Orlando Gardiner

never tought I would actually read such an argument about such pitful thinks. Can't we just all go play the game we want to play it? think mur had putted enough options in it for everyone to get his share..

I think tokens should become more rare. Completly tokened creatures (exspecially drachorn's) have became face roll creatures, no matter what you do, you win anyway.

I feel like making the tokens more rare, let's say that all sort of creatures have a certain amount of tokens they can have, like 2 or 3, which should not be acuired easily. It now costs only md credits, let it cost huge amount of vitality, honour, silver or age.


let's say that you can buy a token only one every 20 days, this reduces the amount of tokens hugely, and if tokens also grow stronger over time, so let's say a good token gains his full potential only afther 100 days. this way someone with tokens is stronger, but takes longer and will be less tokenend.

ps: therefor I still think the power of tokens should be reduced, but that's an almost impossible unfair proces for everyone who bought tokens so far..

oowh: en there should be abilities that neglect tokens, creature or tokens, so that it does not always mean that the tokened side wins

the only possibilities that I can come up with for this problems are as following:

for the exploiting and carrying torches of different lands.., well as said already before, only citizens should be capeable of getting their own torch.

everyone should have acces to their own land, so they can pick up their own torch(probably inplented when citizenship is inplented)

and about the torch competition, I guess that the maze should be closed for torch, as for the back entrance of loreroot. no acces(should really look this word up you know) trough that portal, so everyone has just one single portal to protect.

the last but not least problem, is the distance. I can think of only one thing.., that not the capitol should be the place to go. some places have to far to go, so it should be changed. like GG and Necro should have their 'torch drop of point, got closer to the gate, so it will still be an even long walk for everyone.

on the other side, the downside would be: that you would have a shorter walk in no mans land towards MB and longer in mb than those lands, but I have not seen the depths of those issues yet. probably land bonusses and stuff would still get disadvantes to one or another, so I guess there should be looked more at this.

[quote name='Redd' date='16 December 2009 - 01:47 PM' timestamp='1260971267' post='50416']
6 months for the first WP? That'll defy the purpose of encouraging new players. As Mur said, the first WP is important, and I agree. I think Observer's idea is good. One WP for newbies(between 2 and three months) another for his first year, then the regular interval of receiving WPs for the second year(every 6 months), and so on..




How can you measure loyalty by that scenario? I can just log in for one day each year and receive a WP? Or what if a veteran misses that one day? Better luck next year? I don't think so..
And yes, you need to be online for a whole year to reap the respective reward.
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Your absolutly true. But who would log on each your to get a WP when your not playing it anyway? and indeed, veterans missing it trough christmas would be a problem...

[quote name='Chewett' date='16 December 2009 - 03:22 PM' timestamp='1260976958' post='50418']
Rpcs? Rpcs have been disbanded for at least a month.

And rewarding them based on how many they give out will just mean that they would give out more to increase the chances.
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Believe in humanity and that people who do the quest vote seriously about someones quest, and not to just give the maximum score. It's not only about quantity, also about quality:)

Perhaps a rule for the rpc's

for every 100 awarded 5 grade(valued to be a really good quest) a wishpoint for themself.,
like this their stimulated to make more an better guest(not their not making any now,
their already hard enough:P) and to award a lot of players.


Buuuut this is totaly not the subject here, so I'm goign to be silence again:P

but is there anything going to be decided?

ps: another point: what about 1 wishpoint a year? and than given at christmas or something? this way only active people deserve it, but you wont have to be online for a whole year..

[quote name='Nex' date='08 December 2009 - 11:45 PM' timestamp='1260315915' post='49473']
[b]regarding alts/mains:[/b]
an obvious problem: how do you define alt and main? is the first char always the main? what if you mainly play your second or third, will you lose out on various possibilities because the first registered account would have had the chance to do this and that?

an example:
at least 3 of my chars could have been considered 'mains'. the first was mainly RP, the second, was originally used to test storymode and the finer points of battle mechanics and later became my 'main' for quite some time, then 'alt'-ish again when i started playing V.


[b]regarding alt abuse:[/b]
an easy if inelegant solution would be to limit age based WPs to wishes that can only really benefit the activator. no use to farm alts for WPs when your 'main' can't benefit from it. you could use them for RP purposes or to test certain options/wishes, which is one of the things alts [b]can[/b] be used for.
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Well, there will be just one down side, indeed everyone's first account should count als main, meaning that only people who use another account than their first will lose a small benefit. I's just a choise you can make, no one forces you to use another account..

It could be an option, if Mur actually had NOTHING to do besides eating out of his nose. otherwise, to much work for a bit of fun, where people wont look at a couple of weeks after release..

3 gold coins for the Spell docs.


Why is no one telling what their bidding for? I have truly no idea what everyone ones( I do got a certain idea tough)

Lord Beta Wolfeyes, just a small tip, when apply for a Writers Guild, focus on your writing in the application. >.>

Capitals, grammar, and punctuation are your friends!

oke, without reading all of this there are a few things I wish to say:

WHY FOR MY MOTHERS SAKE are all fenrir's post being voted negative? I mean, he might indeed be wrong, and he might indeed be seeing it all wrong. but that doesen't make it a bad reply, that is not the reason it is there for, it's for people who spamm, say bad things, harrass or so.., not just because you like someone less, and start voting negative on him. Same problem goes for me, a few people don't like me and they start voting negative.

and offcourse, I am not certain, but it very much looks like this is done by a few(3 at most or so) people who dislike him most.., and I am not pointing any fingers.

as for the reply that chewett made, these are indeed good points, power abuse is one of the most treacherous things that can be done and is not permitted, but on the other side: have you ever been warned about this? have they told you you where wrong on it and gave you advice on how to do what, and what not?

for me I most certainly believe that people who work together, as the moderators shoulden't let their fellow mod's down, but on this subject it looks like fenrir has been dropped, and for which reason I don't know. But I know chewett, and I guess it has been a good reason, with good prove. I just wish this to be publiced to now, since everyone is starting to discuss this now.

or is it possible that the moderator's, and fenrir open up a own location, start discussing until everything is clear for everyone, pur rational, no offending and no pointing fingers. as far as i am concered no one is wrong, just lacks the knowledge and the insight. it would do much more good than discuss it here, because all happens now it that you all( not concerned for myself:P) will get a bad name, and not in as 'he's bad, more other ways..


well, I hope I diden't offend anyone, tried to reply as rational as I can be, if any objections are made to what I said, or if I lack the insight, just tell me and I will rewrite it:)

Close due to inactivity.

I think tokens should become more rare. Completly tokened creatures (exspecially drachorn's) have became face roll creatures, no matter what you do, you win anyway.

I feel like making the tokens more rare, let's say that all sort of creatures have a certain amount of tokens they can have, like 2 or 3, which should not be acuired easily. It now costs only md credits, let it cost huge amount of vitality, honour, silver or age.


let's say that you can buy a token only one every 20 days, this reduces the amount of tokens hugely, and if tokens also grow stronger over time, so let's say a good token gains his full potential only afther 100 days. this way someone with tokens is stronger, but takes longer and will be less tokenend.

ps: therefor I still think the power of tokens should be reduced, but that's an almost impossible unfair proces for everyone who bought tokens so far..

oowh: en there should be abilities that neglect tokens, creature or tokens, so that it does not always mean that the tokened side wins

More time, and we will even have less fighting to do in MD, not a good oppertunity. Now only alliance members have that, so there is a small percentage of players which you can't attack so often, that's acceptable.

[quote name='Udgard' date='13 March 2010 - 03:22 AM' timestamp='1268450533' post='56310']
Okay, let's look at this again.



Talking about discrimination? Let's use a simple real world example. Suppose you want to get a job, of course there will be discrimination based on your [u]skills[/u]; those who have the skills more suitable for the job will undeniably get an advantage and be more likely to get hired. That's no discrimination: that's the law of nature, [u]survival of the fittest[/u] (in that field). But when you are excluding people for their ethnicity, for example, that is [u]discrimination[/u]. And an unjust one I must add.
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Not that I disagree with your point, but something decided on someones skill is not discrimination. Some people so seek the fittest, as you say, it wouuld be discrimination if you exclude someone for something that has nothing to do with it.(for example being from another land in MD)

I remember applying to join the Guardians, Windy was my mentor. All I did was tel Windy why I wanted to join and stuff like that and she basically told me I was in. Of course, I decided not to join in the end.

Not saying this is normal for everyone, but this is what happened with me.

One thing that I do admire about the Guardians is that they do not intentionally try to break the rules of the realm. This wish point fiasco, in my opinion, has only been brought about as a big deal out of boredom. In all honest truth I would have this thread closed, so not to start anymore pointless arguments.

I don't agree with Sage in that she gave Kamisha a wish point, but what I do agree with is the kindness that Phantasm decided to show to someone who at least tries. Perhaps a wish point was not a proper gift, but it was a gift no less and I commend him for that.

Okay, let's look at this again.

The one that is supposed to be kept within the land only is the [i]codes[/i], which is totally fine. But to have the [i]WP[/i] itself be confined to a land only? That's discrimination, and while it might not be the king's purpose, it will end up being a path to stocking their citizens up with WP rather unfairly.

I really don't mind if the King's own quest (a.k.a. their [u]personal[/u] quest) be for the citizen only, after all, with RPCs there were also some kind of restrictions at times, and Kingship is undeniably a role, so I guess it'll be okay for kings to make land only quests.

But, what about other people? The WP codes should be given only to quest [u]creators [/u]of that land, but the WPs themselves should not! I don't see anywhere in the announcement that the WPs themselves should be confined to a certain land.

Talking about discrimination? Let's use a simple real world example. Suppose you want to get a job, of course there will be discrimination based on your [u]skills[/u]; those who have the skills more suitable for the job will undeniably get an advantage and be more likely to get hired. That's no discrimination: that's the law of nature, [u]survival of the fittest[/u] (in that field). But when you are excluding people for their ethnicity, for example, that is [u]discrimination[/u]. And an unjust one I must add.

I really don't mind if kings set up their own quest for their people, or if you don't have the time, commission another person to make one for you (but limit to 1 quest per say, 2 months, or else you'll just be "commissioning" every quest maker in your land and all quests will end up restricted to your land anyways). But really, I don't want to start seeing "regular" people making quests that are bound to a land only, or sponsors (be it kings or other WP sponsors) give advantage to people from a certain land.

Keep the [u]codes[/u] inside your land. Not the WP itself.

I think tokens should become more rare. Completly tokened creatures (exspecially drachorn's) have became face roll creatures, no matter what you do, you win anyway.

I feel like making the tokens more rare, let's say that all sort of creatures have a certain amount of tokens they can have, like 2 or 3, which should not be acuired easily. It now costs only md credits, let it cost huge amount of vitality, honour, silver or age.


let's say that you can buy a token only one every 20 days, this reduces the amount of tokens hugely, and if tokens also grow stronger over time, so let's say a good token gains his full potential only afther 100 days. this way someone with tokens is stronger, but takes longer and will be less tokenend.

ps: therefor I still think the power of tokens should be reduced, but that's an almost impossible unfair proces for everyone who bought tokens so far..

oowh: en there should be abilities that neglect tokens, creature or tokens, so that it does not always mean that the tokened side wins

I think tokens should become more rare. Completly tokened creatures (exspecially drachorn's) have became face roll creatures, no matter what you do, you win anyway.

I feel like making the tokens more rare, let's say that all sort of creatures have a certain amount of tokens they can have, like 2 or 3, which should not be acuired easily. It now costs only md credits, let it cost huge amount of vitality, honour, silver or age.


let's say that you can buy a token only one every 20 days, this reduces the amount of tokens hugely, and if tokens also grow stronger over time, so let's say a good token gains his full potential only afther 100 days. this way someone with tokens is stronger, but takes longer and will be less tokenend.

ps: therefor I still think the power of tokens should be reduced, but that's an almost impossible unfair proces for everyone who bought tokens so far..

oowh: en there should be abilities that neglect tokens, creature or tokens, so that it does not always mean that the tokened side wins

I think tokens should become more rare. Completly tokened creatures (exspecially drachorn's) have became face roll creatures, no matter what you do, you win anyway.

I feel like making the tokens more rare, let's say that all sort of creatures have a certain amount of tokens they can have, like 2 or 3, which should not be acuired easily. It now costs only md credits, let it cost huge amount of vitality, honour, silver or age.


let's say that you can buy a token only one every 20 days, this reduces the amount of tokens hugely, and if tokens also grow stronger over time, so let's say a good token gains his full potential only afther 100 days. this way someone with tokens is stronger, but takes longer and will be less tokenend.

ps: therefor I still think the power of tokens should be reduced, but that's an almost impossible unfair proces for everyone who bought tokens so far..

oowh: en there should be abilities that neglect tokens, creature or tokens, so that it does not always mean that the tokened side wins

I think tokens should become more rare. Completly tokened creatures (exspecially drachorn's) have became face roll creatures, no matter what you do, you win anyway.

I feel like making the tokens more rare, let's say that all sort of creatures have a certain amount of tokens they can have, like 2 or 3, which should not be acuired easily. It now costs only md credits, let it cost huge amount of vitality, honour, silver or age.


let's say that you can buy a token only one every 20 days, this reduces the amount of tokens hugely, and if tokens also grow stronger over time, so let's say a good token gains his full potential only afther 100 days. this way someone with tokens is stronger, but takes longer and will be less tokenend.

ps: therefor I still think the power of tokens should be reduced, but that's an almost impossible unfair proces for everyone who bought tokens so far..

oowh: en there should be abilities that neglect tokens, creature or tokens, so that it does not always mean that the tokened side wins

aawh, oke. and are they powerful, or special abilities.., or shouldw e just find out when we bought it?

what sort of 'shade, are you referring to?

[quote name='Rendril' date='25 February 2010 - 12:11 PM' timestamp='1267099916' post='55187']
If he [b]role played[/b] the theft then yes, you are correct that a role play punishment is in order.
However, the item(which performs a tangible effect) was actaully taken(once again, an action that affects the player account), how can a mere role play(an action that does not alter the account through game mechanics) punishment be suitable?

[b]I just mean, people keep on saying: he is a theft as roel play, so there is no reason to be mad, you could have known. well, our ways are also to get him punished( love to have the court here finally!). these give punishment, which have also effect in MD, that means that they fit in in the role playing of md. So I don't see the problem of punishing or not, he should always:)(even if it was his role). that's what I meant[/b]

It looks to me like you are saying that the discussion up until this message was done on the forum, is this the case? The rules clearly state that the forum is not for role play.
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none has won the discussion. Discussion is not about 'winning, but about sharing toughts and learn what other people think about it, or to get a compromise between two parties.