means as a unified whole. Obviously this means the more information you have the better…in theory…. Once you figure this out, you must take the required action you feel the information is pointing you towards.

The reason this quest will run until September is because it is quite confusing and requires you to grasp new concepts and do your research on possible meanings. I fully expect most people to give up or get annoyed.



[u]Gathering Information:[/u]

The more accidents you make, contacting the wrong people in trying to find these characters – the more issues you will have at a later date. It will also count against you in the final reckoning. So be careful.
[b]
The Key Keeper[/b] – Will show you the way. Is a split personality, depending on which personality you talk to you will get different information. You should attempt to find this one first. Has 3 pieces of “required” information, but will only give you two of them. Also has another piece of documentation. Depending on the personality this will consist of five or three parts, they will give you no more than two – and only when they feel you warrant it.

Some like to talk to hear themselves speak, others offer their hand in hopes of friendship. my mouth moves to acquire information, my hand extends to receive a coin. My associates are out of necessity. Our meeting born out of selfish desires.

I am generally attracted towards are those who are logical, conscience, rational, well spoken, and generally those who aren't sarcastic, or of idiotic behaviour. Having once been an idiotic, sarcastic person I now tend to realize that being like that is not the way to rationalize and to talk to people. I rather now converse with people of a more mature nature and who can logically conceive ideas, and question reality.


[b]The Code Master[/b] – Is a split personality, depending on which personality you talk to you will get different information. Each personality has 2 sets of intel. Both sets have 4 pieces of information, and the code master will only give you two from both (so four total)

I prefer to be with those who I can trust. Those who do not deny who they are, or what they are, on the inside, and out.

I enjoy the company of people who are easy-going, moderately intelligent and modest, even if it is only a little. People who are very stressed out are always busy. I can deal with dumber people, usually, but it gets on my nerves. Too much modesty annoys me, but too little is fine, usually.


[b]The Riddle Glass[/b] – Be careful how you approach him for he can give you a clue so large it could topple buildings or a clue so confusing you will get lost in it. Has two pieces of information, and will only give you one. Also has secondary documentation consisting of five parts. He will only give you two.

Curiosity. Those that are curious are interesting and fun to have around, and those that will do something, but not for a reward only. I quickly tire of those that need a reward to do something, be it a quest, or a favour. Finally, those that can think for themselves, not having me to explain things that they should know if they just thought about it for two seconds.

[u]
The Reckoning[/u]

The final part of the quest is the reckoning. PM me and tell me all the information you have collected, how you got it, what it means as a unified whole and what action you took as a result of your findings - and why it worked, or didn’t. If you worked in a group please only the head of the group send me the information along with a list of participants and their actions. You need to also tell me why the things I have said will put you at a disadvantage are disadvantageous and if you chose to do them, why you did and how you overcame those difficulties or how you used them to your advantage instead if you managed to. Alts are not permitted. Each individual or each individual in any group has only one chance to give me their final answer. Be prepared I will probably then grill you on what you have said.

The only help I will give you on your journey is a bibliography. Which parts of said bibliography I give you will depend on what your response is to what I ask when and if you ask me for it. You may not ask for this until after July 25th.

[b]DO NOT SIGN UP HERE. PM ME.[/b] Anyone signing up here will automatically be a footstone and may disadvantage themselves.

If you want to ask any questions you can do so here, but I will only answer where they will not jeopardise the purpose of the quest.

Feeling a little dazed and confused? You’re supposed to be. Good luck to those that have the bottle.

Z

(nearly forgot....

Rewards: 5WPs to be distributed to those who demonstrate they solved the most, pieced together the concept best and understood the information enough to use it effectively

Possibly some other rewards.

Last 25 players rewarded: These are people I cannot currently give wps to
Shantu
Neno Veliki
Sir Kamil
Chewett
Shadowseeker
Asterdai
*MasterB*
dr why
Mighty Pirate
Emerald Arcanix
Totenkopf
Dteah Rnig
werewolfer
Rendril Revant
Indyra Sirenias
stavaroiu
Granos
Yoshi
Blackwood Forest
glazed glutton
Burns the Green
Thomas Riddle
I am Bored
Lazarus
domonic)

I'm trying to start something that will introduce the youngsters with the aspects of MD, show them paths of knowledge, let them gain a info or two about the realm.
it will involve many things from fighthing challenges (tho I need voluenters for that, one or two mp3 and mp4 since it is a quest meant for them.) and land teachings to adventure log tasks, and lot more.
It will have fitting rewards for the youngsters (usable creatures hard to get for them at certain checkpoints, quality avatars for the ones who do the best overall most likely... it won't have WPs I'll try to discourage alts doing this in that way.)

what I need from you are your applies to be part of the quest.
Players with a developed role who usually stay at a specific location (so that can easily be found), with a great plus if they have something to teach the new players about that is specific to their background (one of the goals is also to show the player opportunities in the realm, so it can easily involve Land cultures and an option of joining one at point, or neutral guilds - with joining being unrelated to the quest) to apply to me (Forum PMs please.)

any suggestions would also be welcome, I obviously have no personal gains from this, so let this be a project for young to get adapted into MD more easily better than seeing hundreds of people fading (I am sure at least a dozen of them would stay if they were familiar about this place and its interesting aspects).
It will have a nice fitting story as well.

edit: just to make sure, the project making just started, so don't expect it to be out in few days. I assure you it will be worked on tho.

Im here to give some idea about how we see the list of adepts i dont like to see 10 - 20 non active adepts
maybe someone can implement a item tool or feature to change that part

1. Sort you can choose the if you want, above active adepts, or inactive

2. Hide active, or inactive adepts

well this all for now

*Massive hug*

[quote name='Sparrhawk' date='03 June 2010 - 10:02 PM' timestamp='1275631339' post='60962']
Better yet take a moment to think before you post a ridiculous suggestion.
have you even read any of the topic.
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Nope I havent even read the title to this thread i am completely illiterate and post my opinions on random ideas i have anywhere in the forum you can tell by my high post count and how i m always being flamed for spam.

Is my signature too long?

The thing is UD, that the issue is not so much this item. Mur scripted the item and we have been told that it won't be possible for players to script such items. That being said, people have a way of finding alternative means to do things. They may be able to achieve pretty destructive results that were not intended. The question remains. If you have an item that allows you to do something, is the mere fact that you have the item all the reason needed for using it? You could extend this to spells or any other feature of game mechanics. Like the example that Pip gave of an MP3 using regen on people. That is a game mechanic therefore it is allowed. But at the very least it is an amazingly crappy thing to be doing on people and one that will surely drive people away. Is that what you want?
Another example I can think of.
You have been attacking someone heavily. They ask you to stop because they are about to or are suffering stat damage. You don't have to stop. You can tell them that you are not breaking any rule. But consider this. Instead of refraining from attacking them for a little while so that they can get back to a better level (at which point you could be attacking them again) you continue to pummel them. They get frustrated and leave. Ohh, one person left, big whoop! WRONG. You have now denied yourself an opponent to attack and everyone else in MD. So you are actually losing out yourself. Secondly, that person is highly unlikely to recommend MD to a friend are they? I don't know about you, but in my experience a lot of people get into a game or hobby on the recommendation of a friend. That is how I came to MD, it wasn't advertising (not that advertising doesn't help, but it isn't the only method of getting people to join). And people will also shy away from one on the basis of criticism from a friend.

I'm not going to argue semantics or deconstruct posts here, but I do wish to clarify just a few points that I believe might not be completely clear.

[u]Dusty:[/u] Yes, I do believe there should be consequences. As I have stated previously, with action comes responsibility. As I have stated previously, I take responsibly. What does that mean? Well, nothing really. I can take responsibility all I want, but if there are no consequence it's just words.

I think that items like this should come with a huge penalty for using them and you are all correct when you say that there are none (however this is a Mur scripted item, not a player scripted one). Tactics like the "murder" should have drastic outcomes and should not be taken lightly, and, again this is part of my point.

[u]Firs:[/u] "Perhaps had you spoken to Jester about it beforehand, that could have been avoided."
How do you know that I did not?

The Knife cannot be transferred to anyone else, so there is no way "possible that it could end up in somebody elses hands." Also, I had no knowledge of a revive spell, or knowledge of anyone who might. I did know that on the 8th she would be resurrected, but I never willingly kept information about that a secret.

"Regardless, the item is there and it seems that there are no consequences for using it. That, surely has to be a cause for concern?"

YES! Be concerned, I was beginning to worry because everyone was so [b]unconcerned![/b]

I look forward to what will happen.

For the record the following paragraph is purely hypothetical, I am in no way planning to physically harm anyone.

If I were to grab a knife, go out on the street and stab the first random passerby, I'd get arrested and put on trial. If I did that in another country, the same would happen over there. The country I'm in probably won't not put me on trial simply because I'm dutch and the dutch government might not agree.

Simply because you've decided not to administer punishment because of what Jester might do doesn't mean there is no possibility to do so. If your afraid of what Necro might do in return, it's your choice to succumb to them and as result inviting these sort of actions because apparently there is no consequences for killing a lorerootian.

I believe these sort of items are an positive addition to the game, it adds possibilities of tensions to the game. I consider this quest a sparkle of activity in what is generally a dull, reserved form of politics. It's [i]magic[/i]duel so unless someone wants to, it is highly unlikely they will stay death.

Of course there's hardly anyone whom is going to like getting killed. You should be able to rely on your land, your king or the community to protect you from this. Through repercussions that scare potential killers off or through other means. Of course, it'd be nice if they revive you too.

Everyone seems to think that this whole thing was scripted and planned out, play-by-play from the beginning. It wasn't. Mya was killed and then people reacted as they saw fit; the major planning was in the battles, not the actions and re-actions of other people. Some reactions were awesome (Lightsage) some, sort of disappointing.

I was the one who chose Mya as the victim and I was the one who chose [b]not[/b] to ask for her permission. She was the most interesting person to have killed; she is not boring and flat, she is well loved, a prominent member of Loreroot and grown up and strong enough to deal with something of this nature. I never assumed she would be ok with it, it just happened to work out that she was gracious enough to play along, and for that I do thank her.

I chose the moment on purpose, first because it was the wedding night and second, because it was close to the torch competition beginning. I knew she would be revived on the 8th, regardless of what happened. So, her death was [b]never[/b] permanent and I told her what she had to do to come alive again.

[u]Z:[/u] Yes, the captivity was a farce, and I hoped for some more action, perhaps even a trip to jail. That, at least would have been sort of even. Death was forced on someone, so prison should be forced on the guilty ones. At least, that's the way it works in society, but we all know MD has its own set of mores.

[u]Dusty:[/u] I was looking forward to some antics from you, but alas, no antics. You are not as much of an outsider as I think you would like to be, and I know that you are not easy "shut up". I hoped you would be a part of this, but instead you chose to pretend to be affected by some perceived negativity over your first post (I was happy to see a strong showing from you with that post) when we all know that if you wanted to, you would have been a major force. You cast yourself as a villain, but I know your dirty little secret, you are actually a nice person.

[u]Firs:[/u] Again, she would have been revived on the 8th regardless of a "flaming forum war." It was not her willingness to play along that led to her being revived "at the earliest opportunity" and in fact, did you not have a hand in reviving her due to a suggestion that I made?

[u]Moving away from the asking permission aspect of things:[/u]

It is a slippery slope to argue that because I had Mya killed and did not ask for permission, that all of a sudden people will go around scripting items and killing willy-nilly or that an item will be created that can steal or kill a purchased creature. I know that there are people out there that would do those things, however, items like this should have a penalty and that was part of the point of this.

This item was created and given out to someone deemed responsible enough to use it. To argue that in the future, incredibly powerful items will be given out to anyone to use without repercussion or consideration of abuse is just sort of silly. I am sure there will be safety measures put in place and that those examples you mention will be studiously avoided. (As far as I know, items are still in testing and some kinks are being worked out, although, I could be way off base)

[u]On a sort of tangential side note:[/u]

I don't know what it means to "RP" and hadn't ever played any kind of online game before MD (I was actually researching something for a paper when I stumbled on it and got hooked by the artwork and stayed because of the people.) Pample is me if I were stuck in some magic land without knowledge of things like Power Rangers or oil spills or lawn mowers. She responds to things the way I would and says the things I would say. I'm sure this violates some kind of RP rule or etiquette, but whatever. I say that because I have never understood the distinction between "playing MD" and "roleplaying MD."

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[font="Book Antiqua"][color="#808080"]one question.. if everything that's ok with game mechanics is allowed, why then are accounts with offensive names being deleted?
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Cause there are rules against it. As for items and killing players we have none. And to be honest I don't mind it. It's in the game? Yes. You can use it? Yes. Then use it. BUT don't go making a big fuss about it (aka quest that involves both RP and game mechanics).

Tarq:I am not the latest critic. I am one of the first and probably the one who does something about it. I don't just sit on my tail and rant
And forgive me for thinking your role is that of a mannered knight. It is not. It is just part of it. You play also the Casannova, the Puppet Master, the Spy, the <insert other roles in here cause I run out of ideas>.
To go far into your role? To see what? Your cheesy RP with some of the MD women and then you hiding under their skirts when you get caught saying that they made you do it? (remember you post where you "confessed" how some of the female players initiated you into cyber sex in MD?) I preferred to think of you as I said above and forget all the nasty stuff but seems you don't let me.


And why do you think I did not go into a corner and cry? Can't you see how sensible I am?
Now seriously:it's easy to say:"Had you continued to be involved, you would have been considered for a reward" AFTER the whole thing was over. But your reaction to my input was a bad one. If I would have continued I would have probably messed the whole thing. But that's not why I didn't and actually it's not important why I chose to stay out. There is a saying:"after the battle many heroes appear". After the quest you come and say things like this that neither me or you can prove. Let's just don't do it. It's an insult to my intelligence.

Fact is and remains:you succeeded cause you took advantage of a player's good nature.Congratz! I would probably have done the same BUT with one slight difference: I would have not tried to pose as the "good guy" who does good quests and mixes RP with game mechanics. Don't get me wrong: the main idea of the quest was good but the implementation sucked. I am not good at constructive criticism cause I usually use bats instead of velvet gloves but you're a smart boy and you'll know what I want to say (besides...my English has flaws and I might not always say what I want to say).

So...all in all good luck with your next RP+game mechanics quest! Hopefully I will have the time to participate.

[color="#8B0000"][font="Palatino Linotype"]And now a word from the victim:

Anyone that thinks I just took being murdered without complaint didn't see my responses immediately after it happened. Though I am one that is slow to anger, it was immediate and apparent as soon as Mya was killed. It's a very different mental blow when one is killed outside the torch.

Keith was the first person I contacted because he was the only person awake that I had on any list that was at the gazebo. I asked him if anything was said or done in chat that I missed. I knew of a kill spell, but not a kill item. That was when he informed me what was happening. At first I was excited about it because it was something to liven the realm. Time changes emotions and there were a lot of changes behind the screen. Keith and several others will tell you how I was like while Mya was dead.

As for those that think I am simply a puppet and I know that more than dst thinks that way, you folks are sorely mistaken. Just because Mya is nice and good natured doesn't mean her user always is. I pick my battles. When Mya was killed, instead of whining, griping, or looking for blood, I started working (best I could being dead) at finding a way to revive Mya.

Did I take Mya being killed? Yes. Why? For the sake of MD. Not because I'm nice or a puppet or whatever people think. I did it for MD. I thought about the newbies that come through the Paper Cabin. I thought about how their first experience seeing someone dead. How would it look if someone labeled 'DEAD' was acting like they weren't? What sort of impression would that give? I tried very hard to look beyond myself though at times it was really hard.
We can sit here and debate the use of items until we're all blue in the face. Because Mya has something doesn't mean she uses it. In reality I have a gun. That doesn't mean I run around killing people. MD is different because there are no consequences for killing someone. Sure Mya could whine to Grido or someone to put the murderer in jail, but that doesn't mean she'd get it. It also doesn't mean that the item would be taken. If I shot someone in reality, I'd lose my gun. What I find more disturbing was if there was a revive item, nobody came forward with it. At the very least that person could have charged a huge amount to use the item.

What's done is done. It is in the past. Better to learn and grow than wallow in the pain of the incident. Come on, people, for the good of the realm, move on.[/font][/color]

I am surprised

Not a single call for a peaceful solution? No one wants a trial? Why? Because there were arbitrary, predefined rules laid down?

As we stand outside, and within, the gates of Troy who wonders why we are gathered here?

Isn’t this a conflict between Menelaus, Paris and Helen? Or are they even the main characters, or forces, in this tale?

As we sit beside our campfires tonight, let us cling to the reasons why we are here. Loyalty, duty, land, honor, friendship, chaos, greed, glory, justice, love, revenge, joy, ..., ...

Let us cling to these reasons that turn the fall of one blade into many

How one murder multiplies

To Mya, Darigan and the rest of us I mention two things:
Revenge is like a forest, it’s easy to lose your way
and
A mirror turned upon a mirror reflects to no end

Pazur will be there. Sure, for land and country and all the blah blahs. But the real reason, what he really wants to see… is how one elegantly planted seed can sow a field of flowers

To Mr. Celine, I tip my hat
To those who do and do not see, I say
Kill Bob or kill me!
All hail Eris! All Hail Discordia!

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@DST: It's all been going on within MD itself, and someone already mentioned Ivorak and the other general knowledge in this thread as it is.
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That may be true BUT since it is a quest and since not everybody is on the same time zone I only think that if you want the quest to be somewhat fair, you should post all the info on the thread (Kyphis posted just part of it which is not that bad). How was I supposed to know what you have discussed amongst yourselves when I was not there? Think about it before writing just for the sake of post count (yeah, I am mean, I know).


You are right Tarq: the mystery is only part of the quest.And I know that you'll concentrate more on the RP part (basically on the why question) BUT the fact that I answered 2 out of 3 questions (officially) it's a fact. And you can't ignore it or come with excuses like the ones provided above. Don't worry, I did not do this for the rewards.

I already expressed my concerns about the quest but I still hope you'll prove me wrong.