Roland

You have touched on a very personal note as I lost both my foster father, and younger brother within six months of each other. Both were exceptional men, and can say with confidence that I would be dead if not for their actions in my younger years. Both were also taken early from this world and had they lived would most likely have done so in a vegetative state. I have stared at this post for nearly an hour letting the question course through my veins, and if I were to be honest I would say that although their time in my life was short it was profound (not just for myself, but for many others), and would not have it any other way. I do not know if this answers your questions clearly, but felt compelled to post out of respect to those that lived true to their heart, but died in their prime.

REALLY? Cutler is the true victim in this mess. He is an asset to OUR community. Let's look at this another way. If Cutlers car was stolen (by Granos or Jaco...it does not matter really), his insurance would cover any damage (in this case Mur is the insurance), and he would recieve his vehicle back in the same condition before it was taken.

Let's not continue to abuse the victim.

first lol jester love the sig

Well i am back from being away and had a long think of this idea.
So if you are around Curiose we can talk and set a date and time
for a trial run. I have a few ideas that i would like to run by you
with regards the setup

so i finally agree to work with this idea and i get neg rep for it????

I appreciate the proactive response, but viscosity doesn't exist just yet.

Awi

As I said, this is a silly complaint that really has no basis on it -at all- other than:
Eon is finding me, and he is attacking my crits, etc etc etc.

And like myself AND OTHERS have stated previously:
He is a NICE person, who can actually help out if you bother TALKING to the man instead of making said ridiculous posts. He helps me plenty of times, and when he accidentally attacked me: HE APOLOGIZED. Now is that the making of a rude, nasty man who is only out there to terrorize people? Pffft. No.

For another thing, I know how to talk to people nicely, however, like I WILL SAY AGAIN:
when people make ridiculous responses that really are not based off of anything other than people playing by the rules of the game fairly, then I -will- defend that name of said friend/anyone else for that matter.

Now, go ahead and negative rep me because I know you all Loooooove doing that so much because I can stand up and say what I feel is right, even if blunt, but take a step back and take a look at the entire thing and ask yourself if maybe there -is- a bit of truth to what I say.

I am done.

My main goal is not to give you 1m personal experience a fight (your only getting 500-600k at a time, not 1m). If that was what i was trying to achieve then I would be using my angien/max bird ritual instead of my drach/angien ritual. The drachs are meant to wipe out your tree before my angien could get a hit on it. You started to use regen rits that lasted through my drach attacks which is why you were getting that high amount of experience.

If you haven't noticed, my angiens are not maxed. I am obviously working to get them maxed. Once my angiens are maxed I will go back to my old remain training.

I make sure to attack all players regardless how long it takes me to get to them.

Since I have moved up to mp5 I have gotten quite a few pm's from people kindly asking if i could stop attacking them with my angiens. If i have no previous problems with you and your polite then I will usually agree to stop attacking you with them.

Since I started attacking you back at the GoS I don't recall ever getting a pm from any of you asking me to stop. There were multiple times I saw people refer to me as the devil along with other names. That doesn't exactly get you on my good side.

This topic has only succeeded in annoying me. I will continue to train as I have been until my angiens are maxed.

No, I will not be replying to this topic again.

Obviously I can be rude, as can anyone.

But when people make ridiculous complaints over things like this? Of course I am going to be snappy.

And saying the truth, Manda? Your name is a bit more slandered than you think, what with the drach incident x2, and stealing Awii's can.

[There was a direct comment by Manda towards me, which is why I included him in my response.]

Allow me to make a rude comment here:

Pashweetie, if you had another brain, it would be lonely, plain and simple.

Why am I angry? Because Eon is a friend of mine, and in no way should be complained against. If you had bothered speaking to him in PM when he doesn't have them blocked, he IS a reasonable person, and he DOES follow through with requests, no matter how ridiculous*.

*I know this because:
I have asked him not to attack my Shroom, and the people at SN when they are presenting, and he has adhered to that, AND he has kept it in future events.

We're here for ya Roland, ever ya need anything within our powers as a community.

Personally, I have no problem with not being able to receive a Necro. wish point for a quest (there is a price to pay for becoming a rebel). I do however have an issue with citienship being removed (as it kind of defeats the purpose becomming a rebel).
I have posted the "rebel rules below* as a refresher:

[2010-11-11 02:42:40 - Stage 10]

King and Citizen rules update

Rebel Citizens - official way to protest against land leadership

Rebel status can be set from citizenship page on the right of the interface
To switch to rebel you need a certain number of days as active citizen within that land.
Rebel status changes your tag and description and they wont be reverted after. It is a sacrifice for your cause.
Player drops from current alliance but remain citizens of the land
[b]Rebels cannot get excommunicated but need to obey land official rules[/b]
No land loyalty is gained while a rebel
Rebel status is cleared when they join an alliance (tag and description are reset)
Kings will receive items to supress rebels from talking in chat but they wont be able to suppress groups
If the percentage of rebels gets to high (exact percentage to be announced later), their demands, including elections, will be heard
A dedicated page for official land rules and king specific rules will be made public for each land separately
Using alts to increase the number of rebels of a land will be punished
Kings now have 4 lives

Good Luck with your first quest Ras:)

Well I do not know exactly how to word this, as I never tried to explain it before...but I will try. When in college and confronted with a challenge, I would envision the question(s) and then begin to take a walk around my mind (literally around my brain). I guess you could almost call it a walk about:). My answers esp. in regards to math (not my strong suit), came to me shortly.

I also use this technique when facing demons from my past. As I drive down the road I envision myself being freed from my past regrets..they kind of fly out of the windows (does that make sense). It lead me to the following conclusion: You can't spend your life looking in the rear view mirror.


Neat question Z!

In my time at the park, I have noticed that a lot of younger MPs don't really know what a mp6 is, or who they are.
MP6 is a very unstable MP level in the sense that people can be MP6 for a week, and drop, or be at it for years. On either extreme, the list of Mp6 is always changing.

There can be a verbally given list, but that is either prone to:
a. forgetting
b. being cleared before being read [depending on how busy the chat is]
c. being eaten by PMs [if given there]
d. the list changing.

It's also not very obvious that anyone is MP6 unless you click on their names, or look at the black and orange dots. But the dots are small, and easily overlooked. I don't know if people bother looking at people's names often to see what MP level they are.

It would be a lot easier for MP3s and Mp4s to figure out who the protectors are, if there was a symbol of sorts next to their names so as to notify who they are, like the LHOs and how the RPCs were shown.

The next best solution that I can think of, would be to put a button on the interface somewhere, [maybe daily progress? A new option at the top of the screen? A clickie?] for people to see it, which can easily be updated and visible for everyone to see.

Thoughts, suggestions?

there has already been a discussion here where someone suggested that there should be a list for mp6's and you can click their name and be their protector.

The general consensus of this thread was that this was lazy and against what MP6 means. The fact that you are meant to have a rapport with this person. It means that for you to someones protector you need to know them, through their activly recruiting people.

If mp3's dont know what mp6 is then this merely shows that currently they are not broadcasting what it is, and their protectorship very well.

As Udgard said it is relatively problematic changing the name as you can never be sure if you have dropped or not, having to try both variants.

My personal belief, as i believe it was the general trend in the previous topic. Is that if you are so unknown that people dont know what mp6 is, or that no one has followed you. You are not trying hard enough to get worshippers and such.

I still remember back when i was mp3, there was time when others don't even care to reply mails But u even being a king was kind enough to reply me and helped others noobs when needed the most. Ur military page was very helpfull, those who had read ur military page r luckly ones. iam one amoung those who joined MB cos u were there. My Lord, I would kindly request u not to leave MD, even thou my rank is low to give u advise but still i feel there is lot more that can be done even without having a king Tag.
Kings/queens come and go but King lifeline will remain forever in the hearts of all MB citizens.
The Void left by u Can't never be replaced.

As the title says, I am selling most of my army. Offer will stand till they all/most get sold. Once I am satisfied with a bid, then the creature will be sold.

Accepting only coins, silver or gold.

Age is as of day 335.
The list:
[s][b]
1. Imperial Aramor[/b][/s] - [color="#FF0000"]Sold for: 2 sc[/color]
Age: 269
Tokens: Onyxfangs
[s][b]2. Bird[/b][/s] - [color="#FF0000"]Sold for: 3 sc[/color]
Age: 672
Tokens: Jewelshards
[s][b]3. Imperial Aramor[/b][/s] - [color="#FF0000"]Sold [/color]
Age: 682
Tokens: ClawII, Emeraldglare, Blackdiamonds, Stardust
[s][b]4. Bloodpact[/b][/s] - [color="#FF0000"]Sold for: 1 gc and 7sc[/color]
Age: 378
Tokens: ClawI, ClawII, Stardust, Antifreeze, Darkshield, Blackdiamonds,
[s][b]5. Imperial Aramor[/b][/s] - [color="#FF0000"]Sold[/color]
Age: 311
Tokens: ClawI, ClawIII, Emeraldglare, Stardust, Osirisbelt
[s][b]6. Angien[/b][/s] - [color="#FF0000"]Sold for: 1gc[/color]
Age: 549
Tokens: ClawII, Stardust, Blacktear
[s][b]7. Angien[/b][/s] - [color="#FF0000"]Sold for: 4 sc[/color]
Age: 136
Tokens: ClawI, Kellethafire, Jewelshards, Onyxfangs
[s][b]8. Nutcracker[/b][/s] - [color="#FF0000"]Sold for: 2gc and 5sc[/color]
Age: 354
[s][b]9. Lorerootian Archer[/b][/s] - [color="#FF0000"]Sold for: 3 sc[/color]
Age: 342
Tokens: Onyxfangs
[s][b]10. Marksman[/b][/s] - [color="#FF0000"]Sold for: 16 sc[/color]
Age: 85
[s][b]11. Pimped Grasan[/b][/s] - [color="#FF0000"]Sold for: 4 sc[/color]
Age: 71
[s][b]12. Pimped Grasan[/b][/s] -[color="#FF0000"]Sold for: 3 sc[/color]
Age: 71
[s][b]13. Unholy Priest[/b][/s] -[color="#FF0000"]Sold for: 3 sc[/color]
Age: 249
[b]14. Lorerootian Archer[/b] -[color="#FF0000"]Current offer: 1 sc[/color](Chewett)
Age: 599
[s][b]15. Bird[/b][/s] -[color="#FF0000"]Sold for: 1gc[/color]
Age: 633
[s][b]16. Water being[/b][/s] -[color="#FF0000"]Sold for: 3 sc[/color]
Age: 355
[s][b]17. Water being[/b][/s] -[color="#FF0000"]Sold for: 2 sc[/color]
Age: 355
[s][b]18. Water being[/b][/s] -[color="#FF0000"]Sold for: 2 sc[/color]
Age: 342
[s][b]19. Elemental[/b][/s] -[color="#FF0000"]Sold for: 5 sc[/color]
Age: 355
[s][b]20. Elemental[/b][/s] -[color="#FF0000"]Sold for: 5 sc[/color]
Age: 355
[s][b]21. Elemental[/b][/s] -[color="#FF0000"]Sold for: 2 sc[/color]
Age: 355

My Mother told me the following when I was still small...

"I met the Rajj, your Father, during a time when he would spend day and night in front of the Howling Gates, either meditating, or telling stories to those who wished to learn. I was drawn to him by his stories, I would spend countless hours lingering near him, hoping to hear more of what he have to say. Then came the prophecy..."

My Mother had memorised the words of the prophecy, and repeated them to me, but I can no longer recall what they were. In anycase, it was how her life became bound to my Father's.

"One I will enslave, he had said... who else could he have meant, except me, who is already a slave? There were some drama before the Rajj chose his wives, but they seem insignificant now. I do not know exactly how long I served him, sitting by him day and night in front of the Howling Gates. I watched him tell stories, and I even repeated some of them myself. All seemed well, but I could tell he was becoming troubled. A burden was slowly being placed on him one which he did not comunicate to me. Then one day I followed and watched him as he went into Necrovion, claimed it all as his own, and crowning himself 'Rajj'. Thus came the Desert."

Now that I think about it, such a fantasy was so easily created, and passed on... Even to this day I could not forget the Desert. But, back to my Mother's story...

"The Desert flurished, the Rajj came to adopt the ritual of washing himself with sand. It was also a great pleasure when he would allow me to perform the ritual for him. It was also not long before he started talking of Heirs, and was also Crowned by the Shades as the First King. In fact, it was the first Crown in all of the lands. Three children he adopted... Marvolo, Peace, and Malichi."

I suppose at this point, my Dear Sister, Peace, and Brother Marvolo could each tell their stories... My Mother never told me what happened to Malichi. However, she did tell me how I came to be...

"I do not know why the Rajj desired further children, were the adopted ones not enought to fullfill the prophecy? Nonetheless, he wanted children from the womb of his wives, and so I obeyed. And in time, you came into the world, my Dear Rask, named after a famous man from my old world."

Unfortunately, I never knew my Father. It seemed that he had disappeared into his Desert before I was born. My Mother have always spoke fondly of the Desert, and my Father, but, she could not hide the sorrow in her voice...

"Life went on in front of the Howling Gates. I continue to sit at the Gate to the Desert, and it is now I who tells the Rajj's stories. As I watched my belly swell and felt your strength growing inside me, I wondered... He told me to live, and so I do... But what do I live for, when the man who owns me no longer calls my name? I think, he had wanted one of us to take his place, to bear the crown... His three wives, three adopted children, and two babes yet to be born... Yet, he left us too soon, I don't think any of us were ready..."

Often would my Mother talk of the hopes she had for me. She said that while she was a woman and a slave, born to serve and obey, I would be a man and raised to be a ruler. She told me that she wanted me to be as a wild beast, unrestrained, independant, and proud of my own strength... Sometimes I wonder if she regrets raising me the way she did... For I left her, when I saw the way she would stare at the sky, waiting to die, I left her, to find my Father's Desert.

I will not speak much of the time I spent in the Desert, challenging the merciless sands. It is enough that I survived, and stood again at the Howling Gates. It was to my dismay that I saw the land my Mother so loved fall into desolation, with a neglectful King holding the crown, and the people milling about as an abandoned herd. And so I declared my presence, and began my quest. I still labour toward the same goal now, as I sit in front of the Howling Gates, as my Father did, and as my Mother did.

Much have happened since my arrival, but I believe those are not my story to tell...

Jester, again, as King you should be thoroughly reading and knowing what is in the announcements, as Mur has already stated that alts cannot be rebels- he has also stated this in the forum. Where have you been?

From Mur's announcement, dated November 11, 2010:
"Using alts to increase the number of rebels of a land will be punished"



If you have time to complain on the forums, Jester, please at least fix the Necrovion Land Laws page.

I thought the following article was incredibly interesting. WARNING: A VERY LONG READ:)

Many many preachers will spend a lot of time talking about the meaning of the cross but rarely put the emphasis where emphasis is due. The church by and large is missing the point about the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Theology is the study of God. But there is a huge difference between a theologian and a pop theologian. Pop stand for Popular. Pop music is music for the day. It is popular today but doesn’t last very long. Pop theologians haven’t done much study of the word of God but are more given to experiences, and teaching which usually deal more with anecdotes and stories and cute little sayings, than solid Scriptural teachings.

If someone tell you that the church, by and large, has missed the meaning of the cross, the first thing you need to ask them is this.. Why do you say that? The answer better be this.. Not only have I found these things in the Bible, but history backs me up.

When someone teaches or preaches about the meaning of the Cross what is it you usually hear? Physical suffering. They will go in to much detail about the terrible whipping and the crown of thorns, How the nails went through a certain part of the hand in order to support the body. How Jesus had to push himself up to get a lungful of air (Crucifixion caused you to die of suffocation). They talk about the Roman soldier thrusting the spear into Jesus’ side and the water and blood flowing out of His side. And then they will tell you “by this we are saved”.

Which should bring up the question of how it is possible that the physical suffering of Jesus, caused by men, somehow paid the penalty for our sins. It can not possibly work that way. How can our sins be paid for because the Romans and Jews rejected Jesus? Because they whipped and flogged Him?

God sent his son who lived a perfect life and then, according to the plan of God, they rejected Him, whipped Him etc and God looked at all Jesus’ suffering at the hands of men and considered that to be payment for all our sins against Him.

That is heresy. The deepest form of heresy. You can be wrong about a lot of things but if you are wrong about the cross you are in trouble.


So what happened on that cross to cause God to forgive us of our sins? The first question is why was it necessary that God in the flesh come to earth and die. Why cant God just forgive us?

Pro 17:15 He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the righteous, Both of them alike are an abomination to Jehovah.

Read that carefully .. He who justifies the wicked is an abomination to the Lord.

So much of what you hear today, so many of the songs sung today are about God justifying the wicked. God justified us while were still sinners, he declared us to be right before Him and we praise God for that.

God‘s word says that if anyone declares the sinner to be right when he is not right is an abomination before Him. So if God declared you to be right when you were not right, If God simply forgives the wicked, He would become an abomination, according to His own word. He would become wicked. Imagine a judge sitting up there in his place on the bench, forgiving a murderer and letting him go. He would no longer be a just judge.

God is a just judge and God justice demands he throw men in hell

Therefore if God is a just God He cannot forgive… He must punish the wicked, That is the point of the whole Bible. All through the Old Testament we see animals dying.. it is symbol and type of the final and ultimate sacrifice.

Perhaps it is becoming a little more clear as to why God had to die. If he justifies the wicked person and declares the sinner to be righteous He, according to His own word, becomes an abomination. God can not simply forgive.

The law… God law demands that the sinner has to die.

God simply cannot wink at it and say ‘okay we will let him slide this time’

If HE does that HE is will be wrong, He will be unjust and contrary to His own Word. Remember what happened to Satan when he rebelled against God. He was swiftly thrown out of Heaven.. So if God were to simply forgive men’s sins, Satan would probably lose no time reminding God of His unfairness… Perhaps a conversation like this would take place…

Remember when we sinned against you . You were just then weren’t you? Cast all of us out of Heaven. These men sin against you and You let them go. Guess you are more like me than you know.

See the problem?

Now the only way that God can forgive sinful men is if God who made the law and God who demands satisfaction .. comes down Himself and pays the penalty.

The ONLY way the law of God can be satisfied is BY God.

This is what makes the doctrine of the Jehovah’s witnesses so blasphemous. They say that when the world fell, God created an innocent being and took this innocent being and put him on a cross to die and fix the problem. But that is not what happened . Jesus was not a created being. He is God.

If Jesus is not God, then sit and weep because everyone is going to hell.. What was done on that cross.. two thousand years ago on a blood soaked hill called Calvary, was not enough.

God made the law, God has to satisfy the law. It has to be God. Only HE can pay the price. God, in order to forgive the wicked and still be just, has to DIE in the place of the wicked. This is the ONLY way He can forgive.

SO how does He die. What is it about the Son of God’s death that leads to our forgiveness? How does His death satisfy the law?

When some one says they have been saved, the question to be asked is saved from what? Many people will say from sin. This is simply not true! Sin was an act you did. Sin isn’t going to throw you in hell. You have sinned, but sin is not a living being that going to judge you then throw you into hell.

What you have been saved from is not a what, it is a who.

Much more then, being now justified by his blood, shall we be saved from the wrath of God through him. Romans 5:9. [Emphasis Added]

You have been saved from God. God is the judge of all the universe. YOU have sinned and made yourself an enemy of God. So when you stand before Him, He will judge you and throw you into hell.




InPlainSite.org Note: However Romans 5:9 (quoted above) has a curious anomaly. It states that since we have been justified by His blood (past tense), we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him (future tense). This is a common occurrence in the New Testament which too many Christians seem to gloss over .. to their peril. The New Testament sometimes says that salvation is an accomplished reality, and at other times says it is still in the future, a seeming contradiction that is not limited to salvation alone. So what is the answer? Can we be assured we have salvation now, or is it something we have to strive and hope for. Have we already been adopted as sons, or are we eagerly waiting for this adoption? Are we righteous now, or is it yet a distant hope? For those who are actually interested in what the Bible says on the subject… as opposed to what parents, pastors, friends, or denomination may have taught, the answer to all of the above questions is .. BOTH. Christ’s sacrifice on Calvary was but the first half of the process, with the second phase still in the future. Complete deliverance will not be realized until Christ puts away sin at the end of the ages, when He (Jesus) will appear “before the face of God for us”. [Hebrews 9: 26]. But to properly understand that concept requires a more complete understanding of the atonement, for which we have to turn to the Old Testament. See The Two Phase Atonement






A lot of people today, seem to believe that God will not throw anyone into hell. It is entirely possible that their theology comes from the back of a Christian T-shirt or bumper sticker, because it is not in the Bible.

Jesus said…

But I will show you whom you should fear: fear Him who after He kills, has authority to cast into hell; yes, I say to you, fear Him! Luke 12:4-5. (Emphasis Added).

This God of ours is not politically correct.

Have you ever heard the term enemy of God?

Ye adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? Whosoever therefore would be a friend of the world maketh himself an enemy of God. James 4:4

Contemporary Christianity interprets it differently from historical Christianity. Preachers today will often tell us that when the Bible uses the expression ‘enemy of God’, it means when WE were in rebellion against God, WE were against God. What it doesn’t mean is that God was ever against us, that God was our enemy. We are holding a gun against God and He wants us to put it down so we can become friends.

This is simply not true. All throughout historical Christianity, when it says ‘Enemy of God’ it means.. Not only are you God’s enemy holding your gun on Him, God was your enemy holding His gun on you. You put your gun down.. all well and good, but He still has his sights trained on you. You are a criminal, you have broken the law and you deserve to die. You can surrender and put your gun down but you are still going to die. Not only are you still His enemy, He is your enemy.

And yes, it does say in the Bible that God loves us.. But We tend to assume at once that "love" means what it does to us in modern times -- in this case, a mushy sentimentality that never says a harsh word and never steps on the toes of others. but conceptually, it is certainly possible to love one's enemies, and yet also attack them; and the same for one's disciples or allies. Never forget that Jesus calls the Pharisees names, and Peter "Satan"? Paul wished emasculation on his Galatian opponents (Gal. 5) and shames the Galatians with his rhetoric? See What is "Agape" and How Did It Work?

God says things in the Bible like I will hate them, I will come against them, I will fight them. I will raise up a standard. This God of the 21st century is a lot different from the Bible alone and a lot different from the one that has been preached for the last 2000 years.

Consider these verses (among many others) from Nahum and Jeremiah and Micah and Paul..

Jehovah is a jealous God and avengeth; Jehovah avengeth and is full of wrath; Jehovah taketh vengeance on his adversaries, and he reserveth wrath for his enemies. Nahum 1:2 .

And I myself will fight against you with an outstretched hand and with a strong arm, even in anger, and in wrath, and in great indignation. [Jeremiah 21:]

And I will execute vengeance in anger and wrath upon the nations which hearkened not. [Micah 5:15]

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hinder the truth in unrighteousness; [Romans 1:18 ]

Then shall Jehovah go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. [Zechariah 14:3 ]

Remember what Amos said

“… prepare to meet thy God, O Israel. [Amos 4:12]

The Book of Revelation tells us

and they say to the mountains and to the rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: for the great day of their wrath is come; and who is able to stand? [Revelation 6:16-17]

He is not coming back with an apologetic look saying “I wanted to save you but I am sorry but now you are just going to have to go to hell”. No.. He is coming back sword in hand, in fury, to fight someone.

See The Wrath of God

The problem you have to see is here is punishment. We have broken God’s law and deserve to be punished. But from where does that punishment come? We have grown up being told that if you sin and something happens to you, that is not God but natural consequences similar to the law of gravity. Jump off the roof and you are going to get hurt. You sin and you are going to get hurt. It’s not God doing it, it’s just the way thing are. This is not true. God talks all the time of coming in judgment against people’s sin. Constantly. Read the Bible.

And I will set my face against them; they shall go forth from the fire, but the fire shall devour them; and ye shall know that I am Jehovah, when I set my face against them. [Ezekiel 15:7 ]

Therefore thus saith Jehovah of hosts, the God of Israel: Behold, I will set my face against you for evil, even to cut off all Judah. [Jeremiah 44:11]

And the soul that turneth unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto the wizards, to play the harlot after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people. [Leviticus 20:6]

So we realize we have to be saved from God and His punishment, but how is that punishment to be done away with? When Jesus was dying on the cross it was not the nails in His hand, or the crown of thorns or the Roman spears that save you. The suffering that men heaped upon Jesus is not that which pays for the crime. God did not look on that suffering and okay Good Enough!. What paid for your sin is written in Isaiah 53:10 and 12

Yet it pleased Jehovah to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of Jehovah shall prosper in his hand.

Usually when you hear a sermon or preaching on Isaiah 53, it usually centers around verses 3,4,5, and six, which talk about the suffering heaped on Jesus by men. Very rarely do you hear about Isaiah 53:10.

It pleased the Lord to crush Him.

Isaiah goes on to say

"...[He] was numbered with the transgressors; Yet He Himself bore the sin of many, And interceded for the transgressors." (Isaiah 53:12)

How is it that that cross saves you? Because Jesus bore on the cross all the sin that God hates. The sin of all God’s people, from the first man ever saved on the face of the earth to the last man ever saved on the face of the earth was placed on His son.. the sins of all of God’s people. Everything that should be poured out on sinful creatures through out eternity, God throws down on His only begotten Son in a matter of moments. Crushes Him under the weight of His own justice.

Would you kill your son for someone? I am sorry .. I couldn’t. Yet God takes His perfectly innocent son and crushed Him under the weight of His own justice.

When Jesus said let this cup pass from me, people think it because He did not want to go to the cross. They usually imagine it was the physical agony that He did not want to go through. Consider this… There have been martyrs who have been burned at the stake and while they were burning they have lifted their hands and praised God. Does anyone imagine they are greater than our Lord Jesus? There have been Christians who have been crucified, burned, fed to the lions and many of those sang out with joy while the nails were being pounded in. Are any of them greater than Our Lord Jesus? Is it conceivable that Jesus would cower from a punishment that even some of His followers were able to endure with fortitude and praise. Is Jesus is weaker than them?

No, Jesus wasn’t thinking about nails in His hand, about spears and crowns of thorns or Roman soldiers. He was thinking about the fact that He had never been out of the Father’s bosom. That He had never been separated from His Father and now the Father was about to turn His face away from His Son. The Father did not turn His face away because He did not want to see His son suffering, He turned His face away Because His son had become detestable. Which is why Matthew 27:46 tells us..

"About the ninth hour [3:00 PM] Jesus cried out [quoting Psalm 22:1] with a loud voice, saying, 'Eli, Eli, Lama sabachthani?' that is 'My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?'"

You and I deserved to be crushed with the hammer of justice, to be crushed under God’s wrath. But in order to save us He was crushed under His own wrath. That is what the Cross is. That is what it means. If you ever fully realize what happened that day, it will affect you for the rest of your life. You will never be able to get away from it.

And if the day comes that you stand before this Holy God who is about to pass judgment on you without having your sins paid for by His Son, then be afraid, be very afraid, as the wrath which made Jesus say ‘let this cup pass from me’ is about to descend on your shoulders.

Remember that when you hear about Jesus dying for you, you know now that it is more than just some whips. While one cannot possibly depreciate the physical suffering it was nothing compared to the Son of God being crushed by His own Father. Comparatively those whips were nothing. And when He cried out “It is Finished” that meant ‘Paid In Full’. If you are a Christian, God can never pour out His wrath on you. It is impossible because His son drank it. It does not exist anymore. There is no more punishment left for you.

Why did Jesus die on a Roman cross? He died for the sins of ungodly mankind, to save us from the wrath of God, and to make peace between us and God. "Therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ..." (Romans 5:1).

But yet you have the opportunity to flee from the wrath that is to come.

I would say that God does indeed have emotions:)

I thought the following article was incredibly interesting. WARNING: A VERY LONG READ:)

Many many preachers will spend a lot of time talking about the meaning of the cross but rarely put the emphasis where emphasis is due. The church by and large is missing the point about the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Theology is the study of God. But there is a huge difference between a theologian and a pop theologian. Pop stand for Popular. Pop music is music for the day. It is popular today but doesn’t last very long. Pop theologians haven’t done much study of the word of God but are more given to experiences, and teaching which usually deal more with anecdotes and stories and cute little sayings, than solid Scriptural teachings.

If someone tell you that the church, by and large, has missed the meaning of the cross, the first thing you need to ask them is this.. Why do you say that? The answer better be this.. Not only have I found these things in the Bible, but history backs me up.

When someone teaches or preaches about the meaning of the Cross what is it you usually hear? Physical suffering. They will go in to much detail about the terrible whipping and the crown of thorns, How the nails went through a certain part of the hand in order to support the body. How Jesus had to push himself up to get a lungful of air (Crucifixion caused you to die of suffocation). They talk about the Roman soldier thrusting the spear into Jesus’ side and the water and blood flowing out of His side. And then they will tell you “by this we are saved”.

Which should bring up the question of how it is possible that the physical suffering of Jesus, caused by men, somehow paid the penalty for our sins. It can not possibly work that way. How can our sins be paid for because the Romans and Jews rejected Jesus? Because they whipped and flogged Him?

God sent his son who lived a perfect life and then, according to the plan of God, they rejected Him, whipped Him etc and God looked at all Jesus’ suffering at the hands of men and considered that to be payment for all our sins against Him.

That is heresy. The deepest form of heresy. You can be wrong about a lot of things but if you are wrong about the cross you are in trouble.


So what happened on that cross to cause God to forgive us of our sins? The first question is why was it necessary that God in the flesh come to earth and die. Why cant God just forgive us?

Pro 17:15 He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the righteous, Both of them alike are an abomination to Jehovah.

Read that carefully .. He who justifies the wicked is an abomination to the Lord.

So much of what you hear today, so many of the songs sung today are about God justifying the wicked. God justified us while were still sinners, he declared us to be right before Him and we praise God for that.

God‘s word says that if anyone declares the sinner to be right when he is not right is an abomination before Him. So if God declared you to be right when you were not right, If God simply forgives the wicked, He would become an abomination, according to His own word. He would become wicked. Imagine a judge sitting up there in his place on the bench, forgiving a murderer and letting him go. He would no longer be a just judge.

God is a just judge and God justice demands he throw men in hell

Therefore if God is a just God He cannot forgive… He must punish the wicked, That is the point of the whole Bible. All through the Old Testament we see animals dying.. it is symbol and type of the final and ultimate sacrifice.

Perhaps it is becoming a little more clear as to why God had to die. If he justifies the wicked person and declares the sinner to be righteous He, according to His own word, becomes an abomination. God can not simply forgive.

The law… God law demands that the sinner has to die.

God simply cannot wink at it and say ‘okay we will let him slide this time’

If HE does that HE is will be wrong, He will be unjust and contrary to His own Word. Remember what happened to Satan when he rebelled against God. He was swiftly thrown out of Heaven.. So if God were to simply forgive men’s sins, Satan would probably lose no time reminding God of His unfairness… Perhaps a conversation like this would take place…

Remember when we sinned against you . You were just then weren’t you? Cast all of us out of Heaven. These men sin against you and You let them go. Guess you are more like me than you know.

See the problem?

Now the only way that God can forgive sinful men is if God who made the law and God who demands satisfaction .. comes down Himself and pays the penalty.

The ONLY way the law of God can be satisfied is BY God.

This is what makes the doctrine of the Jehovah’s witnesses so blasphemous. They say that when the world fell, God created an innocent being and took this innocent being and put him on a cross to die and fix the problem. But that is not what happened . Jesus was not a created being. He is God.

If Jesus is not God, then sit and weep because everyone is going to hell.. What was done on that cross.. two thousand years ago on a blood soaked hill called Calvary, was not enough.

God made the law, God has to satisfy the law. It has to be God. Only HE can pay the price. God, in order to forgive the wicked and still be just, has to DIE in the place of the wicked. This is the ONLY way He can forgive.

SO how does He die. What is it about the Son of God’s death that leads to our forgiveness? How does His death satisfy the law?

When some one says they have been saved, the question to be asked is saved from what? Many people will say from sin. This is simply not true! Sin was an act you did. Sin isn’t going to throw you in hell. You have sinned, but sin is not a living being that going to judge you then throw you into hell.

What you have been saved from is not a what, it is a who.

Much more then, being now justified by his blood, shall we be saved from the wrath of God through him. Romans 5:9. [Emphasis Added]

You have been saved from God. God is the judge of all the universe. YOU have sinned and made yourself an enemy of God. So when you stand before Him, He will judge you and throw you into hell.




InPlainSite.org Note: However Romans 5:9 (quoted above) has a curious anomaly. It states that since we have been justified by His blood (past tense), we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him (future tense). This is a common occurrence in the New Testament which too many Christians seem to gloss over .. to their peril. The New Testament sometimes says that salvation is an accomplished reality, and at other times says it is still in the future, a seeming contradiction that is not limited to salvation alone. So what is the answer? Can we be assured we have salvation now, or is it something we have to strive and hope for. Have we already been adopted as sons, or are we eagerly waiting for this adoption? Are we righteous now, or is it yet a distant hope? For those who are actually interested in what the Bible says on the subject… as opposed to what parents, pastors, friends, or denomination may have taught, the answer to all of the above questions is .. BOTH. Christ’s sacrifice on Calvary was but the first half of the process, with the second phase still in the future. Complete deliverance will not be realized until Christ puts away sin at the end of the ages, when He (Jesus) will appear “before the face of God for us”. [Hebrews 9: 26]. But to properly understand that concept requires a more complete understanding of the atonement, for which we have to turn to the Old Testament. See The Two Phase Atonement






A lot of people today, seem to believe that God will not throw anyone into hell. It is entirely possible that their theology comes from the back of a Christian T-shirt or bumper sticker, because it is not in the Bible.

Jesus said…

But I will show you whom you should fear: fear Him who after He kills, has authority to cast into hell; yes, I say to you, fear Him! Luke 12:4-5. (Emphasis Added).

This God of ours is not politically correct.

Have you ever heard the term enemy of God?

Ye adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? Whosoever therefore would be a friend of the world maketh himself an enemy of God. James 4:4

Contemporary Christianity interprets it differently from historical Christianity. Preachers today will often tell us that when the Bible uses the expression ‘enemy of God’, it means when WE were in rebellion against God, WE were against God. What it doesn’t mean is that God was ever against us, that God was our enemy. We are holding a gun against God and He wants us to put it down so we can become friends.

This is simply not true. All throughout historical Christianity, when it says ‘Enemy of God’ it means.. Not only are you God’s enemy holding your gun on Him, God was your enemy holding His gun on you. You put your gun down.. all well and good, but He still has his sights trained on you. You are a criminal, you have broken the law and you deserve to die. You can surrender and put your gun down but you are still going to die. Not only are you still His enemy, He is your enemy.

And yes, it does say in the Bible that God loves us.. But We tend to assume at once that "love" means what it does to us in modern times -- in this case, a mushy sentimentality that never says a harsh word and never steps on the toes of others. but conceptually, it is certainly possible to love one's enemies, and yet also attack them; and the same for one's disciples or allies. Never forget that Jesus calls the Pharisees names, and Peter "Satan"? Paul wished emasculation on his Galatian opponents (Gal. 5) and shames the Galatians with his rhetoric? See What is "Agape" and How Did It Work?

God says things in the Bible like I will hate them, I will come against them, I will fight them. I will raise up a standard. This God of the 21st century is a lot different from the Bible alone and a lot different from the one that has been preached for the last 2000 years.

Consider these verses (among many others) from Nahum and Jeremiah and Micah and Paul..

Jehovah is a jealous God and avengeth; Jehovah avengeth and is full of wrath; Jehovah taketh vengeance on his adversaries, and he reserveth wrath for his enemies. Nahum 1:2 .

And I myself will fight against you with an outstretched hand and with a strong arm, even in anger, and in wrath, and in great indignation. [Jeremiah 21:]

And I will execute vengeance in anger and wrath upon the nations which hearkened not. [Micah 5:15]

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hinder the truth in unrighteousness; [Romans 1:18 ]

Then shall Jehovah go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. [Zechariah 14:3 ]

Remember what Amos said

“… prepare to meet thy God, O Israel. [Amos 4:12]

The Book of Revelation tells us

and they say to the mountains and to the rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: for the great day of their wrath is come; and who is able to stand? [Revelation 6:16-17]

He is not coming back with an apologetic look saying “I wanted to save you but I am sorry but now you are just going to have to go to hell”. No.. He is coming back sword in hand, in fury, to fight someone.

See The Wrath of God

The problem you have to see is here is punishment. We have broken God’s law and deserve to be punished. But from where does that punishment come? We have grown up being told that if you sin and something happens to you, that is not God but natural consequences similar to the law of gravity. Jump off the roof and you are going to get hurt. You sin and you are going to get hurt. It’s not God doing it, it’s just the way thing are. This is not true. God talks all the time of coming in judgment against people’s sin. Constantly. Read the Bible.

And I will set my face against them; they shall go forth from the fire, but the fire shall devour them; and ye shall know that I am Jehovah, when I set my face against them. [Ezekiel 15:7 ]

Therefore thus saith Jehovah of hosts, the God of Israel: Behold, I will set my face against you for evil, even to cut off all Judah. [Jeremiah 44:11]

And the soul that turneth unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto the wizards, to play the harlot after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people. [Leviticus 20:6]

So we realize we have to be saved from God and His punishment, but how is that punishment to be done away with? When Jesus was dying on the cross it was not the nails in His hand, or the crown of thorns or the Roman spears that save you. The suffering that men heaped upon Jesus is not that which pays for the crime. God did not look on that suffering and okay Good Enough!. What paid for your sin is written in Isaiah 53:10 and 12

Yet it pleased Jehovah to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of Jehovah shall prosper in his hand.

Usually when you hear a sermon or preaching on Isaiah 53, it usually centers around verses 3,4,5, and six, which talk about the suffering heaped on Jesus by men. Very rarely do you hear about Isaiah 53:10.

It pleased the Lord to crush Him.

Isaiah goes on to say

"...[He] was numbered with the transgressors; Yet He Himself bore the sin of many, And interceded for the transgressors." (Isaiah 53:12)

How is it that that cross saves you? Because Jesus bore on the cross all the sin that God hates. The sin of all God’s people, from the first man ever saved on the face of the earth to the last man ever saved on the face of the earth was placed on His son.. the sins of all of God’s people. Everything that should be poured out on sinful creatures through out eternity, God throws down on His only begotten Son in a matter of moments. Crushes Him under the weight of His own justice.

Would you kill your son for someone? I am sorry .. I couldn’t. Yet God takes His perfectly innocent son and crushed Him under the weight of His own justice.

When Jesus said let this cup pass from me, people think it because He did not want to go to the cross. They usually imagine it was the physical agony that He did not want to go through. Consider this… There have been martyrs who have been burned at the stake and while they were burning they have lifted their hands and praised God. Does anyone imagine they are greater than our Lord Jesus? There have been Christians who have been crucified, burned, fed to the lions and many of those sang out with joy while the nails were being pounded in. Are any of them greater than Our Lord Jesus? Is it conceivable that Jesus would cower from a punishment that even some of His followers were able to endure with fortitude and praise. Is Jesus is weaker than them?

No, Jesus wasn’t thinking about nails in His hand, about spears and crowns of thorns or Roman soldiers. He was thinking about the fact that He had never been out of the Father’s bosom. That He had never been separated from His Father and now the Father was about to turn His face away from His Son. The Father did not turn His face away because He did not want to see His son suffering, He turned His face away Because His son had become detestable. Which is why Matthew 27:46 tells us..

"About the ninth hour [3:00 PM] Jesus cried out [quoting Psalm 22:1] with a loud voice, saying, 'Eli, Eli, Lama sabachthani?' that is 'My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?'"

You and I deserved to be crushed with the hammer of justice, to be crushed under God’s wrath. But in order to save us He was crushed under His own wrath. That is what the Cross is. That is what it means. If you ever fully realize what happened that day, it will affect you for the rest of your life. You will never be able to get away from it.

And if the day comes that you stand before this Holy God who is about to pass judgment on you without having your sins paid for by His Son, then be afraid, be very afraid, as the wrath which made Jesus say ‘let this cup pass from me’ is about to descend on your shoulders.

Remember that when you hear about Jesus dying for you, you know now that it is more than just some whips. While one cannot possibly depreciate the physical suffering it was nothing compared to the Son of God being crushed by His own Father. Comparatively those whips were nothing. And when He cried out “It is Finished” that meant ‘Paid In Full’. If you are a Christian, God can never pour out His wrath on you. It is impossible because His son drank it. It does not exist anymore. There is no more punishment left for you.

Why did Jesus die on a Roman cross? He died for the sins of ungodly mankind, to save us from the wrath of God, and to make peace between us and God. "Therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ..." (Romans 5:1).

But yet you have the opportunity to flee from the wrath that is to come.

I would say that God does indeed have emotions:)

Yeah like it's a mystery who the cat is. To be honest I prefer names. It shows guts and bravery. But hey! That's just me.

Rask purposefully ignored the rules I had set for the Land and was actively working against me. He was invited into Necrovion out of my respect for Khalazdad even though he made very clear his plans to take over the Crown. He spent the majority of his time teaching people about the Desert and telling people I was not worthy to rule Necrovion, even though those were both against my laws.
I told him not to insult my reign in public and not to refer to Necrovion as a Desert, and the next day caught him telling new players that inside the Howling Gates was the Desert and trying to educate them about it. While he did not say that Necrovion was a Desert, telling people that asked about Necrovion about the Desert instead is tantamount to the same thing. I very clearly stated that if he continued I would take action against him, and he responded that I should stop talking and just do it already, and insulted my reign once more. Since this was not the attitude of someone who was going to change their ways, I did as he asked and exiled him.

OK the first two quotes relate to the third one. Necrocron being ruled by jester does make it jesters land. I truly beleve that a land is defined by its ruler. Regardless of who rose novocron out of the ocean it does not matter who they are as they dont have control of it. For example if I where to buy an xbox and I don't use it but lets say my brother where to use it. I own it but I no longer define the games it plays or the time that its used. I simply have lost control in essence it is no longer mine.

Likewise necrocron is no longer the wizards it is now jesters.

Ok as for betrayal. Regardless of what jester did you are still betraying him plain and simple. An eye for an eye does not makes both of you equal but you still end up as two half blind people. Neither of you are getting that eye back plain and simple. Two wrongs don't make a wright would be a nice way to put it. You both decided to betray each other plain and simple thus they should be treated as separate events.

Now as for the last quote he has answered that.

[quote name='Jester' timestamp='1291530981' post='74452']
I was not deleting your posts because they were from you, but because you posted them in the wrong section.

The Necrovion Wish Points are mine to give out to Citizens of Necrovion. I do not consider Rebels to be true Citizens of Necrovion. If this is truly rebel abuse, then I will change my stance, but I do not believe that it is.

I did not ban you from making quests, I banned you from using Necrovion WPs to make them. You can still use your own rewards, and you can still participate in Necrovion quests to win things that aren't Necrovion's WP, if the person making it wishes.

Edit: I sent a message to the staff. We will have answer soon enough.
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See he is not restricting people he is restricting people from his rewards which he has every right to do. People restrict people that have already won there quest from receiving another WP from them. Think of it like this if it makes it easier to understand.

P.S. Sry I have a tendency to be abrasive. I just don't see the relevance of what you arguing here. If I don't see a valid point I am going to be brutally honest. I haven't lied yet on the fourm and I don't plan to make a habit of it. (I may have made hasty decisions but that's not lieing before you bring those up.) I even Kept my Hate Pages the same when I was running for election of lore-root. Granted I now regret it even though I would have lost either way.

Edit: (noticed that you posted in between posts)
[quote name='Aysun' timestamp='1291537388' post='74463']
My oh my, somebody's found a loophole in the code. The whole point of Rebel status is so that rebels may maintain citizenship while protesting the king- finding a way around that isn't going to help you. It's only going to reinstate our status and close up the hole. Thanks for finding it, though.
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Loophole what the hell are you talking about. Even if you still are a citizen you are not entitled to such. The lore root king needs you to prove that your quest is worthwhile so did lifeline when he was around. Please this proves nothing. It is not a loophole just a statement.

The Rebels used to be citizens, and were at the time of rebelling, yes. However, check your homeland.

I am not preventing you from participating in a Quest, I'm preventing you from winning what I sponsor it with. If the person who made the Quest still wishes to reward you, I will not take any action against them.

You are the one causing the turmoil, standing outside the Gates and bickering all day, insulting people just because they don't agree with you.

Also, as King I do indeed speak for Necrovion, and you are not even part of the land anymore.