A Request for Shift of Power or Change

[Curiose]

I do not know the entire story, but I do not care. I do not care to know the whole story.

My request is to have a change of Power from having Fenrir [AKA Vicarious/Seigheart] to someone else more deserving and less abusive of the power. As I have seen, he is restrictive of means of communication and refuses to accept any PMs in game or forum. He manipulates the way he runs the sponsorhips and is in fact decling quest creation.

If people want to contact him, it is imperitive they message him through e mail. Some people do not favor that option and instead wish to do the other means. He insults quests, calling them lousy, and instead uses his own ideals of a quest to pick and choose who gets a sponsorship, and even more so what they receive.

To me, that is not what makes a treasure keeper. That is a dictatorship and decreases the morale of quest makers, It is abusive and unfair and restrictive.

I request that either the hand of power gets shifted to someone more responsible, or the entire means of sponsorhip get abolished and changed.

It is the job of a volunteer, as a treasure keeper, to help people. Not define what they can or cannot do.


Proof of said actions:
http://magicduel.invisionzone.com/topic/11111-what-is-going-on/
http://magicduel.invisionzone.com/topic/10948-contacting-the-tks/
http://magicduel.invisionzone.com/topic/10197-for-future-sponsored-quests-and-events/

Edited December 6, 2011 by Curiose

[Phantom Orchid]

I too wish that such a position be given to somebody who a) does not have a track record of abuse of power b) has been involved in creating quests and is knowledgeable about what fair reward distributions should look like c) is fair.

I am specifically thinking about the quest Fenrir posited several months ago where he 'charged' silver coins for entrance and then abandoned the quest and kept the coins. I am also thinking about how he plays favorites in reward distribution in his TK position.

[Amoran Kalamanira Kol]

After the Grasan replacement contest ended, Amoran and a few others had not been given their wish point rewards. I first posted in the forum, and then waited two weeks. Then I chose to find the nearest TK to get the matter settled.

When I contacted Seigheart via PM and forum PM, he said that he did not wish to be bothered with "trivial requests". Amoran did however, receive her wish point after he explained that he did not want anyone messaging him about rewards.

All is well, however.. I do not feel that this is the way reward inquiries should be handled. After waiting 2 weeks for my wish point, I then had to wait a few days for him to respond- and once he did, I faced the attitude that my request was not important to him.

While I appreciate that he did respond, I was not aware at the time that we were supposed to mail such questions to the TK's email address.

**Please note that this is not a complaint, but rather a negative encounter with Seigheart regarding rewards. This is really my only encounter with Seigheart since he took the reins of the Treasure Keepers.

Edited December 7, 2011 by Amoran Kalamanira Kol

[ZenTao]

Hello Ladies, It saddens me that this is the view on things as of late. As far as I know, Seigh has been doing as he was told to do by Mur, this seems to be the case, or at least this is what I have been told. It seems so many of you really have issues with Seigh, but for me he has always been kind and respectful. Lately with these last awards I had been assigned to dispatch, there were many codes that did not work or were deemed "in use" and I hear the reason why that kept happening was because of the abrupt quitting of Curi, in leaving she supposedly left the TK's stuff in shambles? though I really don't know why. I do however see that Curi is not doing anyone any good by coming back with a vengeance, I am an adult I believe you are as well, would it be such a terrible thing to be more diplomatic in voicing your opinions? I have no idea why you are so angry all the time, and I do not doubt you have reason to be, I just feel like fingers against a chalk board reading insult after insult and then pointing the finger at everyone else. What ever the case may be I hope we can work this out.

[Curiose]

You really think I am coming in vengence? BULL.

Remove the retarded rose tinted glasses already. How dare you say I came in vengence.

I could have ranted and raved and called that thing every insult in the book but did I? No. I REQUESTED A CHANGE. And just because you think he's treating you so hot and dandy does not mean that everyone else believes so. Have you even read those posts? Have you even once thought that, hey, maybe ths is wrong to actually insult people when they request something, or insult their quest, or generally, be a douchebag to everyone in MD.

The TKs are a failure when under a Shoddy Leader.

The only reason the guild was as they were before I left was because that is how Mur wanted it. We didn't have many responsibilities until AFTER I had left, so you can't say it was in shambles because you were never part of the group before.

Edited December 7, 2011 by Curiose

[awiiya]

Curiose - calm it down. "Have you even once thought that, hey, maybe ths is wrong to actually insult people when they request something, or insult their quest, or generally, be a douchebag to everyone in MD." There's no reason to be hostile to ZenTao, her post was entirely reasonable, and though it may come from a different perspective, your own abusive response is uncalled for. I'll be direct with you, since that seems to be the style you most employ: I'm tired of seeing such tactless rampages. There's no excuse to meet poor behavior with equally poor behavior.

Frankly I would like to see Seigheart handle requests in a more diplomatic manner. That said - the distinction between asking for a specific reward and indicating that a quest exists which he might want to sponsor makes sense. I'm all for transparency, especially in such a crucial role as Seigheart's.

Awi

Edited December 7, 2011 by awiiya

[Pipstickz]

Yeah, Curi could be nicer, and Mur could answer every PM that gets sent to him, and the kings could all come back and say "JK LOL" and everything could be nice. But it isn't. I'm sure she knows full well the consequences of using such language.

[quote name='ZenTao' timestamp='1323218536' post='97374']
As far as I know, Seigh has been doing as he was told to do by Mur, this seems to be the case, or at least this is what I have been told.
[/quote]
You think just making Mur happy is all that is needed? I told Seig, before I quit the TKs, that he'd made it into a dictatorship, and Curi is saying it here and now. It leaves me with only the assumption that I was correct then, and she is correct now. The difference between dictating and leading is rather simple; a dictator has it his way, and just tells everybody else what to do. The TKs are heavily linked with the community now, and Seig's just telling everybody what to do. Keeping the community happy should be one of the most important things to do, and it shouldn't be that hard to do either, so why does Seigheart's name keep popping up?

Mur told Seig at the initial TKs meeting that to be allowed to do this, he'd have to keep from causing problems. What's he done since then? Well, if we ignore outside things (personal things), and only look at TK related things, Seig's done two things I can think of: First is me leaving, which is just going to be written off as personal problems if I try to argue it, so I won't bother. Second is this. If you go around acting like a jerk to the people you need to work with, you're going to get fired. Seig, you need to either learn to work with the community, or find somebody else who can. Of course, you could just keep doing what you're doing and ignore all of this, like I'm sure you really want to, but I don't want somebody like that representing my homeland, much less the whole of MD.

Remember, Seigheart can be replaced, if he can't smarten up.

[Curiose]

The only way that people seem to even listen on this game is by yelling at them. It just seems fitting to insult those back who have insulted me.

But sure. I apologize.

Not like it matters, eh?

[Rumi]

[quote name='Curiose' timestamp='1323222940' post='97378']
The only way that people seem to even listen on this game is by yelling at them.
[/quote]

Nonsense

[awiiya]

[quote name='Curiose' timestamp='1323222940' post='97378']
The only way that people seem to even listen on this game is by yelling at them. It just seems fitting to insult those back who have insulted me.

But sure. I apologize.

Not like it matters, eh?
[/quote]

It matters, thank you.

Awi

[Kyphis the Bard]

[u][b]This is not a complaint. I am just stating this hear because I believe in free sharing of data. This situation was handled well in the end, although it did have its problems and I wish to help highlight them.[/b][/u]

Seigheart informed me that Mur had a reward for me, so at the earliest oportunity I asked Mur. He told me to talk to seigheart since, that is what the TK are for.

When I talked to Seigheart, he told me what the reward was and basically just said "oh well".

Shortly after that the new contact email for the TK was created, so I immediately issued a request there. I did not recieve a reply.

After two weeks of waiting, I sent another inquiry. This time Mur replied and we organized things so that I could get the reward.

The reward in question was an item, and it needed to first be created before it could be given to me.

[u][b]While Seighearts tone was not pleasant, nor was it rude. He is not at fault here because it was not possible for him to reward the item in question. The situation here is a communication error, and better organization on Murs part to make sure the TK have all the tools to perform their job. The wait period on replies to a dedicated email address was also longer than it probably should have been. These are all organizational errors, and no single persons fault.[/b][/u]

If the TK are to continue, it requires a lot of work before it is capable of being effective largely independent of Mur (which is the point, as far as I can tell)

[BFH]

I totally agree with the fact that one should be contacted by ingame or official games manners.

[PM's (serves as record), Forum PM's (also), MD official email (official things)]

I think that if someone wants to be sponsored, he/she should have the opportunity to contact TK by any of the previously mentioned ways, not only one.

~B

[Kyphis the Bard]

No offense meant at Phantom Orchids , however I find the rewards the TK's have offered for her quest, considering the relative (emphasise on relative) simplicity of the quest, to be incredibly excessive. Some of MD's most valuable assets do not deserve to be offered for the Dream Quest Part 2.

While it does require extensive knowledge to have any chance of winning first place, the simplicity that most entries are capable of being while still being good make it, to me at least, unworth of such incredible prizes as Morphs, Wishpoints, and "Any shop creature, limited edition or otherwise" (which, fyi, far as I hear means that it includes Morphs since you could for a short period get them in the shop. Might be wrong on that though, and I doubt Seigheart would honor it even if I am right)

[Shadowseeker]

Morphs were never in the shop.

Though one could think so, given how many are floating around at times.

I personally am waiting for something else to happen, I requested a gold cupon to be traded in. (description says it can be changed in, so I went to TK for it) It's been a while with no reply, but I assume this is also Mur's fault for not replying, or choosing to delay it. Still, given that Seig seems to have discussed the quests with Mur more recently, he may have forgotten to mention it as well. I have no idea what actually did happen aside from him saying it would be mentioned ASAP.

It only has been slightly more than a week, so I cannot say I am satisfied (obviously), but I cannot say I am too disatisfied yet either- it depends on how fast it actually will happen.

The rewards from TK were so far given rather fast. When requested once Seig had issues getting the itc/ctc into a PM. I think it was because of his mobile or such, but it seemed weird that he did not just PM it. That aside, most rewards were delivered fast and within a few days. (I cannot recall exact periods, but it was all like 2-3 days, no more, maybe even less) Since this happened 2 times so far, and both were speedy, I cannot complain about it- however he did not request me to walk into the east either, and it was before the period before I heard of people being requested to do that before actually getting anything.


My conclusion (excuse me for such a lengthy post) is that Seig's new role has caused a massive amount of spam, which he tried to remove somehow ingame/forumwise. He should accept both, however note that sending an email would probably get it done faster. Maybe even allow email and one extra addition like forum PM or PM, but no more. Spams should just be given warnings and be put into a blacklist if it gets overboard.

That aside, I think the recent funding for quests was a bit too heavy, but then again Mur is probably in Xmas mood.

[Seigheart]

I am going to cover pretty much everything I can think of to cover here:

Cury, you screwed things up big time with the TKs. Where do you get off from coming back one day and just trashing everything you see "wrong." You left without ANY stock, without ANY idea of what was done and what wasnt. You basically left the TKs to rot because of your very frequent temper tantrums. Yelling and screaming like a spoiled brat does not solve problems. It blows things out of proportion.

You claim many things in your original post. One of which is that I am declining quest creation? How so? Where are your statistics? How do you know that I am manipulating sponsorships? Again, where is your proof?

You can claim all these things, but the fact of the matter is that I have been making steps to INCREASE the quest production of the realm. For instance, I am now allowed to reward Quest Makers for creating numerous, quality quests.

I only allow the email because it is MUCH MUCH more effective to email me, because you can get a reply immediately(if I am awake or not busy with RL stuff). Why is this such a big deal? So what if you have to open up another tab? You have to open one tab to send an email, while I receive many emails in a day.

I know your TKs were just mailmen, but what I have done in the last month was restore the TKs to something far more important and essential.

I have a little patience for people who do not follow simple instructions. I always redirect people to the [email="treasury@magicduel.com"]treasury@magicduel.com[/email] email for TK related issues, kindly. And then their email is answered accordingly. But when you constantly pm IG, or through the forum, I won't answer them. Why? Because I have better things to do than keep an eye on three different communication systems to SERVE YOU.

You do not see how I treat most players, Cury. I engage them, talk to them, and am generally quite kind. What you see, and all you see, are how I treat players who have constantly shown me absolutely nothing but negative light, and constant "bullying". You expect me to be kind to those people? **** that. I will treat them abruptly and calmly, but I refuse to be kind to them.

Kyphis:

You are totally right about the rewards for Phantom's Quest. BUT... It's Christmas. So, expect the rewards to be higher than they generally should. The reward was confirmed with Mur, just so you know. Infact, he even suggested it. I wanted to give a WP, BP, and then a choice of any shop creature exluding seasonal.

Shadowseeker:

Notes will be redeemable soon(ish). A temporary solution is to hold auctions to sell off Shop Creatures. Aka the Christmas Auction. Not even close to the amount of Gold Coins I need to redeem a small portion of the notes, but an attempt none the less.

Phantom Orchid:

What abuse of power do you speak of? The Artisan's incident? I was completely absolved of that incident by Mur. I have created many quests, none of them would be what I call... "good" but they are out there. I am not a creative person. I am very regimented and straight pathed. My quests would be boring and unorganized. Sorry, but that doesn't effect how I can judge a quest.

That particular quest that you mentioned; I ended up quitting. Yes, you were charged a coin to pay the "ferryman". If you didn't have the coin, you could take another path, albeit longer. The coins were then to reward the winner. And effective means to a reward.

Amoran:

You had recieved that WP TWO WHOLE DAYS before you sent that forum pm. I was frustrated at your oversight. I apologize.


Moral of this thread:

Treat me with respect, and you'll have respect returned. Constantly attack and bitch at me, and I won't treat you nicely.

I am not Mur. I won't stand by a let you bitch at me.

Edited December 7, 2011 by Seigheart

[Pipstickz]

Oh my, it's gone from just arguing against everything I say to flat out ignoring. Seig, if you can't deal with the community politely, find somebody who can.

[Seigheart]

What is there to reply to? You said absolutely nothing that I needed to respond to directly, because everything you said was already said.

Infact, after reading what you've said, you've said nothing at all to be honest. Just a bunch of opinions.

Edited December 7, 2011 by Seigheart

[Muratus del Mur]

[u]a long post - but read or stop commenting on the tk till you read:[/u]


[sub]@ curiose "I do not know the entire story, but I do not care. I do not care to know the whole story." that about summarizes both my attitude towards you and yours towards md in general, so i will move on with more relevant things.[/sub]


T-R-E-A-S-U-R-E K-E-E-P-E-R ..you know, that ugly dude with a missing eye that cuts you open if you get anywhere near the treasury door? Or the dragon inside the cave that burns you to ashes when you enter.... none are sociable, pleasant, fun to talk to, nor are they popular or friendly.
You want someone more 'suitable' for this role? like how, you mean someone you would enjoy more to talk to? thats EXACTLY what i don't want as a treasure keeper.

I did a big mistake assuming the role will cover for the authority of the character in cause. I did same mistake with the kings apparently. Saying "because Mur said so" works, saying "because seigh decided so" totally doesn't. There is a reason behind his actions, there is a reason behind me picking him, but it seems that without ME explaining things, the majority of you acts like a herd and accuses just for the fun of doing so.

[b]I welcome anything negative you have to say against Seigheart, in clear, short, concise form. Preferably one idea per line. Via public forum topic, to avoid duplicate things. I shall handle all of them one way or the other. If you have anything positive to say i don't care, you can tell him that directly, so don't bother to act as advocates if any fancies such a thing.[/b]


For now, the following lines will clear out some of seigh behavious issues discussed above:

by [b][color=#ff0000]my orders[/color][/b], TK, (mainly represented by Seigheart till its other members will 'grow up')

[b]Optionally Can:[/b]
- decide upon the value of a quest, but never decide its winners
- reject any or all direct requests for sponsorship. You can notify or email tk for a request, but it will simply matter equally to posting a forum topic.
- put up for auction non b/w creatures in the tk stoc in order to replenish the gold/silver cash supply.
- purchase market goods if needed, using tk valuables
- exchange gold/silver notes into cash coins and back, as needed, if needed. (this was not clear till the requests came, so the delay was because seigh waited for me to clarify if he can or not. Currently tk has no cash either, so ofc the coupons can't be exchanged. Again, tk internal business is none of your concern, and i will ask seigh to be more clear about things to avoid misinterpretations


[b]Must:[/b]
- constantly look for interesting ongoing quests or events and sponsor the creators. tk doesnt have to spot all good quests, but needs to spot at least one constantly. If there are no interesting quests it means md population got dumber and tk will still sponsor existing quests (adapts to what is)
- avoid sponsoring repeatedly same creators to avoid favoritism, even if some really deserve much more sponsorships than others
- keep a clear and dated list of all rewards given. preferably if this list goes public periodically
- follow an internal directive ( i wont discuss it here) regarding rewards given for certain forum posts
- dispatch any goods me or council asks, even if the request does not have a stated reason.
- dispatch promised/awarded sponsorships/rewards within a decent time. nothing like me or council. By decent i mean fast enough not to hear any complains, usualy a week tops is enough in my opinion, anything over is not good.

[b]Should not / can not:[/b]
- reward participants to a quest other than quests created directly by the tk or its members ofc
- mix personal grudges with the judgment regarding the value of a quest or event and its sponsorship
- cause a group of constantly sponsored people. Seigheart is not allowed to sponsor his friends simply because they are his friends, in his particluar case thats very easy to avoid. I mention this as opposed to how kings could have done it, kings were allowed any sort of favoritism simply because they were kings.
- give wishpoints directly, unless specifically told so by me. Instead tk gives wishpoint codes, that are transferable and matter to whoever activates them too.
- sell anything from the tk stoc without a public auction - specifically to avoid potential abuse temptations.
- create items of any sort. This is for now reserved just for some, other roles, because it involves an entire range of rules
- tell you of any direct, implied, or ongoing discussion with me about your requests.
- seighheart can't reward himself, ever..obviously. He receives occasional goods from the tk stoc, and can use those for his own quests, or for his own fun, but can't use tk stoc in his favor.

[b]Guidelines i asked to be followed:[/b]
- use the email instead of any other means, mainly because i can follow that one myself too, and PM i can't. PM's are still, since the beginning of md, not tracked in any way, and they will remain so. It is also more convenient for seigh to use email, and for you is not convenient because you are scared about your alts to be found out, i dont care.
- [i]during christmas period tk will 'show off' by inflating the sponsorship values with themed creatures such as morphs and reins[/i], much above what you will see throughout the rest of the year.
- keep the tk rewards above player supported rewards. this means that if current quest reward is one pimp for example , tk can't put in anything less than two pimp value (or equivalents ofc)
- push in as sponsorship anything that is in surplus at that time on tk stoc. For example you could wish for a gold coin but if tk has more morphs than cash gold , you will get a morph instead..and the opposite. I directly use TK to balance the values in md, i don't need to explain why, but here is how.


[color=#ff0000][b]Guidelines i will ask to be followed from now on:[/b][/color]
- ignore all quests and avoid all sponsorships to players that claimed they "left" but still haunt md. Thats targeted to curiose, but it involves many more actually that pop-up like ghosts from time to time and have no clue whats going on but still speak.
- ignore jail time. thats why its jail..a punishment..but once out you should have a chance to do better. I ofently jailed people i didn't wish to, because they did dumb things, but that should not remain as a stain.
- oscilate between periods of heavy sponsorships and low sponsorships. this is 'healthy'. I will think of a time interval and announce when the low and high periods are, or tk will, its their job afterall.
- keep a more respectful way of communication and avoid any comments regarding quests quality. However this can't be achieved unless its both ways. If you will start shouting "why was my quest ignored" you might get an answer like "because it sucks", otherwise, TK should answer politely and avoid to imply your quest sucks, but just deny your request gracefully.
- avoid asking people to find seigh, or any of the tk members. I hate those mood panel posts "find me" ..To make that possible tk has to have a way to travel to the sponsored people. That implies chase spell, and i don't like it, but i might give tk the summon spell and prepare them an office. i will see how else to do it (you can vote for it if you like)







[b]What things Seigheart could do that would bother me badly:[/b]
- show grudge against a player and repeatedly avoid sponsoring that player despite obvious reasons to do so. In such a case, I will investigate the quests myself to see if there was indeed any reason why not to sponsor them. I will do so with a clear intention to protect the tk decision, yet not blindly.
- tranfer tk stoc goods to others, in private, outside publicly announced sponsorships, or rewards given under the forum rewards internal directive
- sell tk stoc without public auction, or ending tk auctions in suspicious ways
- not be active for more than a week, unannounced (to me at least).
- miss to reward a very public quest or event posted by someone not yet sponsored by the tk. Its human to miss things, not notice them on time, tk is not allowed that luxury.
- become fluffy, friendly, lovely and ask you if maybe you don't like the shine on that gold coin and want an other newer one. Seigh attitube is good as it is, and you won't like this for a long time, so what, i am a lot worse.
- gamble with the decision of sponsor you or not. TK decision should be clear and to the point. There are NO IFs in that, so hearing seigh doing anything like "i might sponsor you if" would be wrong.
- influence quests or advise quest makers in such way to make them gain or lose sponsorpship. TK should never influence how quests are done

and very important: - keep rewarding same sort of quests over and over..that would be also a bad mark on seigh and the tk alltogether. Quests diversity should be supported and not hindered through rewarding just some quests. To achive that is not easy, and i will support/advise him constantly till he will show he can spot a quest with not so obvious potential on his own.



Last words. All the rules and regulations i posted here are the conclusions of things i already discussed and were implied to the treasure keeper role. This is not a puzzle for seigh or a series of lines he needs to follow, but more of an attitude built over time. Short time, but enough time. Because of your cries i put them here in clear form. When you criticise someone think well if you can say anything about the role/job/duties/responsabilites/etc of that person, or you are talking about its character just. How could i judge character? thats the flavor , and if you don't like it thats it. If whats under the flavor is faulty, then yes, i will act, and fast, but so far you are just crying about an attitude and about things you thought they might be wrong because sadly i never detailed the tk activity, hoping you will accept it as it is.


Topic is not close, feel free to ask questions or share opinions of any.

[Curiose]

I agree with Pippy. He is simply ignoring the facts and not wanting to change. Tsk tsk.

Either you suck it up and deal with people and how they are, or you forfeit yourself and give it to someone more worthy. Because you, are far from worthy.

Not sure if my original response went through, so I shall post another:

I POSTED my proof which is basically what I have seen and what I have gone by. It was blatant in those forum posts that I had put up. So maybe, if you had decided to look a little further, you would have seen I had them up.

Oh wah. A couple of creatures. I didn't have any coins that would be considered stock, I posted up a thread with the wishpoint codes. You can easily get more creatures from Mur. And even if it was such an issue, you could have had pip contact me. I gave you plenty of times in which to add my on my YIM for contacts sake, and yet you never followed through. So, don't just put all the blame on me. : 3

[Burns]

Seriously Mur, you should reconsider that approach of the grumpy treasure guarding dragon.

You only have so many oldies who have stuff to pay a big quest, we need new questmakers with new ideas and things to give as reward.
I can only speak for my own halloween competition ([url="http://magicduel.invisionzone.com/topic/10769-halloween-competition/"]http://magicduel.inv...en-competition/[/url]), which was announced in the time when halloween quest extra sponsoring was announced in game, for which i received sponsorship 4 weeks after announcing, 1 week after finishing the quest. To me, that's no biggie, because i have my own stock to draw rewards from, if that was a quest made from a newbie, the quest would've been aborted because of lacking rewards.

Specially new quest creators don't have the strength to kick a grumpy dragons rear (edit: Meaning to say, convince Seig to sponsor before announcing), or wait until the dragon is bored enough to move away (edit: Meaning to say, wait two-three weeks after announcing) and let them get some treasures. They also can't just take a nice reward from their own stuff, as they have nothing. How would that look if they announce a big quest, and then there's no reward? Does that get you a reputation as good quest creator, as you implied [url="http://magicduel.invisionzone.com/topic/11111-what-is-going-on/page__view__findpost__p__97422"]here[/url]?

A quest is only as good as the players, and few players do their best if they get lousy rewards out of it, we all know that by now. If nobody plays a quest, it's easy to say that it was a lousy quest, no matter how amazing the quest could've been with the right competition. People need to have certainty about their quests BEFORE announcing them, otherwise they never get played. A grumpy dragon who guards the treasure might not be the best way to make a newbie try a second time.

I've never been a friend of your RPC concept, either, but you can't deny that a whole lot of people made a whole lot of quests during that time, everything in the long range from lousy to brilliant, guided and sponsored by the RPCs. TKs don't grant guidance, and only grant sponsoring to brilliant quests. This definitely increases the quality of quests, but the finest quests are also reserved to be solved by the finest people, which will hardly ever be a newbie.

Dare i say it? MD without low quality quests is less fun for newcomers, and a major turndown for the new quest makers, as i don't think that any of us can say that our first attempt was so good that Seig would've sponsored it. Back then, when we were nobodys and had nothing, not even experience.

Edited December 7, 2011 by Burns

[BFH]

Idea:
Use the treasury link that already exists in MD:
http://magicduel.com/pages/info.treasury.php
Make a form and let players request their sponsorship, submit their quest plans, etc, through it. Support Ticket style managed by TKs or whatever
That way you Mur have records, council have records, an automatic email can be sent to the tk's email, everyone have access, problem of accessibility solved, no excuses to be given out.

[Seigheart]

First off, no convincing is necessary.

I don't care who the quest maker is, I don't look at that. I look at the quality of quest.

[ZenTao]

[quote name='Burns' timestamp='1323294435' post='97436']
Seriously Mur, you should reconsider that approach of the grumpy treasure guarding dragon.[/quote]


You must mean friendly and more non grumpy like yourself right?
[quote name='Burns' timestamp='1323294435' post='97436']
You only have so many oldies who have stuff to pay a big quest, we need new questmakers with new ideas and things to give as reward.
I can only speak for my own halloween competition ([url="http://magicduel.invisionzone.com/topic/10769-halloween-competition/"]http://magicduel.inv...en-competition/[/url]), which was announced in the time when halloween quest extra sponsoring was announced in game, for which i received sponsorship 4 weeks after announcing, 1 week after finishing the quest. To me, that's no biggie, because i have my own stock to draw rewards from, if that was a quest made from a newbie, the quest would've been aborted because of lacking rewards.[/quote]

Like you older players don't have a ton of stuff to part with?! Also you should reconsider the term Newbie/ Newb as it is considered by gamers to be an insult.


[quote name='Burns' timestamp='1323294435' post='97436']
Specially new quest creators don't have the strength to kick a grumpy dragons rear (edit: Meaning to say, convince Seig to sponsor before announcing), or wait until the dragon is bored enough to move away (edit: Meaning to say, wait two-three weeks after announcing) and let them get some treasures. They also can't just take a nice reward from their own stuff, as they have nothing. How would that look if they announce a big quest, and then there's no reward? Does that get you a reputation as good quest creator, as you implied [url="http://magicduel.invisionzone.com/topic/11111-what-is-going-on/page__view__findpost__p__97422"]here[/url]?

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Just wondering how a new player creates a quests? It's possible there may be a few very personable and social new people coming here to MD, but I know none who just flat out try making quests without knowing the people or the realm of MD at least a little well.. I would think they wouldn't even know they were allowed to make quests and if they did its gotta be someones alt.

[Brulant]

By a newbie quest maker, Burns refers to people who are just creating their first quests and still learning how best to create and run them. A newbie quest maker doesn't necessarily have to be a new person to the Realm.

Correct me if I'm wrong though, Burns.

[ZenTao]

[quote name='Brulant' timestamp='1323318835' post='97455']
By a newbie quest maker, Burns refers to people who are just creating their first quests and still learning how best to create and run them. A newbie quest maker doesn't necessarily have to be a new person to the Realm.

Correct me if I'm wrong though, Burns.
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okay that makes sense! Sorry now I get it, I suppose it's all those years playing Diablo2lod that made me not like the word Newbie.