i think peace did conduct herself in an appropriate manner. she ignored it and smiled at the gates, she didnt get abusive. luckily she studied Rhajadharma from khalzazadhahd i think, pretty handy considering her position now!

i saw him trying to burn down the paper cabin!
(6 months is a LONG time, though)

*No offense now, adam riddle was a 'recurrent' offender. He has been accused of spamming multiple times, offensive PL entries, insulting in the chat, now he tried to burn the PC and the necro gates. All this happened again and again.
As much as i try to be understanding: yes, 6 months is a long time for godmodding like a SPOILER: [spoiler]moron[/spoiler], but considering everything that he has done until now, i assume the risk of saying that he [spoiler]FINALLY![/spoiler] got what he deserved.


*IMHO

I do not think this is about WHO punished him, whether Peace did a good thing or not. sooner or later, SOMEONE would have punished him. (Un)luckily Peace has been the first and now she gets criticized. I don't get it. I don't see the point in arguing about whether she respected Rhajadharma (is that how it's called?) or not. It's like saying 'why did the police arrest that guy who got drunk and broke the windows of the electronics shop?'
Seriously now...
What if Grido (just sayin) would've put riddle to jail? Would you have commented then?

Edited December 15, 200916 yr by Aeoshattr

Not lazy to read all of this, but isen't it sick to send such a men to prison for what he did? if he truly is mentally ill, what purpose will it have? Jail should ahve two purposes, to protect himself, and learn what he did wrong or two protect the community. well, he was just 'attempting, and if you can see he could not succeed, no harm to community would be brought.

for the second part, he will not be able to understand it, trough the fact that he is mentally ill. You should guide
him and explain, help him trough is illness and show him the 'light, thus what he did wrong.


Jailing this person would be unjust.., but whom am I to speak?

[b]Finally[/b], Kings act like I expect them to! Rash, impetuous and in love with their own power!

Yes, yes, Peace we all know that you could have banned all his characters if you wanted. But, my goodness, saying that mentally ill people need to "be locked up"?!

I think these words, uttered so casually, might hurt a larger percentage of the MD population more than someones attempt to destroy the Howling Gates.

Ok, all this is confusing... seriously...

For one I dont understand how a mental person (in this case character) should be put to jail for something he imagined that he did? As I understand the reason are transgressions that that character did before (or are we talking about transgresions that a player that owns the char did on other chars?) and this was just another drop in a completly filled bowl... If so, the char stil shouldnt be jailed for this drop but for those wich actualy ofend whatever (I dont know what char did or what it didnt do and I personaly dont care about that at this point). If mentaly ill then it should be done direfetly... may it be that someone whould become his therapst or similar.
This action only lets us know that no character who would be mentaly ill is realy allowed to exist in MD and therefore if you want such character you will be jailed for months to come. Mentaly ill people exist in real world and in my humble opinion should also be in this game since their actions could enchance the world and offer countless posibilities of role-playing/interacting with such char.

Or do we want MD to be a Fairy-tale land where 5-olds can play in sand? If that is the case then all wolfs, warewolfs, vampires and you name it what should be locked also. Would that be fair? No.

Anyhow, as I said I dont know what was happening in the past but this is how a person that doesnt know percives this specific issue. (In short be extra good, behave like a good little child and be all-together a pure angel of light)

Thank you.

EDIT: Forget to add... I have nothing agains any of the persons involved here and it is not about if I agree or disagree with the actions, I am still new here and finding my ways, it is just about how the actions might be understood.

Edited December 30, 200916 yr by LadyDawn

In my opinion this is a very rash action for genuine role play. If kings do what ever they want then most of the ppl here will not have variety and will not play roles of different order. Because they would end up in jail.

Six months in a game specially like MD is a very long time and should be given to a person who has committed a serious crime. I do not see a serious crime in this regard.

This is exactly the same as what happened to me with the DOJO and I do not see any difference with regard to this incident as well. I think he should be unbanned.

One question to peace:- How could you in your own mind decide whether a person is a threat to the MD community as a whole? coz you come from Necro and you have the same crooked evil mind set.

Necro doesn't mean evil, or crooked.

Here's a few reasons I see this as justified:

1. Adam Riddle, and his alts, are a general nuisance to many people

2. Adam Riddle has lots of alts to play on

3. Peace is queen. If you could do her job better than her, call for an election and see what happens

Edited January 1, 201016 yr by Pipstickz

this is as close as i get to a rant. it's not usually my style, so i aplogize for the lack of practice. i simply don't like that she gets so much one-sided flak for it.
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i wonder if you seriously fail to see this simple fact:
adam riddle acted according to his role. [b]so did peace[/b].

you moarn about a 'real' punishment for 'RP actions'. the punishment was according to her role, so it is RP punishment for RP actions. yes, it is a very tangible punishment.
now, may i ask you: if you think that your RP actions shouldn't cause an according reaction, what are they worth at all? you want your RP to be taken seriously? then be braced for when it is.


[size="3"]incident:[/size]
the 'attack' was an insult against necrovion and herself, and a newly risen-to-power queen shouldn't set a precedent that one get's away lightly with such an act.
she kept her countenance when publicly insulted and saw to it that the incident was made into an example that this was a very bad idea. a fairly good example of realpolitik. of course, a really 'evil' king/queen would have seen to it that there is no such tales-from-the-prison nonsense, but we in MD play nice

also, does anyone question what peace has done for his role developement? a windfall.

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reality of the crime:[/size]
it might have been "just in his mind", but we all know that ideas have power within MD. often things that were mere thoughts became very tangible, if you gave them time to gather power. and again, the action got it's relevance from the reaction. that's what seperates fooling around from RP.

as one representing a land, you can't afford to appear weak, especially since the shades might not be too happy seeing an affront against their land from some twisted human madman unpunished. real or not.

[quote name='pamplemousse' date='30 December 2009 - 03:03 AM' timestamp='1262138580' post='51378']
[b]Finally[/b], Kings act like I expect them to![/quote]
i know this was originally meant as critic, but what can i say: apparently it's what people expected all along. in that case: congratz on consistent roleplay peace



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i don't argue against her choice of wording being highly unfortunate, and the lenght of the sentence might be debatable, nonetheless it's consistent.

Sorry for breaking my word but I can't stand this crap talk anymore for such foolish people who has same reasoning as Peace's.

See, Adam Riddle is mentally ill and is hallucinating everytime, his actions originates in his [u]mind[/u]. Now here are some of the things that he did in his hallucinations:

Burned down the Paper Cabin
Destroyed the Gazebo of Equilibrium
Cuts down Bob
Destroyed the Marind Bell Gates
Killed all the creatures in the Aramory
Deals xxx amount of damage to the players that are online on the GoE
Killed some of the players
Made the Angien's Ferry sink

and finally, destroys the Howling Gates.

Now, the first eight deeds are ignored, maybe because they do not accept Adam's roleplay or they might know that Adam is mentally ill. Grido, the Golemus Inquisitor is there if my memory serves good, when Adam apparently destroyed the GoE, nothing was done against him even though he has done it in multiple times, because in their eyes, Adam's (or me Chad) roleplaying is something called a "God moding", every_single_time. God moding way of role playing is always being ignored, unless of course another God moder crossed the line.

In the most recent case, the Howling Gates, was destroyed by Adam, a mentally illed person, a psychotic, and hallucinates everytime. The first hallucination about the Howling Gates simply goes "Adam riddle destroys the Gate" and Peace says "ADAM!", Adam runs off to destroy yet another building, the Gazebo of Equilibrium. When he came back to the Howling Gates, he destroys it again, and Peace [b]ignores[/b] it, you know why? Because Adam is a God moder, and like what I have said, God moders are always ignored, not unless another God moder interferes, but Peace is not a God moder, she knows Adam's mind state and knows it very well. So, Adam came back and did that destroying thing, you can see it on the attachment, why don't you take a look?

Now she got pissed off, not Peace, but Irene herself, she crossed the boundaries of role playing and I truly believe she took it personally, 100% of certainty in my mind she did. She imprisoned Adam because he is a "THREAT TO NECROVION" because he is "MENTALLY ILL", now tell me, do you find this reason just fine? And her explanation was mentally illed people should be locked up. Why? Maybe because she ran out of valid reasons and just thought of a very lame excuse. Hmmm that is very convincing, but come on, she should've not pretend that she has her own wisdom, she is very personal and abusive of the powers that has given to her, she DOES NOT deserve her current position, she have won the election just because she is the non-biological daughter of Khalazdad and people voted her for that very reason to continue the dynasty, a very stupid reason of the people who voted her, IF that's their reason.

At this moment, I don't care anymore what will happen to Adam, because he is dead, I don't really know if he was killed or just died on the Gazebo of Chaos.

A few quotations:

[quote]i know this was originally meant as critic, but what can i say: apparently it's what people expected all along. in that case: congratz on consistent roleplay peace [/quote]

Indeed... Very consistent as I see this will happen again if you pissed Irene off.

[quote]you moarn about a 'real' punishment for 'RP actions'. the punishment was according to her role, so it is RP punishment for RP actions. yes, it is a very tangible punishment.[/quote]

Punishment for? Being mentally ill, hallucinating, and a "Threat to Necrovion"? A crazy guy is a threat? Come on, you can do better than that...

[quote]1. Adam Riddle, and his alts, are a general nuisance to many people

2. Adam Riddle has lots of alts to play on

3. Peace is queen. If you could do her job better than her, call for an election and see what happens[/quote]

Oh, another pretender, once a spammer but now a pretender.

1. Nuisance? Very well it's true, but maybe for some pathetic and childish people like you Pipstickz.
2. Oh yeah, I have TONS of alts, but I think 70% of them got banned, and I treat and value my alts as I value my mains, and I wouldn't get this pissed off if Adam is "just" another alt.
3. Woot woot! I am so gonna wait for that to happen, I'd prefer Jester because he has a plot and activities that he prepared for months, unlike the one who's currently sitting on her toilet bowl.

If you're gonna use my previous deeds like hacking accounts etc against me, then don't, you'll just look stupid because those are not the issue here, this is about Peace imprisoning Adam for being mentally ill...

If you take this personally again, Irene, then I am expecting that someday, the badge beside Lazarus' name will be gone. A wonderful badge and alliance that is formed under the Dark Lands of Necrovion that, quite frankly, leads by the undeserving and Queen.

Edited January 2, 201016 yr by Lazarus

ive watched this thread from the beginning and never really thought much about it until now.

I really don't care about wether it was wrong or right to imprison adam. Nor do I care wether it was done as a personal grudge that PEACE has against you.

Keep in mind that Irene is Peace. I am very good friend with Irene and she plays Peace as herself for the most part. This

"Now she got pissed off, not Peace, but Irene herself, she crossed the boundaries of role playing and I truly believe she took it personally"

Is a ridiculous statement. I as well as most anyone here can vouch that Peace stays in RP very well. I as well as all others who play their character as outreaches of their own identity react in game as they would feel IRL. So lets watch where we poke sticks.

"3. Woot woot! I am so gonna wait for that to happen, I'd prefer Jester because he has a plot and activities that he prepared for months, unlike the one who's currently sitting on her toilet bowl."
"A wonderful badge and alliance that is formed under the Dark Lands of Necrovion that, quite frankly, leads by the undeserving and Queen."

As far as these statements go, how many alliance in any game have you run? Being one who has played MMOs for 18 years, ran many guilds on games much larger and fast paced then this one, can tell you trying to run anything in a community this small is no easy task. As any other alliance leader will tell you, especially during these times of low rp and population activity, things move at a slow pace in this world. There are quite a few alliances and lands, and few people to occupy them. Veterans that have played this game long before you came along have seen days when MD was booming with activity and almost daily you were sure to find something extraordinary going on. Now they are far and few between. All of our hopes are that the game will build back up, and we can once again have a boom of activity.

One way it will not happen is if all this slandering, negativity, and forum bashing continues. I do not blame you for your plea or your case statement. I do blame you for not properly thinking out certain parts of your case. Another scenario of foot-in-mouth disease. One that we all catch from time to time.

[quote name='pamplemousse' date='30 December 2009 - 02:03 AM' timestamp='1262138580' post='51378']
[b]Finally[/b], Kings act like I expect them to! Rash, impetuous and in love with their own power!

Yes, yes, Peace we all know that you could have banned all his characters if you wanted. But, my goodness, saying that mentally ill people need to "be locked up"?!

I think these words, uttered so casually, might hurt a larger percentage of the MD population more than someones attempt to destroy the Howling Gates.
[/quote]
Frankly, my dear Pamplemousse, if your precious Jester did something like that you would have [b]no[/b] objection at all. So your opinion of all others does not matter to me at all, simply because you were never fond of me ever since the first day in MD. For the past year I have taken insults from your side and yet I never reacted in public against you, never let Irene's personal opinion about you affect you or others. I simply did not care to deal with it because it was not worth it.

I was given some priviledges and I use them accordingly, I have absolutely no reason to apologise for my actions expect to those above me. Deal with it.


[quote name='Lazarus' date='02 January 2010 - 01:26 AM' timestamp='1262395617' post='51623']
Now she got pissed off, not Peace, but Irene herself, she crossed the boundaries of role playing and I truly believe she took it personally, 100% of certainty in my mind she did.
[/quote]
For your information, I keep Peace and Irene seperate otherwise Peace would be much more different in the game than she is. After all it is called roleplay. In any aspect you wanna take it, it is called roleplay. If you wanna give me roleplaying advices, feel free to do so. After all, I never roleplayed before I join the MD community and I am still learning how to do it everyday.

[quote]
She imprisoned Adam because he is a "THREAT TO NECROVION" because he is "MENTALLY ILL", now tell me, do you find this reason just fine? And her explanation was mentally illed people should be locked up. Why? Maybe because she ran out of valid reasons and just thought of a very lame excuse. Hmmm that is very convincing, but come on, she should've not pretend that she has her own wisdom, she is very personal and abusive of the powers that has given to her, she DOES NOT deserve her current position, she have won the election just because she is the non-biological daughter of Khalazdad and people voted her for that very reason to continue the dynasty, a very stupid reason of the people who voted her, IF that's their reason.
[/quote]
If you believe that I am not doing my job right, or even that I do not deserve the crown feel free to ask and gather votes for another election. I really do not mind. If I am to lose the crown because of what I did to you, then so be it. I will accept my 'defeat' with my head high and won't rant or whine about it like others did (whether it was for elections or other matters in MD).

[quote]
If you take this personally again, Irene, then I am expecting that someday, the badge beside Lazarus' name will be gone. A wonderful badge and alliance that is formed under the Dark Lands of Necrovion that, quite frankly, leads by the undeserving and Queen.
[/quote]
Had I taken this personally again, yes I would might as well ask for all your alts including your main to be banned. But I won't. Lazarus is part of Sentinels, his role is part of Necrovion. If he is to lose his badge it would be either because he wished to lose it willingly or because the NS leader had issues with him or because he acted against his Queen. Not because the Queen has issues with his user instead of his roleplaying character.

One last thing. I was thinking to reduce the sentence if that makes you and all of those who support you happy but I now I am having second thoughts about it. My desicion is final.

And a reminder to all of you before I finish this post.
[quote name='Nex' date='01 January 2010 - 11:33 PM' timestamp='1262388785' post='51611']
it might have been "just in his mind", but we all know that [b]ideas have power within MD[/b]. often things that were mere thoughts became very tangible, if you gave them time to gather power. and again, the action got it's relevance from the reaction. that's what seperates fooling around from RP.
[/quote]

I seriously think that there should be something like a high council or a mechanism like a court. Because then the majority of the ppl would decide the punishment and the duration. Not a single person.

Then this would be fair coz we cannot say they took it personally.

Peace you did not answer my question yet

[quote name='Synex' date='01 January 2010 - 07:18 PM' timestamp='1262373533' post='51600']
One question to peace:- How could you in your own mind decide whether a person is a threat to the MD community as a whole? coz you come from Necro and you have the same crooked evil mind set.
[/quote]

The idea you have of Necrovion is false as well as the idea you have for myself is. If our way of acting is evil to you, then I could as well say that (for instance) Golemus is evil as well as it is the land that had caused pain to Necrovion by having two wars already brought upon us in the past. I acted based of what I thought of a treat in Necrovion and then to the MD community. And by MD community I do not mean the users of all roleplaying characters but the characters themselves and their roles.

[quote name='Synex' date='02 January 2010 - 12:09 AM' timestamp='1262408956' post='51634']
I seriously think that there should be something like a high council or a mechanism like a court. Because then the majority of the ppl would decide the punishment and the duration. Not a single person.
[/quote]
This idea has been brought up before and, for a time, it seemed that a court of some sort would be a way of determining "justice" for those accused and their accusers. However, there were several problems with this idea.


First, those who were on the court itself: It was to be Muratus del Mur at the start, whose decisions, as always, would be final. The problem needed to be sufficiently complex or significant for him to address it, though, and so far, none has taken any such case to him. This incident would not be worthy of his attention and should it have been presented to him, it would have lead to a severe punishment not only for the Adam Riddle character, but for the player as well.
I believe that, later, a membership of the court was to be chosen, but this never occurred, either.

Before this, the one "trial" in the history of Magic Duel was a mockery of any court proceedings with which I am familiar. It was chaotic and, in the end, pointless. The accused did not take the event seriously while the "magistrates" had already decided he was guilty. If the ones holding the trial have already determined guilt, what is the point? If the one on trial does not care that he has been placed there, what is the point?


Second, popular opinion is never the good basis for any action that will determine the fate of another. Having "the majority of the ppl" choose anything is possibly the worst kind of "justice" there is. History has shown, time and time again, that the minority will suffer at the tyranny of the majority when the majority is given a chance to determine its fate.

This same holds true here within this game. The majority of people here dislike Adam Riddle's [i]player[/i] and for good reasons, too. He has not been proven to be worthy of anyone's trust and has lied on multiple occasions and for extremely pathetic reasons. He even invented the death of a supposedly real person and started another account to 'play on in his honor' when the truth of the matter is that he made bad choices for the first account and did not wish to continue playing it. Actions like that speak to the character of the player and they do not speak well at all.

However, as is happening in this instance, he has been judged on all that he has done in the past and [i]not[/i] on what his character did. The same would happen to others who chose to play outside of the mainstream flow of the game. He, and several others, would not be allowed a fair trial because they have reputations, well deserved at that, of being [u]people[/u]--not characters--who deserve some kind of punishment.


With the advent of the "Kings of the Lands," however, no such court is needed. Each player is allowed to determine the behaviors they wish to see and how justice in their land is administered. There is no longer need for a court system as the kings are the court. As it has been made obvious repeatedly, they are the last word in law. What they determine is all there is to know. They can be beneficent and kind or they can be cruel and tyrannical. There is nothing to be done about it.

Edited January 2, 201016 yr by Watcher

Let us all keep in mind also that Kings and Queens can be overthrown in MD alot easier than IRL. If enough people are against the ideals of what they are doing, or think they are a "tyrant" they can be kicked out of their position and another in their place. I would be willing to bet a lot of money that if we were to hold elections again right now, the same verdict would occur.

Do we also forget that Necrovion i rather "evil" in most people's eyes. So many dark overtones that it can't be put many other ways. So you expect the ruler of the lands to be a sweet and loving person? Fair is for good people, and the fools who think everyone should be treated equally. It's a game not real life. There are those who are much better at gaming then others. There are those who are much better at quests then others. That makes them better then other people period. Equality has no place in games, in fact its the reason why so many of the mainstream MMO's like World of Warcraft and Warhammer no longer have me as a player.

[u][b]Newsflash:[/b][/u]
Adam has recently been found, presumed dead, his spirit currently residing at the Gazebo of Chaos. The cause of his death, and indeed, whereabouts of his body are as yet undetermined.

As such, he cannot be freed from Jail, as he is not there.

[quote]ive watched this thread from the beginning and never really thought much about it until now.

I really don't care about wether it was wrong or right to imprison adam. Nor do I care wether it was done as a personal grudge that PEACE has against you.

Keep in mind that Irene is Peace. I am very good friend with Irene and she plays Peace as herself for the most part. This

"Now she got pissed off, not Peace, but Irene herself, she crossed the boundaries of role playing and I truly believe she took it personally"

Is a ridiculous statement. I as well as most anyone here can vouch that Peace stays in RP very well. I as well as all others who play their character as outreaches of their own identity react in game as they would feel IRL. So lets watch where we poke sticks.[/quote]


First of all, I know very well the Irene is Peace and I know Irene well enough to base my judgments upon. But to me, Irene's character has a different mind set in my very own opinion, you create a character with all of his characteristics and a mind set, so don't go lecturing me about these stuffs MMO veteran, or whatever stuff you are claiming. That is why I separate Irene from Peace because to me they are very different entities.


[quote]Is a ridiculous statement. I as well as most anyone here can vouch that Peace stays in RP very well. I as well as all others who play their character as outreaches of their own identity react in game as they would feel IRL. So lets watch where we poke sticks.[/quote]

Now, MMO lord, you are saying that one can hold his/her character very well without something personal happening? I'd bet your ass if I do something personal to you right now you'll do as what Peace did to Adam. We're only humans, not a God to not make any mistakes, and if ever this is a mistake that was done by Peace, she would free Adam again, but she did not do that, I see this nothing more than a personal matter and I don't know what the F is her problem with me. And Phantasm, before you act like an all-knowing retard again, I haven't done something personal to Irene, and yet this is what she did to me as a player, by imprisoning Adam with the reason of just being mentally ill and a threat to Necrovion. A very absurd reason with no valid explanation.


[quote][b]DarkPriestess:[/b] And a reminder to all of you before I finish this post.
[b]Nex[/b], on 01 January 2010 - 11:33 PM, said:
it might have been "[u]just in his mind[/u]", but we all know that [u]ideas have power within MD[/u]. often things that were mere thoughts became very tangible, if you gave them time to gather power. and again, the action got it's relevance from the reaction. that's what seperates fooling around from RP.[/quote]

Clearly, this fool doesn't know the difference between character roleplaying. He said "just in his mind" which I would assume that he means Adam's mind because we are talking about his mental problem. So Nex, do you mean if a Godmoding character destroys something [b]in his mind[/b] it would really happen? If that's the case then Bob the Tree is nothing more than a fire log now and the Paper Cabin doesn't exist anymore? Is that what you mean? Or you mean in [b]my[/b] own mind? Because I already know it and [b]I know it very well[/b], and I find your post a very stupid and irrelevant one. You and your supporter clearly have the same mind set - a rather stupid one...

You guys are the ones who claims to have not holding a grudge on any of the players that are against you, come on be a real person, you are just fooling yourselves. Like the Leprichaun looking guy here, that when I confessed about my previous deeds, removed the drawing on his papers because he feels "dirty".

Remember this?
[quote]*shakes his head* I feel dirty just having pictures that you drew on my papers.[/quote]

Oh come on Phanty, stop pretending to be a very honorable guy and stuffs. You are just here to contradict people's opinions even if that does not matter to you, like this issue. If ever you don't care at all, you would've not replied to this thread and feel good about yourself, because you are not impressing someone with your trash and nonsense "opinions".


[quote]However, as is happening in this instance, [u]he has been judged on all that he has done in the past and [b]not[/b] on what his character did[/u]. The same would happen to others who chose to play outside of the mainstream flow of the game. He, and several others, would not be allowed a fair trial because they have reputations, well deserved at that, of being people--not characters--who deserve some kind of punishment.[/quote]
Indeed.

If ever you don't believe that Adam is dead, here's a screenshot:

[attachment=1400:dead.jpg]

I don't know why he was killed, because maybe he's spamming in the Prison? Which I would find a very unreasonable excuse? Prison is there for people like, Adam - if that makes you all happy, but there are no rules that one cannot do stupid things there. Don't tell me there is such a rule? Ah what the hell...

Haven't you heard the tales of prison?
People die there all the time, specially when they annoy someone...

Why would redneck not go and stab you with his toothbrush while you sleep? Why shouldn't fiju stuff a dead rat down your throat and watch you suffocating?
You know, someone seems to have understood that all your actions are only happening in your mind, but that doesn't means that other people in Arkham Asylum are hallucinating when they kill someone else, it's really as easy as that...

Most people who log in down there are mp5, therefore they can easily crush you even with one hand tied on their back, and, you know, if i was imprisoned with someone like yourself, i'd crush your skull simply for the sake of silence

Excellent,

So now that this insane topic has been resolved and Adam is dead, should/can a moderator close this topic?

Cutler

I believe this to be more important than just a "Adam goes to jail then dies" thread. This is about rights, law and monarchy.

Many things have been said on the matter regarding the imprisonment and death of Adam Riddle. I want to say only a couple of things ( I woke up too late - for solid reasons, I believe), since the situation is almost history... but other problems might appear in the future.

I saw various pro and contra opinions spreaded all over this three pages thread. Some said a mental illness shouldn`t be treated with the pills of a dungeon and gave as alternative guidance and help. I want to see one character that wishes to play the part of a nurse for ill-minded characters. There`s none, I am sure of that.

Others say that a crazy guy is no threat. Au contraire, my friends, they are the first in the frontline, the first to be feared, the first who can drive masses insane. One rotten apple is enough to make a foul cart.

But this is enough, others are experts in piloctomy (splitting hairs, that is), not I. Me says only this: noone drew a code of conduct for the Kings and Queens of MD and noone knows their exact prerogatives. It is my opinion the monarchs are [b]free to ask and to enforce[/b] whatever punishment they wish over specific characters. That is the appanage of a monarch. To do whatever he or she pleases inside his/her own land. They were chosen, they were bestowed with the responsabilities of a monarch, they should have comparative rights. Awiyya`s excerpt is purely theorethical, and there are few monarchs in the known history to have ruled through that specific idea, of being humbler than their subjects.

Now, since Adam`s action (be it imaginatory or real, RP or not, doesn`t really matter when it comes to the will of a monarch) took place over the Gates of Necrovion, I say Queen Peace [b]was in her own right[/b] and jurisdiction to ask for whatever punishment she felt like. One would say that happened in the No Man`s Land. The name itself points out that none and all have jurisdiction there.

Adam wasn`t a citizen of no land. Now, that`s exactly why citizenship exists, in my opinion. So that one character can appeal to the monarch of that land and ask for help or clemency. Only then should a debate take place, negotiations between factions, threats, actions, whatever. I believe at some point Mur should force everyone inside MD (one simple option at login) to choose their land, be it even No Man`s Land. Everyone should belong to a place.

It is wrong to make such problem like the one at hand in this thread (a precedent, nonetheless, that`s why it should be dealt with utmost care and not let fall out of memory) an issue of moral, humanitarian, social, personal or partisan debate, when it is all about law, here. [b]And monarchs make their own laws[/b], until someone else says what is and what is not in the power of a monarch. You hate the laws, bring down the monarch. But bear this in mind: rebellion against the laws is not the same thing as rebellion against the monarch. And when you have no law, anything else is better.

A ruler of Necrovion saying that mentally ill people should be locked up is so amazingly hypocritical that Peace must be insane to have said it. She also said that all mentally ill people should be locked up, therefore Peace was asking to go to Jail. I think that in the interest of fairness Grido needs to send Peace to jail for at least as long as Adam Riddle was there.

Also, Khalazdad had three personalities, which I think counts as being crazy, so Peace apparently thinks Khalazdad should go to Jail?

[quote name='Jester' date='05 January 2010 - 09:50 PM' timestamp='1262728234' post='51945']
A ruler of Necrovion saying that mentally ill people should be locked up is so amazingly hypocritical that Peace must be insane to have said it. She also said that all mentally ill people should be locked up, therefore Peace was asking to go to Jail. I think that in the interest of fairness Grido needs to send Peace to jail for at least as long as Adam Riddle was there.Also, Khalazdad had three personalities, which I think counts as being crazy, so Peace apparently thinks Khalazdad should go to Jail?
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Insulting, bitter and annoyed. What a Jesterific post.

Personally i dont think she meant that, but if she does i will gladly line up for jail.

But it would be useful if you were to clarify the original point Peace, so that people may not draw wrong conclusions. Unless you meant what you said... then i will refer you to my third sentence.

[quote name='Chewett' date='05 January 2010 - 03:18 PM' timestamp='1262729890' post='51947']
Insulting, bitter and annoyed. What a Jesterific post.

Personally i dont think she meant that, but if she does i will gladly line up for jail.

But it would be useful if you were to clarify the original point Peace, so that people may not draw wrong conclusions. Unless you meant what you said... then i will refer you to my third sentence.
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The fact that you don't understand what I'm saying is troubling. There are many, many quotes about Necrovion and madness.

Umm I would just like to point out peace is acting towards Adams actions and not towards the actual controller.If she was then lazarus would not be a sentinal now would he?

Why is this reopened? Points have been made and better understood, there is no point in reopening this thread for another arguments.