Grido

I did have something written here, but Guybrush said it better. I do accept that the vote was final, btw, just stating my point.

Mur, i split it, cos i wouldnt mind more debating on the original topic and this might confuse things there I like the points /2 for land and popularity, it helps give extra points to those who might actually know what they're talking about. The issue i had with the voting score for the argument bit was that, a lot, i counted ~18 times i wrote this (yes some used other arguments as well), said for yrth to stay because he had the right to exile me, which wasnt an issue at all when talking about deposing him, i even said a load of times in the forum about how i fully accept that he had the right to, and that it was just the catalyst for me starting matters, not a point for it. So while i get that you werent rating the votes themselves, when people use something which isnt actually a point, as a point, i think they should get less / no points. This goes for both sides actually, i noticed a few peope voting against him in a few cases for silly reasons, which should probably have been discounted. If that makes sense, anyway.

As far as i'm aware, there aren;t arent any implemented treasuries yet. Rest i can't give an answer to

oh don't get me wrong, i realise that the decision is final, i'm not trying to overturn the decision, i can still argue/debate with people about it though, i just wish the people who had voted had either actually read the thread, and thus found points against their arguments, or actually posted here on the thread so i could do this before they voted, i saw very few points that were not raised, and put down, at least once in the thread. So i'm highly disapointed in them.

Oh wow i think i got bored. Most of the responces to the voting i make here have already been made at least once by someone in the thread somewhere, i write them all clearly here, to try and teach you all to actually bother READING. For my responces to make sense, it's best to read the voting responces Mur put a download link for [url="http://magicduel.invisionzone.com/topic/5216-diposing-yrthilian-as-king-of-golemus-golemicarum/page__view__findpost__p__43945"]in his post here[/url]. I have only posted responces to the votes in favour of Yrth remaining as king(first numerical column of 1), i welcome someone to do the same for those against Yrth(-1), but respond to all the points against him please, as i (think i) have done for those for him. As leader, you should leave emotions out of matters, and decide based on the best interests for the land. The only show of supporting Peace happened after i was exiled, and she held the GG alliance. I did not support her in any way shape or form before that point, not taking an alliance is a show of neutrality, not of being on the opposing side. Regardless of all that, my actions have nothing to do with yrth as king, and i never argued against getting exiled. If the only reason you didnt vote against him was because you couldnt think of another candidate, then did you consider that it isnt neccesary for there to be a king? The proposal for another King by other people wasn't set in stone. 1.Yup, I said as much. 2.If cold and calm means going off to destroy Khalazdad's soul for revenge.... 3.Backs up my responce to 2, and give her a chance? Not so much, Peace wasnt able to be online just before or for a fair amount of hours after the battle, which he knew, he '''backed this up''' by saying Peace took over GG alliance whilst he was offline also. Which i don't think is equal. 4.They went into war because they were told to, people follow their king because they are worried about what happens if they go against his wishes (General, not specific to this situ). Sorry, i think even Yrth would go against the ''one of the most active and got action in the game." bit. No, war is not a bad thing, but it must be done for the right reasons, and the people must want it. If you think there should not be a king, why vote for Yrth to remain as one? The voting Mur put up asked if you had a candidate for another king, but it did not mean that there would have to be another one, just provided the option for it. Again, this wasnt a petition to elect a new ruler. Yrth has been King for a long time now, not sure why you're speaking in the future sense about him being "a productive and active leader of GG". Again, nowhere did i say he didnt have the right to exile me, in fact i stated several times that he did, and that that wasnt a point for removing him from power. Again about exiling not used as a point. The one that's clearly Yrth's comment doesnt really have anything TO refute, so, yeah. Exiling not used as a point. Myself, Burns and Bunny now have control of GG alliance. As for civil war, well, we have control of the army alliance of Golemus, so did we win? Err...yeah....game more active but bad ruler = good? Mmmm, no. Ever so slightly confused with this one, but i'll try anyway. Which majority is he protecting when he burnt Khalazdad's soul, and got control over his body? Again, the petition was not to elect another, the "powerful backer" or Metal Bunny as he later posted in the topic (which i doubt you read the rest of), states later that he would be doing it anyway, even without getting kingship themselves, and that regardless of anything that happened after, wanted Yrth deposed. My loyalty isnt under question here, it's about Yrth as a king. Again, no point made about my exile being wrong. And read the thread properly to see the points against him as king, trust me, there are a lot, which i wont list here for time issues. O.k. to clarify there, I DID NOT give peace the GG alliance, you seem to have the impression that I did. Revolution in the real life sense, little impossible to do it any other way than we have done. Seriously, i'm getting fed up of reading this, i made no statement saying my exile was wrong! 1)Fine, i'll go for that. 2)If what the leader thinks is best for the land, actually isnt best for the land, the people rise up and rebel against him. Oh wait, we did. And for your final point, please actually read the information given before posting, the powerful backer was Metal Bunny, he said so, yes this is considered a revolt. No i made no point about exiling being wrong. I stated several times i didn't want to be leader of Golemus. I also said about the exile being the catalyst for me starting this. No real point given here to go against the points made in the thread. 1.Nothing about me exiled. 2.eh 3.Decision based solely on a point that has no relevance, awesome. Once more, no point about my exile. Kings through history have been deposed as well, i see no point to your bit. Not going to argue against personal opinions, they're yours, you have a right to them, the thread has however stated against your opinions. Again, no point about exile made. The people (at least in part) disagree with his decision, and so they rebel, hence the voting. Eh, again with the exile bit. Lib(it's kinda obvious it's him), I know you've read a little of the thread at least, so i know that you must have read at least once that i never said anything about the exile being wrong. Aaaaaand that justifies your end of the war and adds some pointless bits which add nothing to your argument, nothing argumenting for Yrth there really. Kinda have gathered an army....no practical way or attacking a group of people wihtout an ally logo though....whilst we have one. I think i covered that already though. No point made. Tell me how, and I will. Killing is a little harsh when he still plays, and how to force him to step down, other than what we're doing? Again, no real point here, the "perceived will of God" would, i guess, be Mur. He allowed the vote, so that the will of the people would decide. The kind of monarchy Yrth ran, didnt consult anyone. More than just myself and MB posted in the thread, and it was the main people who spoke out. Think i conceeded about the spies bit earlier. Insert about exile not being a point here. "as always Peace ignored it" not sure where the 'as always bit' is from...but then it's not for me to talk about her. Yrth threatened before the battle, she said she would give it back after the battle but not to him. He gave a deadline of an hour after the battle, which he knew she couldn't make, and before i start rambling i point to read the thread again. Never said about exiling Yrth, i said i didnt want him exiled, just removed from power and access removed. Exiled would indicate he wasnt allowed to be in the land, which he would've been. The cube request thing i said had already been turned down by Mur, on the day that the voting started i think. My starting efforts to depose Yrth had nothing to do with any member of Necrovion, or the Dynasty, it was my decision, and yes, it was sparked by my exile, but by no means was that listed as a reason to depose Yrth, just as a reason to look at everything he's done, and him as an unfit leader. "its what u want to see in a king. a king that is not a pushover that doesnt allow things that go against his will" So, Yrth saying statements after the start of the voting which sounded like he wanted pity? Also the new king thing was never a certainty, so saying about keeping Yrth cos nobody else can do the job is a non-point imo. Nice argument though, i can see why you got a 9 for it. Leave him in power because we dont want future monarchs to feel threatened? Even though you understand Yrth "erred"? Again a future monarch was not a certainty anyway. This is a rebellion/war against him, i see no other practical way to do it. Exile not point. The citizens were fearful, i would presume, to stand up and say so for themselves, i cannot speak for others. Weak king, best for the land.....i doubt what he did with Khalazdad's soul could be construed as best for the land. I hope it's a learning experience too. ""I like him and he\'s kind one "" Seriously? that's you're voting point? ""because healways answer my few questions "" *coughs* Huh? First, what power? Show respect and "fight that fight" Voting happened for lack of a better option. Yrth should stay king because there isnt anyone else who should be king? I repeat that the king thing was a seperate thing to be debated, an option would've definitely been for there to be no king. Kinda exiling point again....not sure what the proper channels you refer to are though. Being a member of an alliance for a long time, doesnt make him a fit king. Saying that Yrth shouldnt be deposed cos after would be a hassle? eh, not even going to repeat myself on that one. What? You like war so Yrth should stay king? Should i bother here? Dictator is fine, but people can still go against him should he be a bad ruler, so non-point. Insert about kings having history of being deposed, exile not being a point. Rest of it is a bit confusing to me. Exile not a point again? And not necceserily having a future king. Especially me, i would say i led the rebellion, and i said repeatedly that i didnt want to rule. No other way i know of to remove Yrth as king, killing is too harsh for a character he's built up. You voting at all adds points, so yeah, at least has a part bearing on the final outcome. Eh, no real point given. No idea what you're on about here. You're right Yrth did (and does) have the right to make his decisions, but should he make too many bad ones, people object. Not sure how i was meant to go about that, I saw this method as the only viable way to officially overthrow Yrth as king. F*** that's a long vote text, anyway, onwards i go. O.k. Exile non-point. Reason for declaring war been refuted in forum i think, but regardless, attacking someone to defend your land which hasnt actually been moved against...Traitor i let. Cube, stated previously, gave an impossible task to Peace, as she wasnt online, for a stupid reason (listed previously). Shadowseeker i believe stated for both sides, rather than for one or the other. Eh, seriously, get a time frame, i wrote the doc and after the voting started a load more people voted with Yrth, and also against him. Quoting the state of the thread after i posted the petition makes no sense. As for your "It is well known that not everyone frequents the forum and thus there are posts lacking both for and against Yrthilian." The voting that carried any weight were done in game, and by using the system, you should have realised that when you said this. The voting on the forum showed my points to be correct, and that the exact same number of people who class themselves as Golemus citizens voted both for and against Yrth, i would say the point would hold fairly good ground, even if the voting did not end the way i wanted. Not sure why you seperated those two paragraphs up, you made the same points after eachof them. Yrth consulted his allies KoB, yes, or more specifically, him and Lib talked and they decided to attack Necro, but a king should be aware of what his people want, if he continues to do actions against what his people want, or without consulting them at least in part, before making his decision, people will stand against him. I did not disobey Yrth, because yrth never asked me to do anything in this instance, if he had asked me to do something, then i would have done it. I was in the alliance at the time, so yeah, actually i would know, and he didnt. All of those i have spoken to from the alliance knew nothing to very little about the war coming, until it was announced. Yeah, i gave up the point about the traitor already, i don't believe it was because they were friends though, just personal opinion my end though. Yeah, someone who so very clearly opposes Yrth's reign like that probably should get exiled, not doing so is asking for trouble. Note; speaking against is different to opposing in my book. Replied to the first bit previously. Not sure how attempting to destroy Khalazdad's soul, or actually gaining control of him, would remedy the situation, it'd be a very obvious reaction that Peace would have when she found out, and could very likely cause the alliance to be destroyed,as it turned out it didnt, but it did lead to the Golemus people not getting the alliance back as soon as they would have otherwise. Peace stated several times that the alliance would have been given back after the battle, and wouldve been if Yrth had actually given her a practical chance to give it back. He gave her a single hour after the battle, for which she was offline, and was for many hours before the battle also, for the lame reason of him being offline when the alliance was taken from him, which is a stupid reason. Yes, she was told previously that he would do it, to which she replied that she would hand it back after the battle. The Golemus people suffered because of his revenge, he got angry at Peace taking the alliance and taking some of Wodins creatures for the traitor (understandable), and took revenge by taking Khalazdad's soul, this was for his own motives, not for the Golemus people, and not for the land, it benefitted neither. Exile non-point. Cube thing got turned down, and i said so in the forum. "I do not see why Yrthilain would need to relinquish ... his powets if he were deposed, it does not reflect his status as king." And yet i lost mine when i was demoted from second in command, i do not use that as a point for deposing him, just a comparison after losing positions, i lost my Golemus powers/access when i got demoted, i figured to be equal, he should as well. In MD it is practically impossible to stage a coup any other way than by voting, if there was an practical alternative, then i would have done it. Awesomely long responce, loved responding to it, i get why you got a 9 for it. Exile non-point Exile non-point btw, 19 times i said a variation of Exile not being a point, tempting to count how many times in the entire thread i've said it as well.... oh yeah, and this is me not conceeding defeat either EDIT: To point out, i finished writing this just before 6am, so if i appear grumpy or annoyed, other than at the repeatedly writing "exile non-point" then it's because i was sleep deprived.

I would believe that ONLY the entries by the system were counted. Also i'd like to say i'm disapointed to say the least that the majority of votes in favour of Yrth remaining as king were stating it because Yrth had the right to exile me, which i fully agree with(and i said this MANY times), he was (and is) king, and I was not using as a point for him being deposed. I just wish some of the voters would actually read sometimes. To clarify; this is disapointment at the voters, not at Mur.

[quote]k.. i really hate to have to write about this above all in a festival period...[/quote]Not to sound too harsh, but i dont really believe you here. [quote] First of all can anyone explain to me who is this Grido person? dis he invent this game? is he the C.E.O. of in-game story development? is he an owner of this game? Does he own this forum? Does he own the server? Is he official representative of the MD community?[/quote]I am me, I am manager of the LHO's and I enforce some of the game rules. I make no claims that i invented or own the game or the forum. I am a moderator on the forum, as well in the game. For pedantic sake; Active today: 768 (794 in 24h) Active in 48h: 1091 And as part of my job, yes, I have to enforce the some of the rules on behalf of the player base so that their playing remains enjoyable and is not spoiled by those disregarding the rules. I closed the topic because;[quote]I see prison as a punishment, not as a place to act however you want still[/quote] [quote]Is Magic Duel Role play or play as someone else like you to play??[/quote]MagicDuel is a role play game, but as with any game, there are rules, I help to ensure those rules are followed, and punish those that break them, you broke them, and I am punishing you. [quote]Swearing.. am i guilty?? .. well NO i don't think so but yes i did say....[/quote]Contradicting yourself, right... The swearing part, there is no excuse for, you swore, i asked you not to swear, and then you swore again. Many people woke up at GoE after being at Twisted Souls, and yet none of them swore when they woke up, and you did. @Gg, i was not suggesting removing his account, or banning him, Moderator enforced, or whatever the phrase i used was, means that when the person posts, the post is invisible until a Mod approves the post, this would prevent him from posting inflamatory posts about me.

If I was put in Jail, or banned for whatever reason, then so long as I knew why it happened I'd take the punishment, and he knows why he was put there.[quote]now that i know that this .Girdo. and his ass lickers, thanx to shade they are still few, with mental issues are not around.[/quote] I see prison as a punishment, not as a place to act however you want still, his posts display he isnt trying to change. If he even made an indication he was trying to, or was, then I would be happy for him to post to his hearts content, but he doesn't. He is quite clearly posting offensive comments towards me, and trying to cause trouble.

We don't want to hear it, continue doing this and i'll enforce moderator preview on your posts / block you from posting. If a mod / admin disagrees with me doing this, i welcome them to talk to me about this, and why they think i'm wrong in saying to do this. Topic Closed

hehe, he's put in mp5's only now, that satisfies my flaw of it EDIT: yeah, thought of another, it's not true pain when you're getting a reward for it

what stops me from having an alt do it? and gain the reward? alt having only an aramor and Barron Soul

two words; TEAM BRIT

*laughs a little* done, it's correctly spelt now

site must have got fixed, closed

uhh, your account was banned? You sure? what were the account names? I ask because users on the same computer is allowed

I knew it was MRD's birthday, but YAY it's also Udgards!! Double celebrations!!!! Happy Birthday to the both of ya's

[quote]1st contest will be held most probably on Day 279[/quote] that's Wednesday, please read before posting

Pain; The condition or fact of suffering or anguish especially mental, as opposed to pleasure; torment; distress; sadness; grief; solicitude; disquietude. Using that definition of pain, I would like you to perform an action, or do something that would cause you pain. You must then tell me what that action is that you've done, and i will assess (with the help of others) who felt the most pain for the action.

Still awaiting reasoning on saying he'd died.....there are about 20 reasons for someone not being on the forum anymore, off the top of my head, not involving him dying...

revived due to another thread

I dont believe you actually said there why you said Adam was your friend and died in a car crash.... I truly hope you have turned over a new leaf, because those accounts that i banned, and i believe those accounts banned of yours were all my doing, had a good reason for doing so. I would be happy to assist in removing more of your accounts if they do anything wrong.

i banned you due to your name being Furatus del Fur, which is a blatant immitation of the name of the games creator Muratus del Mur

i was waiting on you to get back to me....

[quote]You are of course entitled to your opinion. I would like to know exactly what powers were removed. I know there was the teleportation to Golemus, which as king (regardless of being and RPC or not) it is understandable for Yrhilian to be able to revoke, but were there other powers taken away?[/quote] I had the Gate access removed, also sendtolighthouse spell, and key-gg_deep spell. [quote]Instead he has asked for the person that banished him to be bannished and all of his access be restored.[/quote] I mentioned nowhere that Yrth should be banished or exiled, I am asking for his access to be removed, he is still free to be there if he gets there through the lab, i felt this fair as when my position was removed, i lost the same. I also at no point asked for my access to be restored, though of course i would like that. [quote] I think if Yrth were exiled from GG it would be no better than what happened to you, except done in a more bitter fashion. I say even if he is dethroned he deserves a place in GG, as do you Grido. Perhaps you two don't see eye to eye, but if everyone thought and felt the same, well then life would just suck.[/quote]Again, no exile, or banishment words were used against him, i would however consider my exile over should Yrth be deposed. [quote]P.S. I don't think that anyone has the right to force Yrth to hand over his cube, it's his personal property...[/quote] Request has already been denied, no further talk about it is required. [quote]And eventually I left that alliance due to personal comflict with it's leadership, but with Grido, and not Yrth, regarding Lightsage's banning.[/quote] I don't believe that a circumstance that has nothing to do with the leadership of GG, in any way, should be brought into this. My clear statement regarding Lightsage, you did not like, that's fair, you're entitled to that, and you not liking me, that's also fair. But relating my talking about why Lightsage was banned to any sort of leadership skills i may or may not have isnt right. [quote]And the injury is magnified now with the festival being cancelled just to give y'all more attention.[/quote]What festival was cancelled? the festival of pain, was going to be a festival of pain long before any of this, and besides, it's not been cancelled. [quote]I would also like to point out after "informing Powerfull others" og what i was planning on doing with khals soul there was NO objection in fact there was laughter at the idea and what came accross an agreed that this was a good corse of action.[/quote]Whilst i knew something would happen with Khalazdad i knew no specifics, nor did i realise that he would use a deadline of an hour (one that Peace was impossible to manage) before doing this.

[quote]As to the meaning and definition of Kingship, I can only say that it would be generally agreed that a King is someone whose [b]ruling is cemented[/b], and not prone to changing like other positions based on the opinions of those he rules. As Mur has said (but the following are my own words), the King should be[b] stable[/b] and long-lasting. A kingship, unlike an Alliance leader, is far less dependent on the mutual trust shared by the ruler and the subjects, and rather on the [b]undeniable ability of the King to rule[/b]. Or at least, that is how it should be in my opinion.[/quote] I'm just asking, specifically to the bold bits, but you know, any bit, which bit describes the situation yrth is in? There is a large proportion of "his" people objecting to his rule, [s][b]ruling is cemented[/b][/s][b], [/b][s][b]stable[/b][/s], and there are complaints about his abilitie to rule as well, bad decisions etc. [s][b]undeniable ability of the King to rule[/b][/s] So...yeah, how is he a king again?[b] [/b]