Kriskah Arcanu

Burns, Kragel did not "KIND OF tricked people into believing that they were doing it for Krishka and the Market-thingy..." He said from the start he was going to be profiting. [b]He said it! [/b] Like I said before, he ask his profit remains private. Which I respected, and he gave the market its share [b]like he promess. [/b] The "privacy of his profit" it is not something I was completly convinced, we did had a conversation about this, but I decided to accepted his terms, so everything was set and agreed from the start. K His words: [quote]post Apr 27 2009, 08:21 PM Post #1 | The Metal Mage is going to get in on some of the fun ... We are going to have a slave auction to benefit the MD Market Fair! Here is how it works: if you would like to sign up, leave a message saying you want to be included. The final price of your sale in the market will be divided between myself and Kriskah, with a small portion going to the slaves to buy their freedom, if need be ...[/quote] So, just for the record, Kragel didn't tricked anybody into this auction. Not me, not you. K

[b]Personal hate list or something else:[/b] The idea is that the hate list page becomes officialy something else, like a diary or a place to tell a story. Let people decide a name for it: [url="http://magicduel.invisionzone.com//index.php?showtopic=3976&pid=31219&st=0&#entry31219"]http://magicduel.invisionzone.com//index.p...amp;#entry31219[/url]

I will close this topic. If Burns or anybody has any type of issues about the Market founds please PM. I have nothing to hide. K

It is my idea or the entire forum has become agresive these days...? Maybe we are all a bit stress out... Ok, just to announce a few things. * If quest creators need more funds for rewards please PM. * If there are items owners willing to make a deal, but do not want coins I have a few creatures too, please contact me. * Item donations are well received too but remember i am a trader, so at least let me make an offer * I will start an (item) and creature's auction market in a few weeks. This time in Loreroot. I will speak to the authorities and keep you posted. I hope God Mur would realese more items so they can be offered at Lore's market... *sighs* (Kriskah prays some times) K

When Kragel offer to help the market with the slavery auction he was very clear to me about the profit he will make. We discussed about transparency, I kind a predicted this is going to happen. Anyway, I respected his desicion, and accepted the deal. When the auction finished he send me the amount of coins you all know (I carry them all in my pockets), all of them will be used for the purpuses you allready know. The creatures I have are also public (since i dont have the space on my acc, some of them are on my alter), and they will be used in the market as well. (I hate to be carrying coins I am an item trader, but you all know it isn't easy to buy items not even with creatures offerings) K

I don't know the English tittles but these are some of the books I read and enjoyed: [b]El Druida del Cesar[/b] by Claude Cueni. [b]Los Reyes Malditos: El Rey de Hierro[/b], by Maurice Druon [b]El hombre que hablaba de Octavia de Cádiz[/b] by Bryce Echeñique [b]Cien años de soledad[/b] by Gabriel Garcia Marquez [b]La vida es sueño [/b]by Pedro Calderón de la Barca [b]Noches blancas[/b] by Fiódor Dostoievski As a teenager I enjoyed reading Science Fiction's authors like Robert Silverberg, Clifford D. Simak, Brian Aldiss, Isaac Asimov, Ray Bradbury, Arthur C. Clarke, L. Sprague de Camp, Arthur Conan Doyle, Franz Kafka. (No one of my age did so I was a bit "Science Fiction nerdy" kind of girl) K

Ok... then what happens now? I am new on this idea thingy... K

[quote name='Jester' post='31121' date='May 14 2009, 06:46 PM']I had a hate list that had a page or two of things I hate, and I've seen a few other people with long lists as well.[/quote] Besides Windy's list (which is one of many things she has on that page) and maybe two other players lists... I dont recall their names right now because I havent seen them in a long time, I haven't seen a list that could be really called a hate list. But ok, lets say 4 or 5 players on MD have a Hate List. Even if I they have 10, 15, 20 or even more things they hate. I trully don't see the necesity for all MD players to have a so called Hate List whitch just a very few really use. Any way, [b]my idea is to make this an open option, so each player can choose how to name this page[/b]. Evidently the alternative I am sugesting won't mean they will have to erase their hate lists. K

[quote name='Grido' post='31114' date='May 14 2009, 05:35 PM']''Those who can't hear the music, think the dancer is mad.'' is mine to be fair on myself the initially visible text is: Hate Hate is for those with darkness tainting their soul. I do not hate, for that tainting would destroy me. Think of what a better world it would be if we all the whole world had cookies and milk about 3 o'clock every afternoon and then lay down with our blankets for a nap. So the title is deceptive in having nothing hate related in it, whilst the content does[/quote] I only copy-pasted the tittle A few people, like Grido have something about hate, whitch is not really a list of people or things they hate. Some are deep thougts about hate, death or deceit, whitch is interesting too... but it is not a hate list. Other examples: 1) "Only Nothingness here in the Void Because Nothing is born of Hatred" 2) "HATE TRULY IS AN EVIL WORD. DO WE EMBRACE IT AND FOLLOW AN EVIL PATH OR REJECT IT AND FLOAT ALONG A CELESTIAL ONE..." These are all I could find today. Nobody else have anything about hate on my range. I do remember to have read at least two more thoughts long time ago. Anyway, there where nothing more then two or three sentences. The great mayority, I risk to say over 90%: 1) don't have a hate list at all, 2) they have it, but is empty, 3) they use it for something else.

Just to add a few proofs This is what I found only today, at Winds Sanctuary, The Dojo and The Gazebo. [b]Tittles and contents of the personal hate list page: [/b] An old green hardcover notebook Funny Things I Have Seen In Chat Part 1-“The Beginning” My Pics Personal Stats What Hate list Quest The balance My personal quest Hatred is a waste of Energy. DEATH~NOTE Necrovion my favourite land Wedding planning *work in progress* Those who can't hear the music, think the dancer is mad. Water water… My favourite Quotes Hate? What a Cruel Word Humanity My HH Myself!!! One of the most enjoyable aspects of MD for me is solving puzzles… Archievements List [b]And one who does use it:[/b] Sir Blut Very hard to trade with - pretends not to physically be able to.

I have clicked many personal hate lists since I started playing the game. I must say (almost) nobody uses it for what it is. If somebody does it is only to put like a smal sentence... saying: I hate authoritarism, chat spam, and people without personal papers. No body use it...So... what is the point? My idea is that the hate page becomes officialy something else, like a diary or a show off for wining battles or a place to tell a story... I don't know...something else. Maybe to give the player the choice to select a different title and use for that page will be challenging. Regards, K pd. Should we vote? I am sure many people thinks the same

hmmm... I come to think 99% of the ideas posted are up to Mur consideration... Most of them out of my reach. So I'll just keep doing what I've done so far on MD. K

You had permission from the artists to submit their art as your own? As I recall you wanted to open a market of avatars too. Did you had their permission to do so too? I appologize. I dont want to attak who is already down, it is not my intention to do so, but I believe these are valid questions. K

I found this a long time ago but since i wasnt sure about Fenrir gender... "Druid sketch" by Rachel Kremer [url="http://images.google.com.mx/imgres?imgurl=http://www.elfwood.com/art/r/a/rachelkremer/druid_sketch.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.elfwood.com/~rachelkremer/Druid_sketch.3140297.html&usg=__qDgoqQZ22ikWGbSS9zaxFUGYPWc=&h=916&w=600&sz=93&hl=es&start=9&tbnid=vA3iOMlrS8TdmM:&tbnh=147&tbnw=96&prev=/images%3Fq%3Ddruid%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Des%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:es-ES:official%26sa%3DG"]http://images.google.com.mx/imgres?imgurl=...ficial%26sa%3DG[/url]

When I started with this whole idea of a marketplace for MD, it was mostly a new RP activity to be included on the game, that’s it. It was a simple project. When people gain interest in the marketplace, this matter gain so much complexity so it is quite hard to keep track of all the ideas an argumentations about currency, item creation and their properties. It is good in terms of debate, I am not complaining I truly enjoy this discussion and I hope Mur find it interesting too, but again, since there is no agreement, the debate increases the difficult for the market implementation. For now I’ll invite you, like I did before to symbolically establish just a few parameters for the trading so we can actually have an item’s marketplace on MD. Items, for now, (since they have no properties added yet) have only the value we want to give them, apparently silver coins too (since they are worthless to some people) so it can be done. Again, as a merchan I deffinitly won't pay for over-priced items, if they are so expensive I will asume they are very important for the character roll, so they better stay where they are. So i won't pay 20 MDS for an item. Equilibrium of wealth is also needed, nevertheless I won't be asking collecters to stop collecting. I think that is not my roll. I will just keep promoting the spread of the MDS so everyone can buy items on the MD's Market, even if they are new to the game.

[quote name='awiiya' post='30618' date='May 8 2009, 02:02 PM']Oh, I like the idea of getting bronze, but I think it might push the game TOO much towards a currency. There is a reason why heat is not being used as currency, it is far too easy to get. And as for the value of silver and gold, I myself will never accept silver OR gold for anything I have to sell. The instability of it is too great. Who is to stop everyone from deciding that it is useless, and then I will be stuck with useless silver. Awi[/quote] Well then the question might be: [b]What can be done to have a more stable currency?[/b] From what I have read on this thread I believe some mesures seam to be needed for people to gain more confidence on this type of currency: do you believe bronze is the solution? Unfortunatly it is not in my power to solve this situation. I can only encourage the debate (hopely on a respectfull eviroment) so we can agree at least in a few points and maneage to advance in one direction, not just bumping into each other argumentations. I agree, the value of MDS has been cuestionable several times with strong arguments. Also the idea of selling items (any type) has generated a debate. Nevertheless recently we had an item's auction, paralel from the slavery auction. And items where sold for MDS. So I wont underestimate the capacity form people to accept this symbolic currency as an trading instrument. K

Sorry... what was your point again?... silver coins are worthless, everybody can get a quest reward in every corner... I should concentrate on creating items... ok got it, thank you so much, that was very helpfull.

I used the Yellow herbs (medicinal herbs) on a Quest (the first one I made), it was important to me. Then I sold them. The same will hapen with the flask, which I will sell when my upcomming Quest is over. I understand Rol related items, believe me I know they are priceless. I was talking about commun items whitch I am afraid they migh become collected too. Like I said before. I don't disagree with item's collectors. What I do not endorse is when these items are kept from others for no reason. Items should be used. Please, do not use personal recriminations to make your point more valuable, I really don't apreciate that aproach on a public debate. K

Would somebody please PM a sumarized translation (with simpler words) of what Lifeline just said? I've read it twice and I still don´t get the complete idea We can go on and on over this "currency" discussion, but please don't desestimate the value of a market place for MD just because of its difficulties. It a huge task to recreate an economy, but I am gonna try anyways because is it fun. It will bring other type of interaccions possibilities inside the realm and I belive many people will enjoy it. So don't destroy this just because it sound weird and unrealistic, since it is entirily up to us to make this work. K

I really cannot predict what will happen. All i can say is: If only a few players trade, they naturally will become item's collectors, then items will be priceless. Maybe newplayers will start winning a few coins in Quests, and maybe in a month they will have 3 or 4 MDS, but if they see items over-priced they wont participate on the economy, that's it.

[quote name='Udgard' post='30526' date='May 7 2009, 12:20 PM']Hmm.. it's probably hard to do that.. For some items, I would not pay 20 coins, but for others I might consider that amount ridiculously undervaluing the item. It would all again return to how a person values the item and the coin..[/quote] I see your point Udgard. But...Hmm How do I put this? We need to be fair and balanced so this "economic experiment" help us build a market accesible to everyone. If we fail, we will have a 6-8 people trading with big amounts of gold coins and the rest of the MD comuntity just totally outside the economic system.

[b]Inflation[/b] I think we should take some measures to avoid inflation. I am no expert but I think we should put a limit on item's values so the don't turn over-priced. I cannot determine an amount but if somebody asks 20 MDS for an item, I believe we should not pay that quantity. An equilibrium of wealth is also needed, for that I am promoting the spread of the MDS. I also suggest to avoid excesive item's collections (6 items= excesive), that way items can spread too and don't become priceless exentricities. [b]Gold coins[/b] I have asked some people about the value of a MDG. Could we agree to set this value on 15 MDS? Regards, K

[quote name='(Zl-eye-f)-nea' post='30431' date='May 6 2009, 05:59 AM']I belive that the value of the silver coin actually does have an impact here- as Kragel says. I don't like the idea, not just for the reason of money spent, value, and all that, but in the main also because this is going to make people want to "cash in" their silver coins rather than use them as an in game currency for in game things. It becomes more like a way to give out free credits to people than a way for people to use an in game currency for in game items etc. Z[/quote] I agree, MDS should be use only inside the game, that way their value and legitimacy as a regular currency will be in our hands. I believe that will be far more fun and interesting. K

Quest´s Creators participating in the project: [b]Ailith[/b] (5MDS), [b]Raven[/b] (6MDS) [b]Stormrunner[/b] (5MDS), [b]Peace[/b] (5MDS). Thank you for your support. Quote Guy: "I have seen few, very very very few [b]MP3s who have anything in their inventory at all. Even assuming they are willing to pay for paper help (which is an idea I don't like) most CAN'T.[/b] You have few coins, very few coins. And no, the fact that an RPC is giving silver coins for solving a QUEST, and ONE PERSON is paying for stories (something that actually has some value, unlike a imaginary surgery or elixer) does not mean that [b]MOST players are willing to give their coins in purely RP interactions.[/b]" The main idea discussed on the meeting was about using funds to help spread MDS. I believe to bring economy to life we need to build some sort of equilibrium in terms of wealth first. We shouldn't have auctions where most of the items are bought by two or three people. [b]Never in our meeting we mentioned mp3 on any newplayer having to pay for help on their personal papers.[/b] What we said was that editing could be considered a type of salaried job. But like I have said before, the salaried jobs has to be evaluated a bit more, we dont want people charging for helping others. That is why I am only giving funds to quest and festival rewards (for now). K

The public funds will be divided into: People with Quests so they may give coins as rewards. People giving jobs (this has to be discussed a bit more first) Rewards during events (Like the Festival) buying items specific market related funds (services: like publicing, auctioners, etc) Many other discussions about item creation, and their propeties should continue, but for now we need to create an economy first (we need money and items flowing). Only then, these type of isuess will have a real efect on everyone. So for now we have to continue giving ideas but also to put them in practice. I will soon contact you and start giving the Subsidy. K