Menhir

As long as you feel the need to say something you care, otherwise you would just turn around and smile. I still care about MD, myself in it and most of the people who are a part of this "community". And even if I did say what I said in my previous post I´m always in favor of friction. Friction is needed to evolve and I know there are many different ways of friction. I just do prefer the constructive over the destructive one. I would like to see 100 people active in MD everyday. The presence of 100 would change so much. But the reality looks different and I observe that we are getting less and less. Destructive friction is one of the causes. 
 
So I try it again. Please lets go back to the topic if there is anything needed to express.
Thank you    

When I was logging in today I had a feeling that I have to check the forum. Didn´t do it for a long time. Reading this as the first post which is of interest to me is the answer for my intuition. One thing I just learned in the last week of October is what came into my mind reading your long post.
Go into your heart!
Things are changing very fast on earth and the most important is the way we are living right now. EVERY single person I know had major changes in life in the last 12 months, myself included. Now I learn what I always knew but never put enough awareness onto. Everything starts from the heart and we are what is there. There are ways to reconnect with your heart and reconnect the brain with the heart, this is crucial. If you need a direction to look, take this one. If you don´t find anything ask me, I will give what I have. 
I wish I could be a more direct help for you but as far as I can see right now ... we are really far away from each other no matter what direction I look from.
All the best
 

@dst "She saw the opportunity so she grabbed it."
 
If I remember correctly that was one of those ways you walked in the past with such great success that many still talk about it years later and honestly I thought you did great. Why you still have such a deep beef with DD and everything he is or was connected with is out of my understanding. But like everyone else "you have all the time you need to find your own answers to your own questions in your life" (I know you know that) ...
 
And for you Lintara ... there is not much to say besides "all the best on your journey as leader of the few who are left".   

"Be yourself. Especially, do not feign affection."
I need to say "No" ...
 

This trial has ended,
you have decided for an intermediary solution
According to the votes, the solution decided by you is: " Confiscate the goods aquired and do nothing more " so this shall be.
Creatures where already confiscated so they will remain so.
The rest of what i said in this topic stands.

I did gather a lot everyday for a very long time but stopped one day, because there was nothing to do with it. Now I lost it ... looks like I´m of no help now.

Interesting thoughts about the 'reality' of creatures and them being memory, though that should probably go to a split if it goes on.
Concerning drachorns in particular, i'll have to add from a mechanical point here. You don't recruit drachorns in the lair (currently), so i think the concept Aeo laid out doesn't apply to them. You might be right about the recruiting places and processes (also consider how elementals can be recruited at 2 separate places), however, the lair works differently. You can't recruit a drachorn there (from a mechanics point of view), but only 'take' things from the lair, if that makes sense to you all. You don't enter the place and pay VE, VP and AP to get a 'copy' of a creature, like you do at recruiting places. What you do is using the Melodic Charm to put the big drachorn to sleep, and then you're able to sneak one of his treasures, or one of his babies, away from him. Mind you, that doesn't give you a 'copy' of anything. The lair is stocked with several items and a bunch of baby drachorns (most of them in hatchling state as of now, some are still eggs), which all have a unique ID already, unlike the creatures you recruit normally, which don't 'exist' until you make your copy of them, hence getting a 'fresh' ID. So, while thoughts on recruitment might be good, i think they don't apply to the lair.

Menhir enlighten us all how you consumed 3800 memory stones, lol...you built a memory wall ?
Azull, 545 stones, on WHAT,
i became very curious, thanks

Let them truly free ...meaning get them out of the game .. let them fly away. And then, because we have more "creatures" who deserve to be free (all of them I guess), lets do the same with them ... simply put - erase them all from the game by setting them free. Lets turn this into a pure roleplay game then, I mean chatroom.

Hmm...  At the moment the thoughts are vaguely there and I will try my best to explain them clearly.
 
Creatures as a concept of being bound to us:
Creatures recruited and are bound to us to fight battles that we personally can not be apart of. The creatures represent certain traits of ourselves that we are all capable of. When we sacrifice the creatures, we get back a little of those traits to ourselves and at times building block of reality are collected... the bits of the essence of that bond. Creatures create items, because they take on a living form based off of the bond. They consume and create. They reach a level not otherwise obtainable on their own. Grasans and the newer creature Molimas. 
 
The Elu is a bit different, it can not be added to the fights. It eats candy and produces paper. And it is not bound in a normal way. It is free, or more free in a sense. 
 
Creature trading, is basically giving up apart of yourself to another and a person changes based on the creatures they mainly deal with. 
 
So by obtaining the drachorns to free them, you are imprisoning them. Keeping them from growing and experiencing the world around them. When perhaps you should be finding ways to increase the bond or connection to the physical plane to bring them to an awareness or free them through experience. 
 
For example, you have a rider... She does not control you and is not your master. The same could be said for those that have drachorns. It is not as though people are sacrificing the drachorns and spilling their blood. The drachorns have a value that some other creatures do not. Drachorns have a level of respect, one that you seem to lack. 
 
You see them as a creature needing protection, to be guarded from the nasty humans/people. The drachorns are capable to handle things themselves and continue to experience the world through the connections they hold with people. To imprison them in one being would be a fate worst than death. Especially one that would refuse them the opportunity to experience the world. 
 
The only other way to free them would be similar to the empty aramors... to have them wander aimlessly unable to do more than walk the lands... devoid of life except in rare instances. 
 
Though if such a thing were to occur... the drachorns... upon being attacked... would disappear from that person's touch. Slowly moving towards oblivion. An interesting occurrence, though one I doubt you would want. 
 
--Assira the Black
 
edit: Just realized that what I posted is similar to what Syrian has posted in the other topic on heaven... So I support what she has said. 
 
 
 

Let them truly free ...meaning get them out of the game .. let them fly away. And then, because we have more "creatures" who deserve to be free (all of them I guess), lets do the same with them ... simply put - erase them all from the game by setting them free. Lets turn this into a pure roleplay game then, I mean chatroom.

while it may be the best you can do, its not a solution, you would not be freeing them you would just be taking them

you will also force them to do nothing when you take them from people, so this in not a valid example

While I understand if you wish to preserve the value and the rarity of drachorns, I really don't get this freedom/slavery concept.
Creatures in MD are not like pets, they are more like memories, virtual forms filled with our own will and bound to our spirit. Recruiting places are where merging with such a creature's form/memory is easier.
So what you're calling liberation, sounds to me like oblivion.. You seem to be aiming at concentrating their memories into one person, while the others - the unworthy - should forget about them. Do I make sense?
Regarding fighting/grinding/forcing drachorns into countless battles: would you consider turning drachorns into totems a better option?

Save the drachorns from slavery? Did I miss something?
" My first step towards this is to focus on creating a drachorn haven, anyone who wishes so can free their drachorn from slavery and hand them to me, i will take good care of them and rest assured they will not have to face any more battles for as long as they are in my care, only those that prove they are worthwhile would receive the gift of a mighty drachorn."
This sounds like the tactic another player was trying months ago and I never thought you would go in this direction. For now I´m not really into your "new" role.

grreetings little ones
as you have seen the Drachorn Master has stepped back from controling the drachorns' fate to controling you little ones' fate so a vacancy arose.
(https://magicduel.com/page/Announcement/view/4044)
I, Draconas step up to fill this place.
when the drachorn master called for an apprentice i was one of the few to agree to the task, and over time i was the only one remaining, the last Lair keeper aside the current master, you can see his question here: 
and read my application towards the role here:
my views on how to fulfill this role havent changed much on this short time, i will still seek freedom for my people should i receive this role. this is why i will stil persist on becoming a drachorn king rather than a master, i shall not have slaves under my command, only followers. i see many ways to obtain this freedom.
My first step towards this is to focus on creating a drachorn haven, anyone who wishes so can free their drachorn from slavery and hand them to me, i will take good care of them and rest assured they will not have to face any more battles for as long as they are in my care, only those that prove they are worthwhile would receive the gift of a mighty drachorn.
i know i have slept a lot over the last moons, but i intend to change that and be available more so the role would not just be a name
Burns has told me some bits of what a drachorn master is and has helped to prepare me to fill his spot one day, but alongside his information i will follow my own path on what the future of the drachorns is.
any questions or notes can be forwarded to me and i will be happy to answer them
Draconas
Lair Keeper
aspiring Drachorn King

You state with regards to your Drachorn Haven that you will be taking them off the market to protect them.
A big part, besides the acting of the role, is distribution of the Drachorn Tokens. Within the Lair is the option to collect Drachorns if you have a token.
How do you reconcile the distribution of Tokens, and the preventing further cruelty to the Drachorns? Seeing as the distribution of them could lead to people acquiring Drachorns, which you state as cruelty to them.

I cannot find the exact quote but I will try to remember correctly. Its taken from one of Jiddu Krishnamurti conversations.
"If there is conflict there cannot be truth at the same time ..."
In the light of this ... my opinion is that both of you are somehow not aware enough what you could have done better. Please consider to talk again with each other with the help of a third "person" who would be the mediator. There is no wrong or correct here, just something which happened in the past which needs to be looked at with proper awareness cutting out all the emotions. I can see that this topic is somehow intended to work like this "mediator". My feeling is that both of you are thinking "I`m correct!" but the moment you think you know the truth or you´re correct, you´re not.
I vote for " Confiscate the goods aquired and do nothing more " even if it´s not what I would do, but all other options are fitting even less.
I hope you can settle this fast and clean, the more time and energy it takes the less work will be finished by you Mur and this is the bigger picture we all should focus on. All of you who are working on A25 are doing a great job and MD needs more of it without the disturbance of such "incidents".
 

I cannot find the exact quote but I will try to remember correctly. Its taken from one of Jiddu Krishnamurti conversations.
"If there is conflict there cannot be truth at the same time ..."
In the light of this ... my opinion is that both of you are somehow not aware enough what you could have done better. Please consider to talk again with each other with the help of a third "person" who would be the mediator. There is no wrong or correct here, just something which happened in the past which needs to be looked at with proper awareness cutting out all the emotions. I can see that this topic is somehow intended to work like this "mediator". My feeling is that both of you are thinking "I`m correct!" but the moment you think you know the truth or you´re correct, you´re not.
I vote for " Confiscate the goods aquired and do nothing more " even if it´s not what I would do, but all other options are fitting even less.
I hope you can settle this fast and clean, the more time and energy it takes the less work will be finished by you Mur and this is the bigger picture we all should focus on. All of you who are working on A25 are doing a great job and MD needs more of it without the disturbance of such "incidents".
 

I cannot find the exact quote but I will try to remember correctly. Its taken from one of Jiddu Krishnamurti conversations.
"If there is conflict there cannot be truth at the same time ..."
In the light of this ... my opinion is that both of you are somehow not aware enough what you could have done better. Please consider to talk again with each other with the help of a third "person" who would be the mediator. There is no wrong or correct here, just something which happened in the past which needs to be looked at with proper awareness cutting out all the emotions. I can see that this topic is somehow intended to work like this "mediator". My feeling is that both of you are thinking "I`m correct!" but the moment you think you know the truth or you´re correct, you´re not.
I vote for " Confiscate the goods aquired and do nothing more " even if it´s not what I would do, but all other options are fitting even less.
I hope you can settle this fast and clean, the more time and energy it takes the less work will be finished by you Mur and this is the bigger picture we all should focus on. All of you who are working on A25 are doing a great job and MD needs more of it without the disturbance of such "incidents".
 

I cannot find the exact quote but I will try to remember correctly. Its taken from one of Jiddu Krishnamurti conversations.
"If there is conflict there cannot be truth at the same time ..."
In the light of this ... my opinion is that both of you are somehow not aware enough what you could have done better. Please consider to talk again with each other with the help of a third "person" who would be the mediator. There is no wrong or correct here, just something which happened in the past which needs to be looked at with proper awareness cutting out all the emotions. I can see that this topic is somehow intended to work like this "mediator". My feeling is that both of you are thinking "I`m correct!" but the moment you think you know the truth or you´re correct, you´re not.
I vote for " Confiscate the goods aquired and do nothing more " even if it´s not what I would do, but all other options are fitting even less.
I hope you can settle this fast and clean, the more time and energy it takes the less work will be finished by you Mur and this is the bigger picture we all should focus on. All of you who are working on A25 are doing a great job and MD needs more of it without the disturbance of such "incidents".
 

I cannot find the exact quote but I will try to remember correctly. Its taken from one of Jiddu Krishnamurti conversations.
"If there is conflict there cannot be truth at the same time ..."
In the light of this ... my opinion is that both of you are somehow not aware enough what you could have done better. Please consider to talk again with each other with the help of a third "person" who would be the mediator. There is no wrong or correct here, just something which happened in the past which needs to be looked at with proper awareness cutting out all the emotions. I can see that this topic is somehow intended to work like this "mediator". My feeling is that both of you are thinking "I`m correct!" but the moment you think you know the truth or you´re correct, you´re not.
I vote for " Confiscate the goods aquired and do nothing more " even if it´s not what I would do, but all other options are fitting even less.
I hope you can settle this fast and clean, the more time and energy it takes the less work will be finished by you Mur and this is the bigger picture we all should focus on. All of you who are working on A25 are doing a great job and MD needs more of it without the disturbance of such "incidents".
 

I cannot find the exact quote but I will try to remember correctly. Its taken from one of Jiddu Krishnamurti conversations.
"If there is conflict there cannot be truth at the same time ..."
In the light of this ... my opinion is that both of you are somehow not aware enough what you could have done better. Please consider to talk again with each other with the help of a third "person" who would be the mediator. There is no wrong or correct here, just something which happened in the past which needs to be looked at with proper awareness cutting out all the emotions. I can see that this topic is somehow intended to work like this "mediator". My feeling is that both of you are thinking "I`m correct!" but the moment you think you know the truth or you´re correct, you´re not.
I vote for " Confiscate the goods aquired and do nothing more " even if it´s not what I would do, but all other options are fitting even less.
I hope you can settle this fast and clean, the more time and energy it takes the less work will be finished by you Mur and this is the bigger picture we all should focus on. All of you who are working on A25 are doing a great job and MD needs more of it without the disturbance of such "incidents".
 

I cannot find the exact quote but I will try to remember correctly. Its taken from one of Jiddu Krishnamurti conversations.
"If there is conflict there cannot be truth at the same time ..."
In the light of this ... my opinion is that both of you are somehow not aware enough what you could have done better. Please consider to talk again with each other with the help of a third "person" who would be the mediator. There is no wrong or correct here, just something which happened in the past which needs to be looked at with proper awareness cutting out all the emotions. I can see that this topic is somehow intended to work like this "mediator". My feeling is that both of you are thinking "I`m correct!" but the moment you think you know the truth or you´re correct, you´re not.
I vote for " Confiscate the goods aquired and do nothing more " even if it´s not what I would do, but all other options are fitting even less.
I hope you can settle this fast and clean, the more time and energy it takes the less work will be finished by you Mur and this is the bigger picture we all should focus on. All of you who are working on A25 are doing a great job and MD needs more of it without the disturbance of such "incidents".
 

Also if I may say, from this thread I have realised that MD is a game where lying and cheating are considered to be bigger crimes than broad daylight murder and assassinations. A game where being an assassin is a role, and murder weapons are rare tools, but misunderstandings are a crime which might get you banned for an year. Where benefit of doubt is given to people who break rules regularly and punishment for an year is an option for misunderstandings. Interesting concept, no? Exceeds expectations.