By decree of the Queen of Necrovion, Adam Riddle has been sent to prison today for 6 months.


The reason given for this is; for attempting to destroy the Necrovion Gate and for being mentally ill


[i]Before anyone starts objecting, i want to point you at the announcement about people using the abilities they have, how they want (paraphrasing)[/i]

Adam Riddle is just playing his role, hallucinating and doing some things in his imagination, so "destroying" the Howling Gates is very impossible for a man like him. He was sent to jail for two unreasonable reasons;

1)"Destroying" the Howling Gates, and
2) Being mentally ill.

Wow, that was a very brutal crime...

A hypocrite said that Adam Riddle is a "threat" because of the attempt against the Gates, and her first line of text goes "Peace ignores Adam" (can't remember, I haven't been able to print screen), but what is this? Why bring him to the prison? I told YOU about Adam's character before, but why take it personal? It was very UN-REASONABLE of you. You deserve whatever karma you're in right now.

I just want to state my side here, I won't reply to this thread anymore.
And yes I will say this: I am the wrong one.

Edited December 12, 200916 yr by King Lazarus

I think you'll find, if you read, that it says [u]attempting[/u] to destroy the gate.

And as Queen of Necrovion it's up to her what she deems against her land and what punishment fits, she does not currently have the king account, so she asked me to assist (As i would other Kings).

Oh, here's the attachment.

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Just to point out...

Grido: Attempted or not it doesn't matter, the fact is that those are very REASONABLE deeds that can send Adam into the prison right? Yay? Nay?

She has the right to do that yes, but look at the attachment, she took it personally, she even ask me in YiM about what the f*** am I doing. She "Ignores" what Adam was doing and yet she asked you to imprison Adam with no apparent reason but those stupid things you put into the Adam's description. You guys are too personal and pathetic. That is my OTHER character. Oh Peace what a big hypocrite you are, a champion.

Nuff' said. Shut my pie hole.

Edited December 12, 200916 yr by King Lazarus

And then you came back and you said MD id MD and RL is RL, right?

So I acted according to what I thought was best for MD. Now... you wish to bring up private conversations we had on YIM? How childish. MD is not YIM, is not private conferences there. MD is what we do within MD. And within MD, Adam Riddle is mentally ill as you told me as well so I locked him up to the asulym (prison).

What is wrong about this? I believe that when it comes to the well fare of the people of every land in MD, people who have mental issues should be locked up and treated accordingly.

Edited December 12, 200916 yr by DarkPriestess

Peace's reasoning, not mine, and considering she's the queen of necrovion, you dont expect her to take it personally?

Also, yim-wise, you (as a person) are in control of all your characters, so she is speaking to Adam via you on yim. Other character logic applies in game, not in yim.

This has set quite a poor precedent for those role players who wish to portray characters who behave outside the norm of society, whatever that turns out to be within the game of Magic Duel.


First, the character of Adam Riddle has been punished in a [u]real and tangible[/u] way for [i]role playing[/i] his actions. This is extreme and uncalled for. Had Adam Riddle been crude or coarse in his language in a public area, had he attempted to or succeeded in the abuse of various bugs or exploits, or had he acted against the rules of the game in some other way, I would support the character being banned. However, Adam Riddle role played [i]two[/i] lines of text, one indicating that he "destroyed" the gate and the second stating that he ran away. Peace, the character, [b]ignored[/b] his actions and stated that the gate was, in her word, "intact."
Just as those who 'chop down,' 'burn,' or otherwise 'destroy' the tree located on the Path of Loneliness role play their actions, they, along with everyone else, know that their actions will achieve naught. Nothing will happen to the tree because the tree is part of the scene. The same applies to anyone who wishes to "destroy" any part of any other scene. It cannot and will not happen unless Muratus del Mur wants it to.
A role played "crime" with a very real punishment does not make sense.


Furthermore, for Peace to state that "all mentally ill people should be locked up" is completely uncaring and ignorant. While I realize this is a game, attitudes like that do far more harm than anything else. Mental illness is a [u]real illness[/u], not something that one should be locked away for and punished because of it. Mentally ill people should receive various therapies and treatments--including medication if needed, yes--but not "locked away" and cared for poorly because they do not behave as another believes they ought. Whether it is Peace or her player saying this makes little difference: it is ugly and thoughtless in either case.


Finally, let it be known that I have absolutely no love for this player or any of his obnoxious and substandard characters and I do not care whether "Adam Riddle" is banned for six months or permanently. Yet, actions like these certainly call into question the judgment and critical thinking skills of those who institute a [i]real[/i] punishment for a [i]role played[/i] crime of this nature.

Edited December 12, 200916 yr by Watcher

I wish i could find the quote about this somewhere, but alas, it is late and i am vaguely tired.

The prison is not just a place for people who go against the game rules etc, in fact, currently if a player breaks the game rules Mur denies them access to MD rather than sending to prison. The quote i was looking for was about how the prison exists as a plane for players to roleplay in extension to the rest of the game, it is a roleplay area still, and as a roleplay prison, if you break the law of a land, you get ''arrested'' by the leader of that land and sent to prison.

A role played crime, has a role play prison for their actions.

[quote]Furthermore, for Peace to state that "all mentally ill people should be locked up" is completely uncaring and ignorant. While I realize this is a game, attitudes like that do far more harm than anything else. Mental illness is a [u]real illness[/u], not something that one should be locked away for and punished because of it. Mentally ill people should receive various therapies and treatments--including medication if needed, yes--but not "locked away" and cared for poorly because they do not behave as another believes they ought. Whether it is Peace or her player saying this makes little difference: it is ugly and thoughtless in either case.[/quote]

By all means, dear Watcher do not take this a personal attack to mentally ill people in general. It is not like this at all. This statement was only within the terms of MD. I do not care if one is demented or not, that is his/her problem and role if they chose to do this. But this is not the first time I saw Adam getting out of line and also insulting people badly. Whether it was in the chat or in PMs, PLs or even recently forum status.

I have associated with mentally ill people and very closely I must say. I know how much patience and understanding one needs to get along and help that person in any way. Trust me I do.

But in the case of Adam and MD I find it fitting to have a place for people who are rather disturbed and can harm others.

Prison is a place only for bug exploiters, bad language or whatever? Why is that? I always thought that prison was a place for a person to stay there and change as a 'punishment' for what he has done.

I could reduce his time there if that would please you, but I will not change my mind on this. Throw rocks at me, talk bad about me or whatever but this is my opinion and I stick to it.

P.S. If I place him there for Jazira's account abuse, for the alt abusing, for the multiple forum account abusing and others that I won't call names, would it make you all happier.

One question please, what land is Adam is from?

He isn't in any alliance, and isn't a citizen of any land, as far as I know, Udgard.

On topic: I really hope this doesn't become a trend. One or two times, sure, but if it happens lots, then there's something wrong.

I have to admit I'm a little bothered by a some of the things I've seen lately. Not so much that one is punished, but that another is not for a crime. More than once I've seen someone rewarded for "playing their role" when it was a negative event like stealing or hacking. Then others are punished for the same or lesser things even if it is their role. I'm not saying the punishment is wrong. I'd rather see things happen equally.

equity is non-existant in MD, the older you are the more things you can do, when you do it first you have better chances of coming off with it than if you do it second, if people like you you can do a lot of things you couldn't if you had the wrong enemies... all those factors make people unequal in MD, as simple as that

what i'm thinking about this:
-over here, they talk about drops to make the barrel overflow, pretty fitting here, Adam has been reported for foul language often enough, and his general insanity and ignorance of rules is well-known (obviously because he uses enough alts to not care if one gets a perma-ban or not)

-sending one of his accounts to prison, and even one of the most useless, is not even remotely a punishment for him

-Grido has been trusted with a ban-spell for a reason, so i guess we can trust his reasoning on why he should use his spell (admittedly, a prison-spell is of different scale than a movelock and toadspeak, but in general people always claim that everybody can use their powers as they wish, so why not Grido? talk about unequality...)

might have been wise to add a few screens of his usual verbal diarrhea, but not neccessary since it's known anyway... and seriously, do you expect people who used to hack accounts, create Furatus del Fur, Mur, Jack Willow and a few other accs of sheer idiocy to deceive newbies and on top of that having fine fun with insulting others will get some extra treats and ten warnings before their ban?
sorry to bring up all those forgotten things, but if there are any things you can do to lose all your extra strikes, he did them, and now he's out, simple as that...
(PS: that doesn't mean that those old offences are now forgotten and dealt with, i'm strongly supporting to hold players responsible with all accounts, and personally wait longily for the moment when he puts just one toe over the line with one of his valueable accounts... which is a reason for Grido having a ban-spell and me not having one >.<)

While it is obvious that Adam Riddle has several other accounts, what I have to ask is..
Does this place value in the role play of MD by making a real punishment for a character's role played actions?

I agree that Adam Riddle is a bit out of hand and is most probably a misunderstood character, but my question is this... if a character is mad, truly mad.. he does not know reality from fiction and just as any other mentally unstable person he may be prone to hallucinations.

The point is, it is a character defect and if the event is only in the character's mind- why should he be punished so severely for it if such an event did not actually take place? Why for six months?

My thought here is that this is a misunderstanding and miscommunication via role play.

Mind you, I do not 'like' the character Adam Riddle, but I am willing to give people a chance to explain themselves.

(Edit: I see that Adam Riddle has caused quite a bit of chaos in the game thus far, so perhaps your judgement on this was not entirely wrong, Peace.)

Edited December 12, 200916 yr by Amoran Kalamanira Kol

Well, let's just see it this way..

Action=reaction. The question just is how big it is, because humans don't react equally.

And..although this is unasked for, since jail does sound harsh, it isn't used for administrative reasons as much anymore it seems, because Mur would ban directly. Plus, you can still RP inside the prison. The madman just gets even more mad, if that is possible, talks to nonexistent people, etc. And when he gets out, he's even crazier, attempts it even more vile.

Also don't forget, you can even make forum polls to get out, aside from just escaping from jail.

One question, Was there nothing ever done about the Jazira thing? (punishment wise)

As far as I know, nothing was done.

[quote name='dst' date='12 December 2009 - 09:07 AM' timestamp='1260608862' post='49675']
As far as I know, nothing was done.
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Nothing was ever done, even though he insulted various members of the forum and "hacked" her account

If the ban was for that, i would be in favor, But personally with that many accounts, its pointless to ban one

Also, the ban seems rather harsh for some words, If you want to say the ban is for what he did previous, then why wasnt it done earlier? his guilt is undeniable

so what about simplyzero then? he tried to destroy deathmarrow, was hallucinating (seeing the whole place burn) and didnt seem to be quite sane as well. and what about arresting yrthilian? his crime against necro and the dynasty was worse i suppose.
where do u draw the line?

Bare in mind that is was not a personal attack to Adam's user. If it was I could just banned all of his chars. But I do not see this as banning. Prison is always attached with the idea of ban when on the other hand (as Grido and Shadowseeker pointed out) can be a place to roleplay. He can roleplay in the prison. He can still use his character if he wishes to. He can also come out of it, either by release or escaping and swear revenge in Necrovion if he wishes to. So be it.

I was not present when Simplyzero went crazy in the Deathmarrow. That was before my time and that was an ACTUAL storyline if I am not mistaken. As for Yrthilian, he was punished in his own way for what he did. And I was punished for I did in Golemus as well. In different ways that Adam was yet still. We all suffer the consequences of our actions.

If any of you wish for Adam to be releashed, create a poll elsewhere and go through with it. But I won't be the one who will set him free. Not unless he shows signs that his role is no threat to the community.

[quote]*Adam Riddle destroys the Gate*
(Remember MD is MD; RL is RL)
*Adam Riddle runs off*[/quote]
I think we have had several topics on godmodding. To state that this is roleplay is far fetched at best, but to state that this is roleplaying a madman is completely ridiculous. If only he had written *Adam Riddle [b]thinks[/b] he destroys the Gate*, it would have been consistent with playing a hallucinating character. All comments made by Thomas Riddle are based upon meta knowledge, dual login is impossible, so it is also impossible for him to have witnessed Adam's doings, yet he acts as if he knows everything.
The OOC comment is quite out of place. Someone with no apparent RP skills instructing a veteran player is ironic and sounds quite like a taunt. If such provocation is met, then that is ultimately caused by the provoker and does not warrant any sympathy.

Clarification: all of the above is based upon 'evidence' brought forth by Lazarus and to refute the idea that he was punished for his excellent roleplay.

prison is in necro if i remember right, isnt it? so i guess prison is under peace's rulership... mur stated about those ability usage... so i guess thats right too, but it wasnt ever said that for roleplaying one can be sent to jail, ofc in real situations, if ya dont belong to any land ya wont get protection from it, and then if ya act against some land that land will enforce its laws over ya, if ya are doing damage they can do anything thats in theirs power to stop ya, then if prison belongs to necro, then necro is only one that can jail ppl, other lands cant do it, in rping problem is when somebody does something against ya, ya dont have real power to stop them, in this case..peace didnt had her own power to send him to jail, but obviously she had right to do it... but then if she managed to do it then every land should be capable of doing it, also sending him to jail wasnt rped as much as i understood, and even if it was... why would police always succeed? i mean if every king of land gets spell for jailing, land can jail all its enemies by spell, and there wont ever be anyone that can do anything about it, it will be always land without conflicts and it will be peaceful and boring game, then wots the point of doing it? in real situations as i said kings have right to jail ppl, but they wont always succeed, prisoner can escape etc, this is just unrealistic, and also... grido has his jail spell for administrative use, not rp use, so i would call this as misuse of his powers in area that isnt in his jurisdiction, nobody has right to moderate roleplaying although rp shouldnt be extended to god moding

[quote name='Liberty4life' date='12 December 2009 - 04:22 PM' timestamp='1260634927' post='49704']
then if prison belongs to necro, then necro is only one that can jail ppl, other lands cant do it,
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Nop, it may be in necro, but any land could send anyone they want to prision

[quote name='Liberty4life' date='12 December 2009 - 04:22 PM' timestamp='1260634927' post='49704']
i mean if every king of land gets spell for jailing, land can jail all its enemies by spell, and there wont ever be anyone that can do anything about it, it will be always land without conflicts and it will be peaceful and boring game, then wots the point of doing it? in real situations as i said kings have right to jail ppl, but they wont always succeed, prisoner can escape etc, this is just unrealistic,
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You think that kings would get away with doing this? they would quickly lose the faith of the people and a revote would happen, this would be the sure'st way to lose kingship

[quote name='Liberty4life' date='12 December 2009 - 04:22 PM' timestamp='1260634927' post='49704']
and also... grido has his jail spell for administrative use, not rp use, so i would call this as misuse of his powers in area that isnt in his jurisdiction, nobody has right to moderate roleplaying although rp shouldnt be extended to god moding
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Kings will have power over people, they have not got their king accounts yet so i think that grido was within his rights to do what peace wanted. This is the first time something like this has been done, so lets see what happens.

Well.. he asked for it

The following is a quote from one of the Tossapit Rajatham (Ten Royal Virtues):

9. Khanti: Patience and tolerance. Without losing his temper, the ruler should be able to bear up hardships and insults. In any occasion he should be able to conduct himself without giving in-to emotions. He should be able to receive both bouquets and brickbats in the same spirit and with equanimity.

Does it mean anything? Who knows.

Awi

P.S. http://www.lankalibrary.com/Bud/dasa-raja-dhamma.htm