Valldore Nal

[quote name='Shadowseeker' timestamp='1355558783' post='128253'] I've requested such a list somewhere else, but it got buried by no response, and I am in no mood to keep pushing for things atm/code it myself. Bugs said it could be done as a coder project, but with my bachelor thesis in work right now, I just have no mood for that. [/quote] Yes, i'm familiar with your other post regarding citizens lists. Well, if the only way to get such a list (including loyalty scores ) is through db (the only ppl i can think of having access to it would be council, mur, bugs and rendril), we will have to wait until a feature is implemented for showing that.

[quote name='DARK DEMON' timestamp='1355556749' post='128247'] [font=comic sans ms,cursive][color=#006400]Loreroot has formed a list of current citizens. If each land can do the same and/or appoint someone as censor...[/color][/font] [/quote] Appoint someone as censor ? Would you mind explaining ? What i had in mind about that data was to do some calculations over how much each person possibly affects a vote and then each land could judge the possibility of a vote to succeed or fail based on their knowledge of who is active and who is not. Using the data to get some results doesn't need any censor, and after that its each lands responsibility to find a solution to a possible problem that may exist.

In order to manage that, a list with all current citizens of each land is needed, who were considered inactive or active at any given vote and preferably either who voted what and who abstained or at least the total loyalty numbers for each choice . And personally, i have no idea where or how to find such data.

I would prefer sunday as well. Time is not much of an issue for me

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Happy Birthday !

I totally agree with Chewett on this one. Even if you have the feeling that this change was unjust or offensive, your position does not allow you to grand WP just because you don't like something and you want it changed. (at least that's the way i see the position of TK leader, your position is not to be used to correct what you perceive wrong and unjust. If Fang wants to correct something wrong and unjust, do it as Fang, not as the TK leader ) And as far as it concerns the subtitle, i do find it offensive towards LotE in general and Liberty (when i first saw the post i would have said that the first name was against the rule as well, but i didn't know the history of that so since it was done during an event and by Mur i no longer see anything wrong with the previous subtitle) . Also, as the rule states , an action like that should be penalised as well. So if people doesn't like the rule, petition for it to change. But as long as it stands, it should be enforced. P.S. Until the time this post was made, no clarification about the reasoning of that change was made. If there is one that stands and is not offensive either to LotE in general or Liberty, it may still be seen as offensive in my personal opinion, but the accusation of braking a rule may not stand anymore.

[quote name='purplebunny' timestamp='1353499769' post='125929'] we're not alternative accounts! We're two seperate people. [/quote] It's not a matter of whether you are 2 separate people or not. It's how the system recognizes your 2 accounts. You will be able to see it for yourself soon, if the system recognizes you as "alternate" accounts , there will be some restriction regarding the interaction those 2 accounts will be able to have. For more information regarding the restrictions and game rules in general there is a link on the top of the screen while logged in. Also for any questions regarding the rules (and everything else as well ) there is a button above the compass on the right side of the screen that says "Live Help", you can contact the LHO (Live Help Operator) currently online through there. Let me welcome you to the realm as well

While taking a look at the formula for calculating the success of a vote , it came to my attention that with the current one the negative votes carry more weight than the positive ones. The current formula is the following [spoiler] Total = Total landscore Pos = Positive votes Neg = Negative votes Abs = Abstain Null= those who didn't vote anything p= percentage needed Formula P * (Total - Abs) <= Pos - Neg <=> p * Total - p*Abs <= Pos - Neg (1) But : Total = Pos + Neg + Abs + Null (2) So from (1) and (2) <=> p * Pos + p * Neg + p * Abs + p * Null - p * Abs <= Pos - Neg <=> p * Pos + p * Neg + p * Null <= Pos - Neg <=> 0<= Pos - Neg - p * Pos - p * Neg - p * Null <=> 0<= (1 - p ) * Pos - (1 + p) * Neg - p * Null As you can see, the weight of Negative voting is greater than the weight of Positive votes and for bigger p the difference increases (for a p=0,5 (50%) the value of negative votes is 3 times more than the value of the positive ones) I was trying to think of another formula that could solve this in order each ones landscore would be valued as equally as possible. So here is the best i could come up with : p * (Total - Abs + Neg ) <= Pos <=> p * Total - p * Abs + p * Neg <= Pos <=> (2) p * Pos + p * Neg + p * Abs + p * Null - p * Abs + p * Neg <= Pos <=> p * Pos + 2p * Neg + p * Null <= Pos <=> 0<= Pos - p * Pos - 2p * Neg - p * Null<=> 0<= (1 - p) * Pos - 2p * Neg - p * Null For values of p near 0,33 (33%) the weight of each vote is close to equal resulting in each landscore carrying the same value no matter what the player chose to vote for (or almost the same, p can and should be adjusted according to other factors,ones that prob i'm not aware off ) [/spoiler] I've made this post first to confirm that i haven't done something wrong in either math or logic and hear other people's opinion on the subject. So please , feel free to comment anything regarding it P.S to Mods : I wasn't sure where to make the post, if you feel that there is a better place for it , feel free to move it to a more appropriate place.

A couple more questions : [b]Valldore Nal:[/b] Yes, but in order to define if a vote was successful or not, the sum of land loyalty of those who voted in favor of the vote has to reach the percentage of the land score ? [b]Crash Test Dummy:[/b] (PEERCENTAGE NEEDED ) * (TOTAL ACTIVE LANDSCORE - LANDSCORE OF THOSE ABSTAINING) <= (POSITIVE LANDSCORE - NEGATIVE LANDSCORE) [b]Crash Test Dummy:[/b] which means, if total landscore minus abstaining landscore multiplied with the percentage needed for the vote is less than postive - negative, you win the vote [b]Crash Test Dummy:[/b] you have three voting options, positive, negative abstain [b]Crash Test Dummy:[/b] by not voting, you say you dont care, and thats a point against the person who made the vote ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ [b]Valldore Nal:[/b] Can others initiate a vote for us ? (only for the joining a land purpose , unfortunately i can't check it myself ) [b]Crash Test Dummy:[/b] no [b]Crash Test Dummy:[/b] you must initiate a vote to join a land yourself

Thank you for a great quest lashtal Mine was submission 3 (sorry Amber, you just make such a great curse target, you know )

Technically even when not asked, since i never addressed the question directly to an Lho

I'll have to say that after i did exactly the same as you said (explored the links and in the end lost the personal page myself as well by accident, not choice) when i was about 1 week old, a simple question in goe gave me the answer and it was indeed an lho that provided

Or maybe a response for his death immunity comment. Not sure if other people in the past commented something like that as well , based on their in game role .

Happy Birthday Maebius !

Thank you darkraptror for introducing such a *cough* lovely old lady to the realm I'll pick the number 10

Count me as a supporter of this effort, i will help in anyway i can

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Happy birthday

He is just leaking ...........